What is the bedrock of western civilization?

>>2026386
Greeks and Jesus

>>2026388
add romans, germanics, and jews

>>2026393
>Jews

If you mean the vine that grows through the blocks of the street than yes. Fuck jews.

Christianity.

Western Culture stops where Islam begins, with a "gradient" for Orthodox countries. Even intra-Euro racism is historically Catholic vs Protestant.

Try to deny this, but you can't

>>2026386
An individual relationship with existence.

>t. Joseph Campbell

>>2026386
classical antiquity, europeans were and always will be fucking gay. people are a lot more open about it now

Nothing. There is no bedrock to any civilization. It's a network of interconnected things giving it a sense of cohesion, like a cluster of annelid worms.

>>2026398
Sure, but the Church is dead in Europe and neutered for over 200 years. Nobody identifies via their beliefs.
So I'd say common culture and common values are far more important, at least for Europe.

>>2026386
"Western civilization" is an evil idea created by luciferian secularists to displace the concept of Christemdom in people's minds.

>>2026789
>luciferian secularists
>luciferian
>secular
I dont think you understand what either of those words mean.

>>2026398
Nah

>>2026393
Romans as the mind and Germanic tribes as their thugs and blood hounds.

>>2026398
>Even intra-Euro racism is historically Catholic vs Protestant.
I don't think you understand what racism means

>>2026386

memes.

Grecco-Roman
Judeo-Christian
Germanic Europe
Medieval Europe
Reinessance
Enlightenment
Existentialism*
Post-Structuralism*

*the war on Western Civ. These individuals believe that since we cannot accurately describe a house, we must burn it to the ground.

>>2026386

Anal sex.

>>2027554
Basically, from the Mystery Schools to the Greeks to the Masons to the World Elite. We are ruled by degree 9 Luciferian initiates

Socrates.

He is the originator of the basic western value: if you don't want to do something, and someone says you have to or they will kill you, you can always just let them kill you. Fuck them.

Jesus also held to this value, though it means less if you believe you are going to heaven after.

>>2026386

There are many factors, mostly revolving around economic growth and organised but liberal forms of government.

>>2026398
It would be quite naive to believe Christianity is the bedrock. I would sound plausible if you said the opposite and Christianity slowed down human progress in the west, the dark ages, superstitions, absolute catholic control and so on, but would probably be wrong and we'd be in the same position regardless of which religion gained prominence in Europe.

>>2026739
I would like to disagree. Thousands of years ago there were many different independent civilisations that were more or less similar in economic terms. A few hundred years ago, wages in western societies started to steadily increase in a higher rate than other economies like China or Persia, and didn't change until only a few decades ago in China, Japan, etc. Now, you can't simply say this is because of chance, becase there are a multitude factors what made this possible, such as new sources of energy, technological innovation, liberal free-market societies, accumulation and investment of capital that governments encouraged, and so on. Some might argue the importance of cultural and religious factors but the evidence is weak as the west was much behind for many centuries when China and nearby Persia was flourishing, probably not because of cultural or religious factors either.

>>2027586
Haha

Greco-Roman philosophy
Abrahamic religion
Germanic tradition

>>2026386
The Greeks.

>Christianity
Western Christianity is, and always has been, just been Diet-Platonism.

>>2026396

t. /new/ circa 2008

>>2026386
The Romans more so then anything else.

Christianity, the Catholic Church

Everything else stems from these two

Like the sciences,natural rights, university system
Freedom

>>2026386

How The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization - Tom Woods

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDj5nM0KbdUTEpoka1oyAR8BtHfIiVJm

The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization | Duke Pesta and Stefan Molyneux

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x-eUnj1ATMc

>>2026386
There is no bedrock. It's all shifting sand.

>>2028487
The church is the best representative institution of Western civilization, but it does no favors to ignore the ideals and philosophical modes behind the church's intellectual strucutre and influences. These influences ultimately come down to greek thought, Christian scripture, and Germanic/Celtic culture (culminated in Augustine and Aquinas). The addition of Germanic culture to the western bedrock is what differentiates the west from Greek orthodox civilization, which exhibits similar foundations but with greek culture a major contributor instead.

A shitty Germanic imitation of the Roman civilization. Mentioning Greeks is ridiculous, the West barely has anything to do with them.

Certainly not Christianity, regardless of what autistic LARPers may tell you here

>>2028519
That's stupid. The influence of Hellenic thought and culture is spread wide through Europe and almost to China. It has colored most philosophy that came out of Europe and the near east for ages. Augustine is well known because he transformed western Christianity into a Greco-Abrahamic intellectual hybrid. This form of christianity greatly impacted the west's devolpment. It may have been several steps removed, but the influence of Greek thought is integral to the west's understanding of the world and itself.

>>2026386
The patronus - cliens bond.

The Greeks and Romans.

Without them Christianity wouldn't even exist as we know it, it would basically just be Judaism and probably be dead by now.

>>2026386
Greeks & Romans in terms of government, law and rationalistic thought.

Christianity in terms of social and cultural stuff.

>>2026735
That's why the true Hebrews will always lord it over them.

>>2026386
Dank memes

>>2026386
Greek philosophy and science, Roman laws, state and imperialism, Germanic spirit

Christianity was but a flag

>>2026386
Holy Scripture, not the Roman Pagan Church

>>2026386
the laughable attempts to revive the Roman empire

Christianity

All of our beliefs and morals are from it

>>2026386
Is Russia part of western civilization?

>>2029363
I bet you think the "cardinal virtues" came form the college of cardinals as well.

>>2026386
Race. Obviously.

>>2028498
>>2028487
Papistry is satanic

Explain to me how christianity isn't the base of all western civilization

>>2029510
Meant for>>2029438

Western civilization emerged around 800 AD and eventually evolved into the modern globalized world. It hasn't had one 'bedrock' throughout all those centuries. Initially it grew around Latin/Catholic Christendom as opposed to Eastern/Orthodox Christendom and Islam. Later on in the middle ages it came to have far more distinctive characteristics like a common literary culture, laws, political systems, and stuff like that, so that by the time of the Reformation when Christianity no longer united the West, it remained a distinctive civilization tied together and separated from others by a plethora of commonalities. There's no 'bedrock' at this point, it's just a jumble of shared political, philosophical, social and ideological institutions and ideas. There's no one factor you could remove from a culture to make it not Western anymore.

This has no real relevance today, because Western civilization's ideas and institutions now dominate throughout the world except for parts of the Islamic world. The world can't be divided into 'civilizations' anymore. When we talk about 'the West' today, we're really just talking about the West's former core region.

>>2027570
Mystery Schools=Dick in the dirt African witchcraft

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>>2027570
B-Bill Cooper?

>>2029555
>mystery religions
>pantheist

>>2026386
Tribal warring over resources, hunting territories, and farmland.

This is the bedrock of all civilization

>>2026751
>common culture and common values
Replace "common" with "christian", or even better, "catholic' and you're now a far right French nationalist party.

>>2027429
Do you understand what race means? There's a strong division in the west between catholic/protestant/orthodox countries, but within those countries, mostly mutual respect. Even when Italy/France or England/Germany are going to war, it's a respectful war, while when you get two factions of Christianity going at it, it turns into a genocidal rape fest.

>>2027687
Christianity provided a common cultural language throughout Europe, as is evident by common Christian motifs appearing in artwork throughout Europe, as well as a basis for the crusades, and maintained a sense of trans-european identity through pilgrimages which were common during the middle ages.

Look at a map of "Europe", ever noticed how it stops at Morocco and Turkey? It's not because these countries don't have a culture going back to antiquity, or weren't inspired by the Greeks and Romans, or that they didn't make contributions to European math and philosophy (I mean, the vedic numerals we use were passed onto Europe through the Arabs), or even that we weren't in trade with them for thousands of years, or that they weren't major historical players in much of European history. Spanish, a European country and language, has as much in common with Arabic as Greek or Latin, and has a ton of cities named in Arabic, but because it's Catholic they're one of us.

The map of Europe literally stops where Christianity stops being the dominant religion.

>>2026386
Everything that happened up until the year 1900.

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>>2030866
Saying the Greeks were the bedrock of Western civilization is just "we wuz" at it's finest. Greek civilization has affected literally every culture bordering the Mediterranean, as did Roman culture, and then some going on into Asia, and was itself descended from the Egyptians. So why draw the line on one half of the Mediterranean? Surely nothing to do with the fact that it's the Christian half, right?

>>2029560
Same satanic spirit.

>>2026386
i dunno but you're mom is the bed

>>2030881
Christianity itself is a product of the Greeks.

Islam replaced all the Greek influence in North Africa & West Asia.

>>2030866
Is Ethiopia European?
It was Christian when most of Europe was still pagan.
How about most of Africa and Latin America?

>>2031274
>Is Ethiopia European?
>It was Christian when most of Europe was still pagan.
>How about most of Africa and Latin America?
Ethiopia doesn't border the Mediterranean though, does it? And South America is western civilization. Just because they aren't involved in the various power struggles of "the West" doesn't mean they aren't distinctly western countries.

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>>2026386
Christ

>>2026386
Start with the Greeks!

>>2029521
When you borrow heavily from the philosophical ideas of Plato and Aristotle, or the organizational structure of Rome, your borrowing heavily from a western tradition that's already in existence.

Saying Christianity founded the west is something dibshits like Candida Moss would say. It's like saying Christianity created alcohol or the hospital system; you're giving full credit to a particular organization for political expediency in the present, when in actuality they just made large improvements or advanced something that was already founded.

The concept of "logos" was already widely used in Greek philosophy before the Christians reapplied it to Jesus.

Pedophilia

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roman law
greek philosophy
christianity

>>2031545
Why isn't Ireland in your pic, they helped the British empire many times by consistently sending their young, unemployed drunks to act as cannon fodder and protective shields for the actual British soldiers?

Also their whole "independent country" thing is a sham. They left the UK right before the idea of western nation-states became irrelevant. All white countries need to start acting as if we're all the same civilization/confederacy/nation, in order to counter the endless hordes of Africa and Asia coming here.

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>>2031562
agreed ,we can divine white people when while people will be the only race left on a planet
are you an Irish ?

Secularism, multi-multiculturalism and liberalism.

The opportunity for gays to marry, people with gender dysphoria to change their gender with science, women being able to soldier and defend their country, people being happy and living their life no matter who they are or what they believe.