Seriously, why are these two men so beloved?

>>2019826
Handsomeness is literally the only factor

>>2019826
because before them the country was an american puppet run by hopelessly corrupt hacks

>>2019833
Better than what it became

They're not....

>>2019833

Then they became Soviet puppets, ran by hopelessly corrupt hacks.

>>2019826
resisted U.S. imperialism

I really cannot fathom why two mass murderers, that abused human rights and stole from the people of Cuba are treated with kid gloves by "men" like Trudeau

People just want a romantic story of a revolution for the people

>>2019840
>ussr
>[COLAPSE]

>>2019826
Lmao they literally look like ISIS guys

>>2019826
because women want to fuck them

and leftists, when they commit evil, are seen as just well intentioned people who made mistakes.

>>2019838
how so?

>>2019831
>>2019840
/thread

>>2019826
Chez and Castro both basically attempted to act for the good of the people, Chez especially, kantian ethics often triumph in matters of public opinion unless the failure to achieve the desird goal is large, as such Chez and Castro are considered at least neutral, and stuff like the Bay of pigs invasion and the embargo didn't really help drive down public opinion, in effect through the amount of sanctions and generally shitty behaviour of the US towards Cuba justifies to move away from american style systems of governance in Cuba to some people.

>>2019885
Che and Castro were white tho

>>2019888
Well it had potential, then Castro severed Cuba off from the western world, became a soviet puppet and generally stagnated the country while removing human rights. Batista was shit but Castro was a new level

Forced abortions
No freedom of religion
No freedom of sexuality
Stole all businesss and farms from the people and made them government property
Sent criminals en mass to Florida
Shit health care, shit schools, shit infrastructure

>>2019871
>People just want a romantic story of a revolution for the people
this 100% basically

most people think like a child. for them Fidel was an ebin freedom fighter who was a Good Guy.

>>2019885
Che was pretty much the commie version of ISIS
the guy wanted to ban "Imperialist Music" for fucks sake

>>2019903
The thing is that none of that would have happened without Castro. He isn't absolved and justified for his enemy's rtaliation

>>2019831
>two neckbeard beaner fuggos
>handsome

>>2019916
In the end, is making shitty American pop music illegal a bad thing really?

>>2019908
>No freedom of sexuality
Fidel claimed that he doesn't hold any prejudices against gay people personally, and that sexual opression after the Revolution springed from older mindsets of the military. I'm don't know whether I believe him tho.

>Stole all businesses and farms from the people and made them government property
Well, yeah, that's what happens when you quit capitalism. Private property is a deeply engrained spook, not a human right. (Not saying that I don't enjoy private property myself, just saying it's not a universal given)

>Sent criminals en masse to Florida
So he fucked Cuba by kicking shit people out of Cuba? Huh.

>Shit health care, shit schools
Nope.

I'll give you the rest, but that only makes him about par for the course as far as Latin American regimes go, and at least he had guts, dignity, and good banter. The rest of the continent is full of spineless shills.

>>2019921
>The US wouldn't have ruined Cuba if Castro would've just played along and rolled over
This is not how ethics work.
Cuba would be just as poor if he hadn't taken a stand, just in a fashionable, neo-liberal, slavist state way. Like the rest of the third world.

>>2019936
Yes.

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>>2019826
>tfw Che's family thinks of him as a failure and disappointment

>>2019982
Castro's sister thought Castro was full of shit too.

>>2019826
Commie shilling.

>>2019960
There have been reports about the state of the average hospital in Cuba. Filthy floors, crumbling walls and lack of running water and toiletry systems. While their health care system is great the actual health care is trash.,
There is no evidence to suggest that Cuba schools are good. Once again they have a great system for schooling but the schools are left in the dark.

They do give an impression that they have great medical schools because of how man expats are doctors. The kicker is that Cuba itself has a medical personal shortage. The government sends all their experts out of state to work on programs in other countries. The doctors are actually employed by Cuba and are paid by Cuba, receiving a very minor amount after the foreign government or institution pays for the lease on the doctor

Well that about the criminals it was just a statement against his morality

>>2019826
They resisted imperialism and colonialism. Say what you want about their personal lives but they really did a lot for Africa. There's a reason why Nelson Mandela and Fidel Castro were friends. There's a reason why many heads of state within Africa mourned the death of Fidel Castro.

No matter how much neocons and neoliberals try to piss on their images, they can't hide the fact that they stood up to the United States of America.

>>2019908
>No freedom of religion
He let the Pope come and entertain the Catholics, no? He just didn't run Cuba in a manner that evangelical Americans like.

>No freedom of sexuality
>Same sex sex has been legal since 1979, homosexual soldiering legal since 1993
Pick one

>Nationalization of businesses
Well, that's kind of how a communist revolution works, numbnuts.

>Deported criminals to Florida
Wait a moment, is that not what Doanld Tramp wants to do to criminal immigrants? Deport them? Golly, that really changes the perspective.

>Shit healthcare
No
>Shit schools
No

>Shit infrastructure
I'll give you that one

>>2019991
Facts have a left bias. Suck it up :^)

>>2019826
Good PR. It's hard to fight the admiration for monsters with good press. It's like a really strong addiction. It's not like the liberation of Cuba would reveal any spectacular findings. Their crimes is pretty well recorded. As for the admiration from celebrities and politicians it's a mix of ignorance and maybe some degree of legitimate evil. They would absolutely like Hitler and Bin Laden too but they were successfully demonized.

>>2019931

You would have to be a woman to understand.
they arent different from the men northern european women fuck when they go on vacations to Spain, Italy or Greece.

handsomeness + feeds normie's craving for feeling anti-establishment

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>>2019826
They're the last violent revolutionaries

>>2019936
I think most Classical music except for composers like Prokofiev and Khachaturian would be considered "imperialist" too.

>>2019826

Because liberalism is both a mental disorder and a death cult.

>>2019989
Castro's daughter hates him and she defected to Florida.

>>2019826
Turned Cuba from your average impoverished authoritarian banana republic into a better-than-average authoritarian banana republic

>>2019838
Not in terms of quality of life, average income, healthcare, education, or life expectancy.

Batista's Cuba was probably more socially libertarian but still a repressive dictatorship in which dissenters were regularly arrested and shot.

Batista, in seven years, killed half as many people as Castro did in the entirety of his rule after the revolution.

>>2020175
Source?

>>2020368
I don't have a source. I was guessing that since most of the other composers lived in Imperialist nations they would be banned as well.

>>2020016

Facts are kryptonite to the left.

>>2020000
Oh, I know the infrastructure is trash, that's why I excluded it from my post. The advancements in medicine and schooling have been great whatever way you want to put it, tho; shit was truly dire under Batista.

And y'know, you say the healthcare is bad, but I don't buy it. If it was bad people would die, and as it stands they have a better life expectancy than any other country in the continent.

>>2020037
Maybe women are idiots

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>>2020016
Okay, let's talk about facts.

Castro persecuted gay people, persecuted dissident artists, banned non-state media and instituted a state-run council to control any artistic expression.

Castro also seized all commercial property, from the largest landowners down to the village shopkeeper, and ended up driving anyone with education or money out of the country, which needless to say caused huge economic problems. He used slave labour, forcibly conscripting "idle" men aged 15-26 into work battalions. His 'Cuban socialist paradise' was basically a sham, one giant Potemkin village, propped up by the Soviet Union for propaganda purposes.

When the USSR fell apart in the early 90s it caused the wholesale collapse of Cuba's economy, and it turned out that even after thirty years in power to organise Cuba's economy on ideal socialist principals, Castro still couldn't provide for his people. His economic policies led only to rampant poverty and malnutrition, and forced many Cuban women to turn to prostitution.

Castro executed hundreds of innocent people during the revolution, and while he was in power imprisoned any critics or protesters.

He was also a warmonger sending arms, money, and the Cuban troops all over the world trying to overthrow governments (which was particularly hypocritical given his opinions on the CIA). He was also a racist, in that he supported the aggressive fascist junta in Argentina during the Falklands conflict - when by all logic they should be his mortal enemy - simply because they were fellow Latinos.

Oh, and he almost caused an apocalypse. While Kruschchev and Kennedy were desperately trying to find a way out of the Cuban Missile crisis, Castro was pushing Kruschchev to nuke the US.

But free healthcare, right?

Praising Castro for introducing free education and healthcare is like praising Hitler for introducing fairer working hours and paid vacations for German workers. It's factually true, but with some rather important omissions.

>>2020464
they are

Because truth can be made into a lie.

>>2020557
>Castro persecuted gay people, persecuted dissident artists, banned non-state media and instituted a state-run council to control any artistic expression.
That sounds like the USA

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>>2020624

>>2020624
You seem to be lost. The website you want is "Reddit."

stockholm syndrome probably, been to Cuba on vacation and mostly everyone there seemed to have positive opinions on them In Havana there are statues and murals and paintings of them everywhere

>>2019908
>Castro severed Cuba off from the western world, became a soviet puppet and generally stagnated the country
as if america was going to ever let them do otherwise after deposing their guy Batista

>>2020557
>Castro persecuted gay people
cuba is, for latin/south america, pretty tollorent of the lgbt community, and while not perfect its made major strides since the 60s and 70s

homosexuality is even normalized in cuban sex ed and has been sice the 80s(someting the US cant even claim)

also cuban health care includes free transgender health care

castro also publicly apologized for mistreatment of gays and took personal blame for it

its absurd to criticize cuba for hmophobia when it was in many aspects better than its neighbors and by other aspects no worse than the rest of the world was in the 60s-80's

>>2021515
>by other aspects no worse than the rest of the world was in the 60s-80's
I didn't know gays were sent to concentration camps in 1980s America.

>>2020693
You'll hear a lot of negative stuff now that he's dead but you wouldn't have heard much while alive.

>>2019931
>Guevara
>beaner
fuck off retard

>>2021515
it´s true Fidel made gay purges, there´s even a movie about that period (Fresa y chocolate)
Things changed when Raul got to power because his daughter is a butch dyke

>>2019826

because the liberal media has finally shown its truw face on 2016, stupid, uncool, bitter and worst of all, completely wrong or only partially right but going south.

>>2019826
>Cuba was basically owned by the mob
>lol better than dirty commies

butthurt Cuban-American detected

>>2019908
>Sent criminals en mass to Florida
>tfw Trump is the Castro of America
>tfw America is Cuba's Mexico

>>2019871

> People just want a romantic story of a revolution for the people

Then why aren't they creaming their panties over George Washington?

> bucked the most powerful empire in the world

> founded the country that would become central on the world stage

>>2019826
They aren't. I've literally never heard anyone praise Castro in my whole life, and same for Che. Maybe a few college kids still have Che posters, but I feel like that's more of a meme at this point than a reality.

>>2019826
As for outside the US, well, communist Cuba helped a lot of little countries with money and wars. And also probably inspired a lot of people, simply because of this: when you're in some resistance movement fighting against a real butcher-tier dictator in the jungle, the crimes of Castro/Guevera are, relatively speaking, minor.

Because they killed the propertied classes and gave their shit to people who had nothing.

>>2023476
>propertied classes
this is the problem with communists: they always need to divide people into classes. And then they're forced to pretend to themselves that some guy who owns the general store in some rural village deserved to have his store taken and his family shot because he was a member of the oppressive elite.

Castro took everything away from everyone, and kept it all for himself and his cronies. Do you honestly think that the government and the bureaucrats didn't live a hell of a lot better than the common worker?

>>2020624
>persecuted gay people, persecuted dissident artists, banned non-state media and instituted a state-run council to control any artistic expression.

When has literally any of this happened in the last few decades?

>>2023180
I may be wrong, but wouldn't it make more sense to compare Justin Trudeau's height to his maternal grandfather, rather than his mother, given the average height differences between males and females?

>>2020037
I'm gay so I have a better taste in men than most women.

>>2020464
or maybe anglo men are beta cucks

>>2025393
>>2020655
>>2020640
It happened in pretty much every other Latinamerican country that was under a USA backed military junta, faggots.

>>2023448
Because ebil America allows big business

>>2020655
>what is the Unamerican activities commission.

>>2020037
The same happens in Montenegro and Dalmatia.

>>2023448
> founded the country that would become central on the world stage
Only after it's betters were all but annihilated by two World wars, at least she did one right thing and became a hub for ambitious scientists and inventors in the making.

>>2026167
The problem aren't big businesses, but you causing havoc, installing puppet regimes that do nothing to improve the prosperity of their citizens.

>>2019903
>Chez and Castro both basically attempted to act for the good of the people

Che was a psychopath that enjoyed executions. Castro was a psychpath that focused more on fucking Cuban women from the beaches than anything else.

>>2020345

So what about all the horrible shit he did? The people he murdered and tortured?

>>2020557
>persecuted gay people
he stopped in 79 and then apologized, still bad but not a great point

>persecuted dissident artists, banned non-state media and instituted a state-run council to control any artistic expression.
>while he was in power imprisoned any critics or protesters.
like every other power during the cold war

>Castro also seized all commercial property
>what is a socialist revolution

>ended up driving anyone with education or money out of the country
>He used slave labour
source

>Castro executed hundreds of innocent people during the revolution
weren't most other states executing "spies" during the cold war, or in whatever revolutions they were into at the time?

>He was also a warmonger sending arms, money, and the Cuban troops all over the world
notable ones are Congo, Bolivia, Angola and... ?

>>2023476
> killed the rich
a meme, they let them go to Florida
they shoot a number of army and police officers after kangaroo courts

>>2019826
Charisma. That thing you don't have.

>>2027233
Less of it than batista, if you adjust for duration.

And the us propped batista up. Go figure, right?

>>2027233
It's sad and all but I can't think of a prominent leader who hasn't killed thousands of civilians

>>2027886
Find ONE example of a capitalist country censoring speech or stopping democracy

I'll wait