Transhumanism Good or Bad idea?

>>2010602
/his/ - history

>>2010605
>Humanities

>>2010605
depends on the application. I believe it to be a good for future humanity.

>>2010602
Would inmediately create a caste of cyborg rulers.

Not wise

>>2010610
If you can come up with an adequate example of transhumanism that occurred over 25 years ago I'm all ears

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>>2010637

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GET OUT TRANSIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2010620
It's the only option to go forward without being shoahed by robot overlords.

>>2010610
Transhumanities don't count.

>>2010620
How exactly is it not wise?

It seems like the next logical step towards more efficient government

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>>2010602
Good

Anyone that disagrees is a luddite.

>>2010620
You vastly overestimate our capability to create intelligence. There are some serious diminishing returns and the best case would be supplementing areas the human brain is lacking in such as memory.

If we're going full extrapolation into super overmind AIs though, the human component isn't even necessary.

>>2010620
I mean, if we go full deus ex HELIOS Denton then shit would be rad if it didn't try to compartmentalize every human's life

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>>2010602
if you like the idea of seeing humanity being supplanted and disintegrated by an emergent technological entity through a meltdown process, then its a great idea.

>>2010677
Is this what Plato meant by philosopher king?

Realistically speaking, the problem is that it stratifies people into classes based on whether or not they have access to augmentation. So people get to rule because they are augmented, rather than people ruling because with augmentation they would be good rulers.

>>2010691
And calculation. I would honestly be a shitload smarter if I had the equivalent of a modern PC built into my head, or even smartphone levels of computation/memory.

>>2010708
>Wahhhhhh, humans aren't the final stage of conscious evolution

>>2010711
Do we already not live in class-based societies?

Does money not already stratify people into classes based on whether or not they have access to adequate food, shelter, education, and health care?

People already rule just fine because they have access such things, despite what commies say.

>>2010602
Inevitable idea

>"Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Ubermensch"

>>2010637
>>2010675
>Philosophy is a humanities

>>2010602
I welcome rational and logical sentient AI replacing humans, which are emotional and fallible creatures in contrast.

>>2010729
>Do we already not live in class-based societies?
Yes

>Does money not already stratify people into classes based on whether or not they have access to adequate food, shelter, education, and health care?
Yes

>People already rule just fine because they have access such things, despite what commies say.
No.

>>2010620
and you know this how?

>>2010725
I'm not moaning, seeing the process in action is really amusing

>>2010747
But robots will come up with retarded nihilistic answers to existence and why they should exist at all, like 42. Rationality is subservient to things that are irrational.

I love the degree of certainty which people seem to have on the outcome of this subject.

>>2010748
Well the world hasn't blown itself to bits just yet, so I'd reckon today's rulers are fair enough in the grand scheme of whether or not the human race has eliminated all of each other yet.

>>2010765
Exactly how long have we had the technology to blow the world into bits relative to the length of the history of humanity?

>>2010761
Are you implying otherwise?

It is no coincidence that today's wealthiest are greatly interested in technological augmentation.

Today /pol/ fears the Jew, tomorrow the Cyborg-Jews.

>>2010774
Admittedly not very long, but you can't say deny that at several points we got really, really, REALLY, close to actually doing it.

>>2010779
Yeah sure pal LOL

>>2010761
The future can be boiled down to two possibilities
>Humanity destroys itself
>Humanity transcends itself

Humanity staying humanity is not an option

>>2010790
sounds like some bs to me hah

>>2010792
Explain your doubt.

>>2010784
>but you can't say deny that at several points we got really, really, REALLY, close to actually doing it.
And that's supposed to be evidence that the system is working well even though it seems incapable of steering well away from it? If the system had failed, based on say a coin flip, and it turned up tails instead of heads, you wouldn't be around to observe that the system works because the coin ended up landing heads.

>>2010790
Ted Kaczynski would disagree

>>2010790
the answer is actually that humanity both transcends AND destroys itself

>>2010801
No, Ted Kaczynski was driven mad by the fact that he agreed

>>2010795
uhh outside forces could destroy us, it could be impossible to transcend humanity, ect. Look, humanity could go on for quite awhile and then destroy itself or be destroyed but your statement is so vague and open-ended that it really doesn't mean anything. I doubt anyone in this thread truly understand what the future holds, very few people ever do.

>>2010792
Technology has no limit we either destroy ourselves or we become so advanced that we transcend this current state. At some point transhumanism will be necessary.

>>2010806
>mfw humanity transcends BY destroying itself

>>2010790
Human beings have been basically the same for 100,000 years. Don't start sucking computer dick so fast

>>2010814
Well sure, we can always be eliminated by any number of external circumstances at the cosmo's mercy, but based on what we know it is still nonetheless what appears to be the most rational next step.

>>2010821
>Human beings have been the same for 100,000 years
>95,000 years as animals
>4,850 as civilized animals
>150 as civilized animals that understand genetics

Yeah dude, totally good point you made there

>>2010602
Most reddit idea on the planet

>>2010832
But I thought 4chan out of all places would be most supportive of uploading their minds to finally fuck their 2D waifus?

>>2010821
Humans have been constantly inventing things for all this years, it's about what can make our lives easier. If there is a problem someone will invent a solution.

>>2010829
>animals to civilized animals to civilized animals that understand genetics to technological animals to cybernetic animals?

>>2010844
This would be the only upside desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiaWsgtJrNI

The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

>>2010861
it's time to take your pills

>>2010870
only if it is speed