How could the Fuhrer have won the war?

>>2007979
>mass produce Panzer IVs
Who is going to crew them?
Might as well have 400 extra King Tigers with veteran crews

>no north africa campaign, no alliance with italy
Securing southern europe was essential to protect the rumainian oil feilds

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>>2007979

>If you were Hitler in 1939, what would you have done differently?

Invent the atom bomb. Not sure why nobody else thought to do that.

>rig British election so Oswald Mosley wins
>Lead an offensive against USSR
>problem solved, ww2 known forever as a simple purge of world communism

>>2008020
By 1939 most of the (((real scientists))) had already fled the country, and you can't invent the atom bomb without the (((actual physics))).

>>2008026
You can't kill an idea

>>2008034

If the jews were really that smart why did they let themselves get holocausted?

>>2008045
Not all Jews were scientists, but many of the German scientists were Jews, and by forcing them to flee the country Hitler undermined his own war effort. Then again, without antisemitism he wouldn't be so popular in the first place, so it was inevitable.

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>>2008040
no but you can do a damn good job of suppressing it

>>2008084
lol why are /pol/acks so triggered over gommizm at the first place?

>Annihilate the BEF before they can evacuate at Dunkirk, fuck Goering
>Immediately attack Britain and crush their airforce after France surrenders, don't give Churchill any extra time to prepare, focus on airfields, radar towers and industry, ignore terror bombing
>Invade and subjugate Britain, Soviet Union no longer possesses reliable means of receiving overseas supplies
>Either ignore Japan or convince/get them to actually open up a fucking eastern front on the Russians

There

>>2007979
>instead of wasting months and resources bombing britain for no reason, spend it instead on pushing for war against russia
Why? Russia was never a threat to Germany.

Hitler just went full retard with his Lebensraum.

>>2008120
Stalin was gearing up for a massive invasion of Europe

>>2008136
There's absolutely no evidence of this.

In fact when Churchill was sending warning letters to Stalin about Hitlers miliatry buildup near Russian borders - stalin thought Churchill just wanted to draw him into the war.

When shit hit the fan and Germany did finally invade Russia, Stalin had a mental breakdown and was silent for days - sending no orders to his staff and not replying to any of their letters.

>>2007979
not be only allied with fucking italy and japan.

hitler was fucked from the beginning.

>>2008162
Stalin gave speeches of it saying he'd wait out Germany and the west to finish fighting and then he'd come in and sweep up the leftovers. All the tanks and armored vehicles at the time in eastern europe were designed for fighting in urban western europe rather than the great expanses of eastern europe. STalin even had 10x more tanks that Hitler anticipated, he'd poured all his resources into military. Its obvious he was planning an invasion.

>>2007979
How about this question:

What actions/policies of Hitler and Nazi Germany would you keep if you wanted to win the war as Germany?

>inb4 killing jews

Id keep the Battle of France plans the same (except Dunkirk) and maintain small arms r&d

>>2008096
lol why is /leftypol/ so triggered over nazism in the first place?

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you wouldn't want this?

>>2008199
>Id keep the Battle of France plans the same

Really? You'd keep the single most miraculous victory that stunned even its German planners the same? Why on earth would you do such a thing?

wow. You all dont know shit about history.

First, never backstab russia. Reich<3Soviet 4 evr. the war would have already been won just by that, infinite russians + german intellect.

Second, pressure the fuck outta those researching the atomic bomb say that you will murder everyone and their relatives if it doesnt get done.

Third, dont let that guy who was making the super fast plane test it himself resulting him dying, and thus mass producing it, and raping the brits the fuck out from europe

Fourth, Make that deal with mexico to attack USA and take it all, and at the same time securing a base for Axis in the Americas

Fifth, take the rest of the south pole, it belongs to the reich rest fuck off

Sixth, Build a wall to keep the mexicans out cuz eww mexicans

>>2007979
we've had this thread like 10 billion times

oh yeah forgot

Seventh, let the weeaboos have Asia

>>2008084
i'm pretty sure that picture was staged
why are polacks do retarded?

>>2007979
>end the war immediately
>scourge all of Amsterdam for a young sweet Jewish girl named Anneliese Marie Frank
>have her escorted to the Volkshalle in style as should befit a maiden of such purity
>marry her and have her declared Queen of the Germanic people
>make sweet love to her for all eternity

>>2008115
This. Had Hitler pressed his advantage after Dunkirk, the war would have been over before 1941. Once Nazis started landing on English shores, Britain would have sued for peace.

>>2007979
>>invest in researching a long range strategic bomber

If this costs you in your extreely good CAS, this is probably a bad idea.

>>drop the wasteful "superweapons" plan. Instead of spending resources of the V-2 rocket, or panther and tiger 2 tank, mass produce Panzer IVs and upgrade their armour.

And you'll get crews for these thanks where exactly? Not to mention that even the uparmored pz4s were outclassed by both American and Soviet late war tanks.

>push for nuclear fission research, increase espionage in the americas to try to learn nuclear fission

Even if you do get the theory licked, you don't really have the resources or industrial capacity to build lots of nuclear weapons.

>bring the campaign against russia forward to the beginning of 1941, or as soon as possible after the battle of france

Yes, invade when there are 6 feet of mud everywhere. Great idea.

>no north africa campaign, no alliance with italy

I hope you like British forces swarming over the med, eliminating most of the effect of your u-boat campaign because you've just halved the transport time for everything coming from India and Asia, as well as stationing strat bombers there. Ploesti isn't important, is it?

>>2008115

>Annihilate the BEF before they can evacuate at Dunkirk, fuck Goering

And if Rundstedt and Von Kleist are right? That you don't have the operational strength to do it quickly and your men need a day or two to rest and regroup? They are tour commanders on the field.

And what if that redirection gives the French time to pull a line together? You'd have lost much more than you gained.

>Immediately attack Britain and crush their airforce after France surrenders, don't give Churchill any extra time to prepare, focus on airfields, radar towers and industry, ignore terror bombing

So, still lose? Because after all, Britain was still taking fewer losses and had more industrial capacity to absorb them even when the Luftwaffe was focusing on airfields.

>Invade and subjugate Britain, Soviet Union no longer possesses reliable means of receiving overseas supplies

With the 1 division or so of sealift at a time you have? Get real. Even if you had mauled the RAF, and forced them to pull back to bases over the midlands where you can't protect your bombers with me-109s (which is about the best you can hope to do, and even that's a stretch) a sealion is an absurdity.

>>2008186
>STalin even had 10x more tanks that Hitler anticipated, he'd poured all his resources into military.

So, Hitler's shittiy intel is proof of an invasion?

And Stalin's ratio of armed forces to that of the Soviet economy is on par with June 1939 Britain or France. I guess they were planning on conquering the world too!

>>2008405
>Implying the German army could have broken through the French defenses at Dunkirk without unacceptable loses
>Implying the Brits hadn't already abandoned all their heavy weapons and vehicles during the evacuation.
>Implying the troops captured/destroyed during a supposed breakthrough at Dunkirk weren't replacable.
>Implying the Luftwaffe could ever win the Battle of Britain
>Implying the Kriegsmarine had any hope of securing the channel for long enough for an invasion force to land.
>Implying the Kriegsmarine could keep the channel secure enough to run convoys to the invasion force.
>Im-fucking-plying

>>2008583
They did have the strength though, and literally all of Germany's generals agree it was a huge mistake to halt the armies and allow the Allies a chance to build the defences they needed to hold out against the Germans, even Von Rundstedt called the decision one of the great turning points of the war. The Allies were demoralized, in disarray, and had no chance to catch their breath, if Guderian had his way, the Allies would have been crushed, they had been unable to react to Germany's assault thus far, there's nothing to suggest they'd suddenly start doing so now. It is also not like the Luftwaffe didn't require rest, as they had been in operations for 2 weeks straight, and as it went on to show, bad weather severely hampered the Luftwaffe's ability to bomb Dunkirk. Furthermore, if the BEF had been utterly annihilated, the sheer morale shock might have been enough for the pro peace side in Britain to win out over Churchill


The RAF was able to inflict as much damage as it did because of the radar towers and the ability to intercept the bombers in such a quick fashion, had Goering continued and intensified his bombardment of them, it would remove one of Britain's greatest assets in the battle. Furthermore, despite the damage inflicted against the Luftwaffe, Park and Dowding were shitting their pants at the damage being done to them, and were relieved when tactics switched to terror bombing, easing off the pressure on them, as they were afraid they would have been forced to relocate North, giving Goering another edge in the fight.
Furthermore, the problems concerning Sealion was the level of preparation on Britain's part, and a lack thereof on Germany, as Hitler never wanted war with Britain. Preparations should have been made against the island from the start, and as British command straight up admitted, if Dover and its coastal guns were taken, it would be impossible even for the Royal Navy to stop the flow of supplies and reinforcements.

>>2009447
Also, nine divisions made up the first wave, and that's with the shitty barges they came up on the fly with, put proper finding into actual amphibious assault craft and with the RAF licked, you could land even more.

>>2009459
>Also, nine divisions made up the first wave, and that's with the shitty barges they came up on the fly with, put proper finding into actual amphibious assault craft and with the RAF licked, you could land even more.

>We're going to land more troops at once with converted river barges than the British and Americans did with the colossal fucking fleet in Operation Overlord because we have German magic!

There is no fucking way in hell that the Germans were ever actually landing 9 divisions as a first wave. Even 2 is a stretch.

>>2009447

>They did have the strength though, and literally all of Germany's generals agree it was a huge mistake to halt the armies and allow the Allies a chance to build the defences they needed to hold out against the Germans

They didn't hold out against the Germans at Dunkirk, they evacuated.

>The Allies were demoralized, in disarray, and had no chance to catch their breath,

Except you plan on giving them the chance to catch their breath by ordering an assault over slightly marshy ground with units at operational strength of roughly 50%.

>Furthermore, if the BEF had been utterly annihilated, the sheer morale shock might have been enough for the pro peace side in Britain to win out over Churchill
Yeah, like the sheer morale shock of strategic bombing over Germany, or the Blitz, or the Barbarossa invasions. Morale shock doesn't work in total wars.

>The RAF was able to inflict as much damage as it did because of the radar towers and the ability to intercept the bombers in such a quick fashion,

And because escorting slow, lumbering bombers is hard.

>Furthermore, despite the damage inflicted against the Luftwaffe, Park and Dowding were shitting their pants at the damage being done to them

Which is why the Fighter Command strength kept going up. They were shitting their pants because they had shitty intel.

>been forced to relocate North, giving Goering another edge in the fight.

Oh no, the response time is now 25 minutes instead of 10. What a huge edge.

>Furthermore, the problems concerning Sealion was the level of preparation on Britain's part, and a lack thereof on Germany, as Hitler never wanted war with Britain.

And "preparation" in the form of building a bigger fleet means that Britain gets much more hostile to you and prepares themselves.

>>2009447


>and as British command straight up admitted, if Dover and its coastal guns were taken, it would be impossible even for the Royal Navy to stop the flow of supplies and reinforcements.

[citation needed]. Not to mention that capturing coastal guns intact in an invasion is pretty absurd, and it won't stop raids on your new fun supply tether.

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>>2008096

Lol why are stormfags and tankies so triggered on this board?

Oh that's right. Because both of your ideologies are fucking shit, leading to death, slaughter of civillians, killing off people who you deem either """privileged"""" or """inferior"""" to you (despite loosing to people who are privileged and/or inferior to you) , implementing totalitarianism, tyrannical fanatical dictatorship, and is filled to the rim with backstabbing fuckwits who would betray their comrades to obtain power.

>>2007979
>no Italian alliance
Who would guard the Mediteranean then?

>>2009882

>more stormfag propaganda

Let me guess, the holocaust was GREATLY EXAGGERATED

I'm sure those historians and archaeologists don't know a single thing they're talking about

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1. Don't declare war on the whole world

>>2009908
research it, see how stormfag it is

>>2009996
only to USA a war was declared

>>2007979

>invest in researching a long range strategic bomber
>drop the wasteful "superweapons" plan.

You contradicted yourself rather quickly. A long-range strategic bomber would have been of very little utility for the Nazis. Everybody they were fighting was pretty close to them. Hitler would have been better off the stay away from "strategic" bombing completely and focus on actually fighting rather than just trying to keep hitting London for no reason.

>>2008026
>rig British election

Considering Britain had double agents fucking everywhere and top tier counter-intelligence I don't think you could simply just rig an election.

Maintain better contact with Japan and attempt to invade russia from the east as well

I would give doenitz mkre Money for the submarines instead building the Bismark which was destroyed.... With more submarines he could keep the land lease act away from all the other countries.

The invade into Russia from the Japan side happend, but failed as well. After that the Japan was focusing into overtaking the south Asia parts.

tell musolini to actually prepare for the war with greece and the japanese to help me against the russians

The only way to win the Eastern front is to win Moscow, Stalingrad and Kharkov during 1941-1943.

The only way for the Axis to win WWII overall is:

Germany gains some sort of supremacy in the Middle East, preferably Libya and Algeria

Japan does Pearl Harbor and then wrecks the Americans in Coral Sea and Midway, and afterwards takes over the Philippines and Solomon Islands.

Britain sues for peace in 1943-1944

US invasion of Italy somehow fails

Soviet Union is mostly destroyed by early 1945

This is the only straight path to absolute victory, now how you do it however impossible or outlandish is the stuff of speculative history.

Ok, ill play.

Biggest thing: when invading soviet union, dont treat the populace barbarically, support them to rise up against stalin.

Mobilise the entire populace

Concentrate on reliabillty rather than complexity in design of tanks.

Develop fighters

Develop biological weapons and continue developing long range weapons.

Dont get italy to attack anything just concentrate on support/defense. That should give mussolini time to support the army.

Go for russian railway hubs first not shitholes like stalingrad long range bombers each day to take out railways and airfields so denying the russions a chance to move heavy industry out.

develop new decoding machines and tightly guard them, take additional steps (limit numbers make them booby trapped) to delay them being captured and change keys more often
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>>2007979
Tell the japs not to attack America, and promise them to help if the US attacks them first. In return they have to focus on the USSR and stop raping chinawomen. Focus on train transportation and leave the Jews alone.

>>2008385
This