Happy birthday to this legend!!

>>2002947
>pinochet was born on the day castro died
gommunists btfo

>>2002956

like pottery

>people hate castro for killing political enemies
>people love pinochet for killing political enemies

>>2003008
i think people actually hate castro because he's a communist

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>>2003008
pure ideology etc etc

>>2003008
Yeah, you see, but, the thing is, with Pinochet, the ends justified the means, and the memes justified the means

>>2003013
Gommies invented class consciousness as ultimately a way to make killing anyone with power acceptable

>>2003047
literally proving my picture right

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>>2003013

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>>2002947
Ah yes, true saviour of Chile.

>CIA asset
>corrupt
>Chile only started growing after he was deposed
What a hero. Embezzling money is okay if you put rats in women vaginas and you follow the economic doctrine of a Jew that doesn't work, just like Marxism.

>>2003205
>pinochet killed enough communists to have that much effect on GDP
very impressive

>>2003207
>>Chile only started growing after he was deposed
>Things somehow take time to take effect

>>2002956
He's also been dead for much longer

>>2003221
What things? His policies FAILED. Government that came after were social democrats.
Also, are you naive enough to think all people he killed were militant communists?
Pinochet was literally all that most of /pol/ stands against yet in a fit of cognitive dissonance he becomes some sort of hero because he deposed a commie and then started shit that's as bad as communism.

>>2003231
No they didn't lol, the social democrats did nothing to spurn that growth

>>2003265
GDP per capita increased 40%

>>2003231
>Pinochet was literally all that most of /pol/ stands against yet in a fit of cognitive dissonance he becomes some sort of hero because he deposed a commie and then started shit that's as bad as communism.

/pol/ users are pretty stupid so I don't know why you would expect anything else from them.

>>2003231
>Pinochet was literally all that most of /pol/ stands against
And these things are?

>>2003265
Give me a source for those numbers, also he has a 70% approval rating, he is loved by his population http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6170117.stm

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>>2003303
He literally started the neocon/neolib economic wave of Jewish economics that have destroyed Europe

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>>2002947
¡Adios, my general, adiooooos!

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>>2003557
That was tempered by a political culture that emphasized descentralization of political power and the strenghtening of civil society.

The problem with the modern West is that you have economic liberalism and a rise in social atomism. Without intermediary institutions between the individual and the state, the market ends up establishing a tyranny as great as of the state.

>>2003436
>loved by his population

Kek

Im Chilean and most people hate this guy or are indifferent.

I fail to see why people here love him so much. He was pretty terrible.

>>2003749
I'm sure Chilean people nowadays "hate" Pinochet just like Americans "hate" Hitler, for no other reason than that left-dominated media and schools told them to, and constantly reinforce it. I mean, why would you actually, literally "hate" a historical figure that has had no influence in you, and in the case of Chile, was a net positive?

>>2003557
Oh no all the brown people!

F

>>2003749
La Pintana detected.

>>2003008
If you want to kill your enemies, at least do it in style

>>2003784
>m-m-muh leftist media conspiracy
Why would you not dislike a sociopath that tortured people?

>>2004021
I don't know maybe because he saved Chile from becoming a Venezuela and Cuba tier socialist shithole?

>>2004037
Even if your speculation was correct (and ignoring that the people should be free to democratically decide how society organizes itself even if you don't like the outcome), it wouldn't stop me from disliking a sociopath, ideology aside.

>>2004037
>american backed kleptocrat that tortured and killed thousands, stagnated his country and turned entire assets of the country open buffet for Americans
>his country is doing better than countries America actively tried to destroy because of social democrats that came after him that America left alone

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>>2003205
Don't forget their state owned copper mine.

>>2004021
Then why do you like Fidel Castro?

>>2004132
I don't.
Did fidel torture people though?

>>2004137
In rightwinger media

>>2003784
Yeah, its clearly the leftist media's fault, why else would people dislike guys who committed genocide, destroyed europe and tortured and killed people. People are so stupid.

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>>2002947
Did they shoot them first before throwing out off the helicopter?

>>2004236
At least you can talk

>>2004220
Serious question, do you hate Alexander the Great? What about Cesar and Napoleon? When you're at starbucks, tipping in your macbook with your libshit friends, do you go out of your way to say how much you hate Genghis Khan? Because it's literally the same thing. But you don't because that doesn't give you virtue points right?

>>2004253
I don't think you know what genocide means. Conquerors in war are different from domestic tyrants desu

>>2004253
>bad history, imaginary scenarios, and buzzwords
Nice post, /pol/.

>>2004265
No apparently you don't know what genocide is.

>>2004269
Going to war against a particular race isn't genocide

>>2004268
le /pol/ boogeyman. Next time write in your fb that you're literally crying over the victims of Nebuchadnezzar II.

>>2004277
>more imaginary scenarios
Can you tell me more about myself anon? I'm surprised you didn't resort to quoting imaginary arguments yet.

>>2004276
According to the UN genocide

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily harm, or harm to mental health, to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Unless you're going by your own special definition.

>>2004253
All those people were more successful than Hitler and Pinochet and their policies would be found more agreable by us.

>>2004283
I can tell you're a libshit numale.

>>2004253
notice something about the guys you mentioned?

yeah like the fact that they died at least 200 years ago

this is why the 25 year rule exists

>>2004286
And? None of the people you labelled didn't do it to their own countrymen, only to their enemies

>>2004289
No. All those people don't get you virtue points by whining on fb.

>>2004253
Yeah, people hate guys who committed crimes less than 100 years ago and whose victims and their families are still alive. Alexander, Cesar and Napo did the same things but we look at them in a non passionate way because so many years have passed. Same thing will happen to Hitler and Pinocho in the future, but today, its totally comprehensible why people dont like them.

>>2004296
So you are going by your own special definition of genocide. Enjoy talking to yourself.

>>2004300
>>2004298

>>2004304
As in if you are trying to equate war mongers as genocide criminals then literally any war leader is committing genocide. War crimes aren't genocide

>>2004316
>>2004286

>>2004323
>claims others are talking to themselves
>repeats talking points like a machine

>>2004298
Wrong.

Alexander started a war against a faction that had attacked his own in the past. He was then charmed by the cultures he met along the way, and the people who were conquered by him left us positive accounts of his character. His empire was one of the greatest, he was undefeated in battle, and cultural exchange flourished under him.

Napoleon pushed for liberalism and nation-statehood, two things that are the backbone of the current western zeitgeist.

Caesar was a populares that got stabbed by crooked oligarchs that controled nearly all the land, that populares such as him planned to redistribute among the impoverished masses.

They could run an electoral campaign these days and their platforms would still be found sympathethic.

>>2004335
Ok so let's do this.

Mao killed more Chinese citizens than any foreign power.
Pol Pot killed more Cambodian citizens than any foreign power.
Fidel Castro killed more Cuban citizens than any foreign power.

I dare you open your macbook, go into the nearest starbucks, open fb and write a post of how you hate any of these and how you're literally crying over the genocide of Cubans, etc., by these "evil" leftist dictators.

Reminder that Pinochet supporters are mentally ill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8DFQC5JPKk

>>2004374
You pick Mao >>2004375

I HATE Fidel Castro with all my guts and all of his supporters should be killed!

Said no libshit ever.

>>2004384
What has that to do with my post?

>>2004416
Do it. And post results.

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>>2003205
>chile and argentina, two right wing nations are considered close to first world today while the rest of spicland is africa-tier due to their socialism

POTTERY

>>2004446
I only use FB for work. Don't even have a profile picture.

I could complain about any of these and get nods from everyone, except maybe Castro because there are old, rural, not-very-literate communists in my country, and Castro said good things about my countrymen. They wouldn't hang out at Starbucks so I'd still get nods from everyone there.

>>2004375
Do you have any opinion that isn't driven by /pol/ memes? It's pretty sad.

>>2004468
Neither is remotely close to first world. And argentina was destroyed by right wing dictatorships.

>>2004375
Sure? idk about Castro since he did had a civil war

>>2004473
>I only use FB for work. Don't even have a profile picture.
>I could complain about any of these and get nods from everyone, except maybe Castro
Are you me? What country are you from?

>>2004476
>I HATE Pinochet!!1
Why Anon?
>He killed all those people... *cries*
Here's a list of people that killed thousands of times more people than Pinochet. Do you hate them too?
>YOU ARE LE /POL/ BOOGEYMAN!

>>2004497
Portugal.

>>2004503
Happy to finally see your imaginary quotes.
Yes, people that killed "thousands of times more" than pinochet are also bad, and nobody said the opposite in this thread. Hope you are enjoying debating with imaginary people from memes instead of the actual people in the thread.

>>2004513
And you? Don't leave me hanging dry.

>>2004483
>Hitler is single-handedly destroyed Europe and is personally responsible for every single war casualty in any side during WWII
C-Castro dindu noffin

>>2004529
Argentina.

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>>2004482
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_American_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Human_Development_Index

P O T T E R Y

>>2004483
>According to the scholarly French work, The Black Book of Communism: 14,000 Cubans were shot by firing squad alone
>The true death toll of Cuban victims of Communism is probably closer to 102,000 if one were to include those killed in the anti-Castro resistance of the early 1960s and those who drowned at sea fleeing Castro's regime.
>The total number of refugees from Castro's dictatorship is more than a million (compared to fewer than 5,000 from Pinochet).
Castro was also a corrupt politician that lived in a private island and had sex with underage prostitutes. Source: Cuban refugees.

>>2004537
So?

>>2004520
Post on fb that you're literally crying in fetal position for Castro's victims and all his supporters are mentally ill, and post results here, otherwise you're full of it.

>>2004468
Chile developed within the 20 years of centre-left concertacion governments. Chile only had 4 years of right-wing government in the last 26 years.

>>2004544
Source:
http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=2926

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>>2004546
AHAHAHAHHAHA

>>2004551
They'll probably bring up Batista's victims.

Reminder that Castro also had concentration camps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#History

B-but it's not cool to hate him! Prof. Schlomo said that he was a progressive leader and we need one just like him!

>>2004562
>AHAHAHAHHAHA
Are you twelve years old or something?
Chile and Argentina being better than shitholes like bolivia doesn't even remotely equate being close to first world. I actually live in Buenos Aires, retard. We are not near first world, we have over 30% poverty, and plenty of slums. Before the coup of 1976 we had almost no poverty nor homelessness. So you are both wrong in implying that we are close to first wold countries, and wrong in implying that the right wing resulted in development. Finally, our current government, despite being consider right-wing in argentina, would be closer to democrats in the US.

>>2004564
Who defended castro in this thread?
Who are you quoting?

>>2004375
What kind of people do you see defending Mao or fucking Pol Pot?

>>2004582
The point has passed over you head. Granted, it's a small target.
>>2004503

>>2004603
>>2004503

>>2004609
I don't understand the argument
Pinochet was a dick and so was Mao and Pol Pot.

>>2004605
The point is you refuting or making fun of arguments nobody made?

>>2004614
He doesn't care about what you say, he cares about what /pol/ memes say leftists say. He's literally debating with memes by himself.

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>>2004577
>all right wing nations in south america have proven to be better than the left wing
>some low test decadent leftist can't accept it and have to make shit up

can't make this up

>>2004629
Lack of counterargument is an admission of being wrong.

>>2004629
>rejecting reality to substitute it with memes

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>>2004636
you haven't even provided an argument yet

2 nations which have had a significant right wing period in its history is doing far better than the countries which is giving out gibmedats through socialism

>>2003016
I think you meant to say the ends justify the memes.

>>2004650
Of course i have, argentina is worse than before the right wing took over in 1976, making your claim retarded.
While we're at it, what periods are you specifically referring to in each country?

>>2004650
He did, You just refuse to accept it

>>2004650
Don't bother arguing with leftists, it's better to just leave them be in their LARP fantasy world where their ideology isn't on the verge of death in the modern world

>>2004696
Not really arguing since he never actually provided an argument.

>>2004676
>>2004680

>argentina/chile is worse

post proof or GTFO

i've already established that both chile and argentina have a higher HDI than the leftist shitholes, you haven't provided anything, no proof, just words

>>2004703
You can go back to your LARPing now, sir

>>2004603

leftists

>>2004717
Barely any leftists defend Mao, there's Unruhe I guess, but beyond that I can't think of any.

I haven't talked or seen a single person who defended Pol Pot.

>>2004723
Dianne Abbott defended Mao lol

>>2004629
Chile is not a right-wing nation you retard

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>>2004748
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Aylwin
it may not be now but it used to be, and without it, it would just be another south american shithole

you still haven't provided an argument or facts, BTFO and GTFO

>>2004704
Again, can you tell me what period you are referring to? Because, given your obvious lack of knowledge on south american history, you seem to be implying that they have both been more or less homogeneously governed by the right wing, but this is very wrong.
In the case of argentina, with the dicatorship the poverty rate went from less than 6% to over 37% in 1982, while slightly increasing unemployment and multiplying the debt by about 12 times.
Source: http://www.ceil-conicet.gov.ar/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mi3neffa.pdf
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceso_de_Reorganización_Nacional

>>2004746
That faggot Sartre praised Mao and libtards praise faggot Sartre.

>>2004771
Aylwin was centre/centre-left you colossal retard. Christian democrats were part of the centre-left Concertacion coalition.

And like I said before, Chile developed within these 20 years of concertacion governments. Chile improved far, far more in every metric during these years than Pinochet years.

It is you who doesn't have an argument.

>>2004793
>Patricio Aylwin’s involvement in politics started in 1945, when he joined the Falange Nacional. Later he was elected president of the Falange in 1950 and 1951.[4] When that party became the Christian Democrats, he served seven terms as its president between 1958 and 1989.

>In 1935 a group of younger social-Christians split from the Conservative Party to form the Falange Nacional. Despite its name this group was largely made up of progressive and reformist[5] Catholics, and bore little resemblance to Spanish Falangism. In its early years it imitated elements of fascist movements with some of its members wearing uniforms and undergoing paramilitary training.

>fascism is centre-left

decadent leftists eternally BTFO

>>2004813
Holy fuck, you're cherry picking irrelevant shit in order to claim he was a right-winger. Ever your own goddamn quote says Falange Nacional was made up of progressive and reformist Catholics and "bore little resemblance to Spanish Falangism".

Since the return of democracy the Christian democrats have been centre/centre-left you fucking illiterate. Aylwin governed within a centre-left coalition and opposed the right. Are you slow on the head or something?

>>2004824
>actually trying to reason with a /pol/yp

C'mon bruv

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>>2003013
Reddit, get out!

>>2004824
The brand of leftism your referring to doesn't resemble modern leftism is the slightest. He's not an idiot, your just being a pedant.

>>2004875
Pedant for pointing out the Concertacion is centre-left? What?

I'm Chilean you moron, I'm quite sure I know more about Chilean "brands of leftism" than you do.

Just admit you have no argument.

>>2004875
? They still exist and still are in the center left, and supported bachelet. How can they not resemble it? Do they not resemble themselves?
Wait, by "modern leftism" you mean some /pol/ meme don't you?

>>2004884
>>2004899

I'm referring to American liberalism. Something most people on /his/ think about when they think of leftism.

>>2004930
>Something most people on /his/ think about when they think of leftism.
Maybe on /pol/, i think /his/ is better than that.

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Pinochet should have done nothing and let Allende starve Chile with his retarded policies.

That's the only way commies ever learn.

>>2004939
No the majority of 4chan users are still Americans buddy.

>>2004930
No, you're referring to a caricature of leftism you learned on /pol/, something very little people think of when they hear the term centre-left.

>>2004975
>No
Yes, the majority of 4chan users ARE Americans and when they think of leftism they think of the American variant. Has nothing to do with /pol/.

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>>2002956
>be castro
>become commie
>fight for the red idea
>DIES
>on pinochet's bday
>on a black friday (literally the day of the capitalism)

>>2004944
>commies
>learning
>ever

>>2004944
>commies
>learning
NOT
REAL
COMMUNISM!

>>2003016
>killing is okay when we do it

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>tfw my country had a literal Communist Hunting Command
>i will never be part of it

Why is /his/ full of leftist faggots? Latin American dictators only stayed in power enough time to clean the red scum. Why do you think USSR/Cuba/China-supported guerrillas appeared all around out of nowhere? Just ask any older LA citizen and they will unanimously tell you life was better then than under these socialist/populist governments of today.

The only bad thing our military dictators did was not killing enough commies.

>>2005053
literal cringe
I usually don't post my power fantasies on 4chan because I have some self-awareness

>>2003784
>muh left wing media conspiracy
Maybe, just maybe, people hate him because he imprisoned and "disappeared" tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, killed several thousand more, and tortured tens of thousands of others with methods that would make Jigsaw proud.

>>2005051
This implies leftists are human

>>2005067
Can you show us a source on Pinochet's popularity?

>>2005065
Try to mock more, maggot. And forget about anything else in my post.

>>2005067

this is a thing I don't get about right-wingers, how do they justify torture? Firing Squad is much more humane than just torturing people to death until you get what you want.

Do they just lack empathy for human life?

>>2005080
>maggot
Going to be calling an airstrike down on me too?

>>2004375
>Pol Pot
You forgot to mention that he came to power and stayed in power only because of the US, and that the US supported the Khmer Rouge in exile. Virtually no socialists support Pol Pot.

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>>2005086
>commies
>people

>>2005116

if corporations are people, commies are people too my friend

>>2004468
>the rest of spicland is africa-tier due to their socialism
*revisionism intensifies*

>>2004544
>muh 100 billion trillion
The Black Book of Communism and its ilk are a joke.

>tfw I wish we had an Eastern European Pinochet

>>2004629
le dank meme le XDDD!!!

>>2005090
>>2005099

This is what's wrong with /his/ now.

>>2005090
>>2005099
>>2005142
You sure showed them!

>>2004746
I think she said that Mao did a lot of harm though.

>>2005003
>>2005048
Not an argument.

>>2005086
This is how: >>2005073
>>2005116
They just pretend they're not killing humans. Same as what Stalin supporters say.

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>>2005053
>my superhero fantasy dream
plus
>bullshit out of my ass

Also,
>The only bad thing our military dictators did was not killing enough commies.
I guess you also criticizes the '100 trillions communism killed'.

Enough said, Paredón with you.

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>>2004544

>According to the scholarly French work, The Black Book of Communism: 14,000 Cubans were shot by firing squad alone

>The true death toll of Cuban victims of Communism is probably closer to 102,000 if one were to include those killed in the anti-Castro resistance of the early 1960s and those who drowned at sea fleeing Castro's regime.

>The total number of refugees from Castro's dictatorship is more than a million (compared to fewer than 5,000 from Pinochet)

>Castro was also a corrupt politician that lived in a private island and had sex with underage prostitutes. Source: Cuban refugees.

Ah, yes. The "made-up shit" argument.

>>2005167

so it is total disregard of human life?

but what about their "muh what would JEZUS do?"?

>>2005180
>when reality contradicts muh feelings

>>2005181
They ignore that when it's convenient to.

>>2005187
100% certain your the same person responding to your own post.

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>>2005192

>>2005187

I hate american evangelism so much due to this. Thank god I'm catholic

>>2002956
that's a proper birthday gift

>tfw born too late to be a helicopter pilot for the great general

>>2004530
>personally responsible for every single war casualty in any side during WWII

Because Hitler made the Allies bomb German cities full of civilians, obviously.

>>2003436
From your article:
>By the time he handed over power to Chile's first woman president Michelle Bachelet at the start of 2006, President Lagos had removed most of the remaining traces of General Pinochet's regime in Chile's institutions, and he enjoyed a 70% approval rating
It was the left-wing President who reversed Pinochet's policies who had a 70% approval not Pinocuck. Learn to read.

>>2004650
Yeah because Argentina and Chile are definitely the only two Latin American countries that have had right-wing military dictatorships

Why can't people fathom that both guys are shit?

>>2003557
You mean the "LOOK AT THE STATS" type of development in developing that ultimately fails in the long run?

>>2004137
>Did fidel torture people though?
Yes.

>>2003265
/thread

Pinochet and his minions burn in Hell.
No true leader could even fathom the brutality he displayed to his own people.
A truly loathsome human being and the injustice and degradation of his leadership is a continual stain on his legacy.

T. Known Boss

>>2005688
Most people can, but the retards who like one or the other have to beat up on strawmen so they assume that who ever criticizes their guy must be a fan of the other guy.

>>2002947
I love how lefturds are STILL so butthurt about Pinochet

>M-Muh Allende was going to create a commie paradise
>H-He wasn't even responsible for economic growth
>E-Even if he was muh income inequality

Meanwhile people queue for 8 hours for a loaf of bread in Venezuela. But hey, at least they all queue equally! Communism at last!

>>2005142
Go back to whatever liberal shithole you came from.

>>2005732
>I love how lefturds are STILL so butthurt about Pinochet
???
I see people barely talk about him

>>2005767
But whenever he's brought up it's "but did you know he personally tortured 6 billion babies???"

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>>2002947
>>2003008
he killed commies

>>2005772
>But whenever he's brought up
So shouldn't the real question be why do faggots bring up some loser from an irrelevant spic country who lost power 25 years ago?

>>2005785
>loser
He made Chile great again.

reminder that the non aggression principle does NOT apply to communists

>>2005785
and he basically died in decaying state as everything came crumbling down and prosecuted for his crimes like a typical shithole dictator who basically lost the support of his country, his ability to avoid punishment and a lot of his supporters overtime with the death only sparing him the massive deluge of shit fucking him up?

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Thread soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJ_n_CMAjU&

>>2005838
>and he basically died in decaying state
Now you're just lying.

He laid the base for Chile's economic prosperity.

>>2005865
I'm pretty sure he meant Pinochet was in a decaying state not Chile

>>2005867
Well I've rarely met people dying of old age while being at the prime of their fitness.

>>2003008
one ideology leads to the greatest prosperity on earth the other to meandering poverty and massive oppression

>>2002947
Feliz cumpleaños mi general!

>>2006109
ahora anda a chuparsela a la vieja culia ladrona

>>2002947
Pinochet loses his appeal when you realize the CIA only let him LARP as Mussolini in order to combat Soviet influence.

>>2006156
You also realize he was a literal donkey. Seriously, all the fags itt talking as if he was some sort of genius and everything that happened during his rule was his idea. Probably havent even heard of Jaime Guzman.

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>>2003265

>>2002956
>My bloodthirsty dictator is better than your bloodthirsty dictator XD
kys.

>>2004375

>using /pol/ memes

I'm sure you think liberals are socialists too

>>2004468

Bolivia may take you up on that

>>2005053

>muh right wing fantasy

Cry more, faggot

>>2005732

>lefturds
>implying all left wingers like communists

K.

>>2004564

>prof schlomo

Fuck off, stormfag not everyone likes Castro or Che