Battle of Stalingrad

If the forces of nature were so in favor of a Nazi victory that they would forestall the seasons just to prevent their blunder from actually impacting them then I suppose the Nazis would have been legitimately invincible in war.

>>2001471

German failure at Stalingrad was not principally due to weather. In fact, Chuikov's memoirs said he only had two real worry points during the battle, first being the initial rush, and secondly when it started to get cold, as his resupply was threatened when the Volga was partially frozen and it was hard to get barges across, but not so locked in ice that you could just drag things from shore to shore.


Honestly, the main reason that the Germans couldn't take Stalingrad is they got too badly battered fighting (in the open, mind you) trying to get into position in the first place.

>>2001471
Germans lost because they got encircled, not because of the winter.

every seven seconds a german soldier dies in stalingrad

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven [gunshot]

What if the nazis built a weather machine and controlled the weather?

Pretty sure it was lack of supplies, weather, as in, they didin't think the campaign would last so long. iirc, they decided to to focus more on supplies in the first 6 months or w/e, rather than winter clothes and so on. Which i think the meme "Hitler shouldn't have invaded russia in the winter" comes from. But no, I dont think they could have won the war. At best they could have made some peace agreement. Now, keep in mind i saw this in a documentary so I dont have a written source for it. But in the beginning months germany took around 3 million soviet prisoners. And the soviets could STILL keep fighting. Keep in mind that the initial inasion force of germany was like what, 3.6 millon.

>>2001484
ayy

>>2003140
>But in the beginning months germany took around 3 million soviet prisoners. And the soviets could STILL keep fighting.
Germany itself had 1 million casualties in the first few months of Barbarossa and could still keep fighting for years afterwards. That's not shocking but the norm in an existential war.

>Keep in mind that the initial inasion force of germany was like what, 3.6 millon.
Which allowed them to outnumber the Soviets on the fronts.

> Russian solders are mutants who don't feel cold and are immune to frostbites
> Russian infrastructure in unoccupied areas for some reason much better suited for winter that the one left in occupied territory
> Russian winter is a climatic anomaly and there is no way to foresee it and prepare for it
"General Winter" is meme that needs to stop. If your high command is incompetent enough to left your troops unprepared to seasonal change you can't have a special pleading and shift responsibilities to some force of nature. It's not about "General Winter", it's about German HQ not doing their job, and it them who should be blamed for the results.

>>2002228
This.

The real reason for the loss was that Hitler personally ordered for the front to be overstretched by reaching for the oil fields in the Caucasus as well as for Stalingrad. He wanted it all and got nothing in the end.

>>2001471
>General Winter
>>>/a/
And stay there

>>2003329
>Russian solders are mutants who don't feel cold and are immune to frostbites

Nazi retards legitimately thought this might be the case and did lots of tests on Russian POWs. Turns out, nope, Russians freeze to death just as quickly as anyone else.

>>2003305
>Which allowed them to outnumber the Soviets on the fronts.

Yea, I was just saying that the russians almost lost the equivalent of entire german invading force in the first months. Which is pretty incredible i you think about the numbers.

>>2003359
>Yea, I was just saying that the russians almost lost the equivalent of entire german invading force in the first months.

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