Hitler vs Napoleon

>>1996386
Napoleon.

Napoleon, an actually talented guy. Hitler is a fucking LARPer in comparison.

>>1996409
>implying Bonaparte's whole life, civil, political and military, wasn't a fraud

Napo sensei

>>1996386
The one who got balls to return from exile instead of chosing suicide as his last move.

>>1996386
>Military genius vs angry autist

>>1996405
>>1996409
>>1996420
>>1996422
>>1996428
You chose... wisely.

Napoleon.

>>1996386
Napoleon

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Don't listen to cucks opinion. Hitler is where it is. He was true man of democracy, choosen by the people for the people. Not some royal who got a right to rule by being born, from the right mother.

Both shit

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>>1996386
NAPPY
A
P
P
Y

Hitler's a fucking faggot lmao

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>>1996551
His rise to power was probably the most spectacular in history, I'll say that much for him.

And although he was no military genius, he was far from the bungler he's often made out to have been.

But honestly, based on the last sentence of your post, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and need to shut the fuck up where Napoleon is concerned.

>>1996551

>Not some royal who got a right to rule by being born, from the right mother.

Jesus christ

just fuck off back to /pol/

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>>1996551
>/pol/ in charge of history

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Although I admire Hitler, Napoleon is the true patrician's choice.

>>1996386
Napoleon

>>1996551
leave.

>>1996551
How historically inept are you?

>/ourguy/ vs. autistic Austrian painter
wew

Hitler.

Napoleon made the Rothschild Jews rich.

>>1996386
Napoleon anytime.
>>1996579
>His rise to power was probably the most spectacular in history, I'll say that much for him.
How so? Napoleon's rise was a lot more impressive. From a common soldier to a military leader to emperor.

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>>1996948
Hitler had zero connections and absolutely nothing going for him other than his will after the end of the First World War, and on a political scale trumped Napoleon's achievements.

Napoleon was a far more impressive individual, but Hitler achieved more with less, at least on a political level.

>b-but he lost!

So did Nappy.

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>>1997113
This
Napoopan was in the right place at the right time, while Hitler had to earn everything himself
Both skilled individuals tho

>>1997113
>>1997142
Hitler was more or less planted into the party he wound in charge of, he was then put into power through backroom deals that Hindenburg had his arm twisted to agree to. His rise to power wasn't some organic triumph of will.

Napoleon's legacy is also much more impressive, as his nationalism wound up shaping the future of European politics and his system of law becoming the basis for most European systems of law. He also ushered in the official end of both the Holy Roman Empire and feudalism in Europe. Whereas Hitler managed only to make everything associated with him, his ideals, or his regime political suicide to endorse in Europe.

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>>1997113
>napoleon lost

Will we have a great conqueror again?

>>1997154
>Hitler was more or less planted into the party he wound in charge of
>hey faggot """""investigate""""" this party for us
>k

Two months later...

>hey I'm quitting the army faggots
>lol k

You can't be fucking serious.

>>1997113
What did Hitler achieve? Killing the Jews and a bunch of slavs?
Napoleon liberated Europe from feudalism, restored France to stability (with an actual recovery unlike the Nazis who just built theirs on the back of armament spending), consolidated the legacy of the French Revolution while trimming its more excessive portions, emancipated the Jews, and established the Code Napoléon.

Not to mention Napoleon started from nothing too, he went from being an artillery soldier to emperor, Hitler went from being the leader of an insignificant party to dictator. Napoleon's ascent to the top was even more impressive.

>>1997254
>deliberately using dictator instead of 'Leader/Fuehrer'
>having the fucking impudence to imply that Napoleon wasn't a dictator

Gas yourself.

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>>1996551
>Napoleon was some royal who got a right to rule from being born to the right mother

>>1996551
>Hitler
>democratically elected

>>1997254
>Napoleon liberated Europe from feudalism
i don't like hitler but this is flat out making shit up

>>1997268
I don't use Germanic meme names
Call Panzers tanks
Call the Wehrmacht the German Army
Call the Luftwaffe the German Air Force
Call the Kriegsmarine the German Navy
Nobody else gets this done for them, the Germans are just special snowflakes who try to get their names used instead of perfectly adequate English equivalents.

>>1997278

>we peaceful krauts dindu nutting!, i-it was all that bad man and his party

>>1997451
t. complete faggot

Stop posting please

>>1997460
At least try giving him a counterargument nerd

Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

VIVE L'EMPEREUR!

>>1996386
russia

Neither came from much
Both were incredibly successful statesmen
Both took supreme power through force
Both were defeated in Russia
Both eventually fell to a coallition with Russia and Britain

But
Napoleon worked up through military merit, not hijacking a populist movement in a period of defitism

Napoleon won his democratic election to Consul via his military success, NOT by literally using gang style political violence to physically put down and bar political opposition

Napoleon promoted some of the most fundamental tenants of the liberal democracy that survive into contemporary history, extending the rights and liberties of the common man. Hitler obviously didn't.

Napoleon was an effective and beloved statesman to his final days winning the loyalty of armies sent to quell him in his comeback. Hitler had conspiracies to kill him and lost all popular support rapildly.

Napoleon's abilities and merit proved his military brilliance. German industrial capability showed through Hitler's success militarily. But was not resultant because of his abilities.

I believe the choice is clear. But since my concentration in Grad School is on various aspects of Roman civilization. Both objectively embody certain aspects of their legscy, but Hitler and the NSDAP remind me more of those Eugenicist ideological Hellenes who failed miserably.

>>1997285
it's not though, he guaranteed the spread of the french revolution which in turn abolished hereditary rights which then removed feudalism

>>1996551
>Napoleon
>royal

>>1996386
Both are disasters

>>1996409
>LARPer
As opposed to the guy who literally cosplayed as Caesar?

>>1997549
napoleon only made 2 mistakes

invading spain and being too aggressive in russia

>>1997268
>(TL's note: Fuehrer means dictator)

>>1997528
THIS

Despite all the bloodshed and devastation that Napoleon's wars and occupation of Europe caused, he left more to the world than Hitler could ever dream of.

Napoleon fought amongst his men; they admired and looked up to him. He was their leader, their father, the man who raised them from nothing into conquering heroes. Hitler served in the Western Front and was by no means a coward, but he never won the kind of wars or battles that Napoleon did.

And even to this day, Napoleon still invokes respect even amongst the nations he fought against, Churchill in particular admired Napoleon and hated any comparisons to Hitler:

>"It seems an insult to the great Emperor and warrior to connect him in any way with a squalid caucus boss and butcher.”
>“I certainly deprecate any comparison between Herr Hitler and Napoleon; I do not wish to insult the dead.”

>>1996858
Hitler gave them world domination.

>>1996386
Hitler

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>>1997254
>liberated from feudalism

>>1997460
>no argument at all
Nice try Hans

>>1997640
Have fun with that, literal peasant

>>1997651
>using peasant as an insult

>>1997640
You forgot the serf breaking his back at the age of 30, being conscripted to fight in some war over which king has a bigger dick and then dying of smallpox.

>>1996386
Napoleon becuase he could actually govern and lead in battle.

>>1997640

WTF I love slavery now

>>1997640
>hating on GMOs

Anti-science moron.

Hitler committed suicide due to his failures as a commander principally

Napoleon had to be put on an island and even then he fought his way off and turned Europe upside down basically on his own for half a year and almost got the throne back. So then they put him on an island in the middle of nowhere and forbade ships from visiting him. They couldn't even kill him he was so fucking great.

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>>1996386
>Hitler vs Napoleon

Fight night.
The greatest gladiator match in the history of the world: French versus Reich; day versus night; Son of Carlo versus lad of Braunau!

The Russians are coming!
The Russians are coming!

>>1998494
>hating nazi rocketry

anti-science shithead

>>1996386
Napoleon because he was a leftist like me

>>1996551
>true man of democracy
>abolished any semblance of democracy in his country

>>1996386
>Napoleon actually accomplished his goal of emperor
>Hitler just fucked up his military because he was a controlling idiot

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>>1996386

>>1996386

>history's greatest military mind
>autistic corporal

is this even a choice

How is this a thread? Like that guy early in the thread said, one's a military genius who, despite all the death he caused, changed Europe (really, the world) in dozens of ways, mostly for the better -- vs. an incompetent politician who refused to listen to his generals and murdered millions of people for literally no reason, leaving no positive legacy of his own at all.

>>1998783

Did Napoleon really kill millions though?

>>1998783
Could this post be any more spooked if it tried?

>>1998800
You're being a cheeky little shit, I get it, but in all seriousness, yes, he did.

Although obviously far more were military casualties vs. dudes gunned down for having the misfortune to be born Slavic or whatever.

>>1998752
>leftist
>no sense of nationalism
Yeah because the soviets totaly werent nationalists

>>1996386
they are the same guy

also i am literally the latest reincarnation, screencap this post i'm going to wreck europe's shit again

If you are severally retarded you would chose Hitler. Napoleon is the only choice.

>>1999098
No I'm that guy

Fuck off fraud

>>1998616
>Napoleon actually accomplished his goal of emperor
>Hitler actually accomplished his goal of Fuhrer

Do you idiots even think before you post?

>>1996386
Hitler because at least he's not French.

>>1996948
>From a common soldier
Napoleon was not born a commoner.

>>1996386
Who ruined Europe more you mean?

It's hard to tell.

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Great choice of lads, OP.

Together, they form the ultimate leader.
If you stacked one on top of the other they'd probably be the height of an average man too.

>>1996386
Both of them were gamblers

>>1999638
Hitler was above average.

>>1999113
>>1999098
>guy

Haha, those delusional folks are actually trying to roleplay as me. Get it right next time.

>>1996386
Napoleon blows Hitler clean out of the water.

Hell, Angela Merkel blows Hitler clean out of the water.

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>>1996386

Napoleon was everything stormfags pretend Hitler was.

>>2000159
You expressed it perfectly.

Hitler was a fraud. Napoleon was the man Hitler tried to be.

>>1996386
>>1412715

trump

>>2000159
You posted it on /pol/ too

>>>/pol/100213645

This board really is a /pol/ colony...

Nappy by far

>>2000361
>This board really is a /pol/ colony...

no shit sherlock

go back to /leftypol/

>>1996386
No comparisson. Napoleon.

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>>1999881
Step aside pretender for I am the true Napoleon man that will ravage Europe once more. I can prove it too by murdering a poor pawnbroker and her sister because idgaf about human life. If Napoleon can kill millions to get what he wants than my act of killing proves I am great and willing to sacrifice any other life for my own glory.

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>>2000393

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>Napoleon
>created Germany and unified Germans
>Hitler
>ruined Germany

>>1999651
napoleon was too for his time
ignore the memes

>>2000361
>legitimate post
>bait posts for /pol/
>not being able to distinguish the two
this board is literally a reddit colony*

>>1998811
But Napoleon wasn't solely responsible for the wars, unlike Hitler, so it's unfair to blame him for all the deaths

>>1999651
So was Napoleon

>>1998805
nice argument, you sure told him

>>1997589
Have most powerful military nation in Europe.
Fail invading southern neighbor
Fail at defeating the only unified country to the east.

Have literally medieval tier logistics was his problem

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>>1996386
Boney!

>>2001188
thanks

>>1996386
Napoleon seems like a more competent leader assuming equal forces.

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>>1996386
no contest

>>1996386
Hitler

I love seeing Germans running head-first into a wall. They are like lemmings.

>>1996551
I'm from /pol/ and even I frown upon you

Hitler was the 5th time Germany destroyed Europe, and Napoleon was the 1st time France ruined it, so Napoleon wins out of originality.

>>2001271
>fail invading southern border
he shat on spain

>fail at defeating the only unified country to the east
austria was far more "unified" than russia was at the time
and he didn't even fail defeating them, he failed at enforcing the embargo the second time

>have medieval tier logistics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_logistics
>Until theNapoleonic wars, the military supply was ensured by looting,requisitionor private companies. In 1807, Napoleon created the firstTrainregiments, entirely dedicated to the supply and the transport of the equipment.

cant tell if this was a serious post or if it was a stealthy way of pointing out all the flaws napoleon didn't have

>>2000398
This is the strongest case for Hitler over Napoleon in this thread

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Hitler......Napoleon was a tyrant.

Napoleon.

Napoleon conquered for the sake of conquering. Hilter conquered for the most idiotic ideology: "muh genes are better! nanana~"

>>1996386
Nappy, how is that even a contest

>>1996386
>implying we have to choose
Combine both of them and give me a wet dream.

>>1997451
What about the Grande Armée or the Garde Impériale?

>>2001427
How did Germany run into a wall but Napoleon did not? Both Hitler and Napoleon failed at conquering Russia, and arguably warfare at the time of Napoleon was a lot more simple and small-scale.

>>1997589
Also, his dumb siblings.

>>2002024
>Napoleon conquered for the sake of conquering. Hilter conquered for the most idiotic ideology: "muh genes are better! nanana~"

You don't know much about history, do you?
Napoleon conquered mostly in self-defense because reactionary monarchies kept attacking him
Hitler conquered either for "vital space", either to fight communism, not for race stuff

>>1996551
This

>>2003730
>Hitler conquered either for "vital space", either to fight communism, not for race stuff
>Hitler didn't conquer for living space for what he considered a racially superior group

>>1996386
Napoleon.
That was easy.

>>2000361
Reality has a /pol/ bias

>>2003730
>not for race stuff
Anon please the whole lebensraum thing was based on the fact that the germanic people were superior to the untermensch and so had the right to take their land.

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>>1996386
how the fuck is this even a challenge?
>the most charismatic person in france at the time, raises through the ranks by outskilling everyone else including the eternalanglo, men want to be like him/women want him to be inside them
vs
>angry basement dweller that rose to power by inciting hate and mobbing the simple minded masses

napoleon became a legend because he was the best, hitler became a leader because he just said he would fuck things up... and eventually he did.
just don't forget: there's nothing the germans like more than a suicide war.

>>1998783
>>1998800
he did, although pretty much all the times france had war declared on by the anglos and their lapdogs or they started a defensive war.
so it shouldn't be the "napoleonic wars" but the "british wars"

but keep in mind that napoleon had a genocide commited in his name in haiti - right after reinstating slavery.
but one can always say that unlike hitler, this wasn't because he saw slavery as something to be applied to every non-german person but more like the means to an end.

>>1999291
he came from a pennyless household with some minor titles.
their parents had to save for years to pay for his studies in france - where he went to become an officer.

it was all about hardworking, specially for a corsican with a strange accent being bullied during all of his youth.