Why has the Right-Wing Intellegenstia become so shit?

Survivor effect.

There's a reason all of the music from the 50s is good: no one saved the garbage.

The Right has plenty of intellectual figures, no one has collated their works and spent years analyzing their influences.

Your disliking of the """""right""""" blinds you to seeking out material on your own.

>>1990992
I don't dislike the right, I am right-wing.

Most of the material I have sought has been absolute shit.

What about Nick Land and Mencius Moldbug?

>>1991035
>What about Nick Land and Mencius Moldbug?
Proving his point.

>>1991035
Both shit.

>>1991035
>What about Nick Land and Mencius Moldbug?

Not right-wing at all. They are just nihilistic opportunists.

because political liberty isn't as relevant as it once was anymore since we're no longer suffering under the jackboot of absolute monarchs any more

the argument has shifted to rights when it pertains to the economy, as we're under the jackboot of transnational corporations and capitalism as a whole

Read Nozick dummy

Because Right Wing philosophers finished the job, while lefties never held a job

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>1991145
>because political liberty isn't as relevant as it once was anymore

The sentiment of every authoritarian personality. Just because it doesn't seem relevant to you doesn't mean it isn't relevant.

I mean, part of the reason the West is powerful and rich is because of it's individual liberty, but you're free to deny that at your peril.

>>1991035
>Moldbug
NrX are autistic Bronys of the right.

>>1990968
What are you talking about Milo is based

The real answer is that conservatism is part of right-wing politics and right-wingers gain power and positions of influence while lefties waste all their time on theory and academia

>>1991168
He's literally the Wal-Mart version of right-wing.

>Why has the Right-Wing Intellegenstia become so shit?
Compared to what op? Compared to the left wing intelligentsia? You're fooling no one op.

>>1991166
There are a bunch of scetchy frenchmen like benoist and fayee (Anarchofuturism is batshit insane russiacucked crap tho) who are active now.

Also that dugin in russia, but he is creepy at best instead of profound.
Concerning the 60s, you still have Ernst Jünger being alife and that guy was so good, even the left today has to respect him at least even if they hate him.

Then there is Hitchens and his brother.

>>1991161
I didn't say it wasn't relevant.

I just said the means to feed and house yourself are more relevant today than political liberties are. People's entire livelihoods are up to the whims of how profitable they are to whatever department of whatever corporation they work for.

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>>1991185

oh peter...

>>1991190
These things have always been true you materialist sperg.

The collective student debt in America is something like 1.4 trillion dollars, which means that people are more educated than they have ever been in the history of the world, and education usually translates as higher pay, so I find it interesting that you're talking about getting a livelihood as if we are living in 1840s London.

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>>1990968
>proper Conservatives, that believed in freedom and limiting the state

What about Stefan Molyneux?

>>1991205

not an argument

>>1991198
concepts of political liberty were developed when most people still lived on farms and owned their own generational homes in full and made their own shoes and didn't have to worry about being fired from their corporate job and no longer being able to make rent or buy food

>>1991198
>The collective student debt in America is something like 1.4 trillion dollars

>which means that people are more educated than they have ever been in the history of the world
>and education usually translates as higher pay

stop lmao, I'm dying of laughter

Thank Reagan and his allegiance with Jerry Falwell for that.

It seems that ever since that happened, right wingers have been nothing but retarded religious zealots, or Randroids

>>1991219
It is true as a generality. People who have at least a Bachelor's degree will not be coal miners.

>>1991217
>didn't have to worry about being fired from their corporate job and no longer being able to make rent or buy food

And most people in a 1st world country don't have to worry about that either because most of them have comprehensive social welfare safety nets.

Even Social Security in America is worth over a trillion dollars; which is ironic because it's a country that superficially repudiates that sort of thing.

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>macyntyre
>Dugin
>John Kekes
>Roger Scrouton
>Benoist
>Charles Taylor
>Sloterdijk

I am sorry you are not up-to-date OP. Just know that Post-modernism has infiltrated all spectres of academia. Egalitarianism is to blame for the lack of respect for being well-read, so ofcourse you won't be getting much conservative scholar figures like Toynbee.

OP here.

How come all the bad posts in this thread are from /pol/?

You are not genuine Conservatives, you never were and you never will be.

>>1991306
>Egalitarianism is to blame for the lack of respect for being well-read

lolno, i'm pretty sure it's because most people who are well-read are simply smug assholes who want to win an argument.

>>1990968
Freedom and limiting the state are both left wing ideals

>>1991205
>right wing
>believes in free markets and a stateless anarchist society

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

>>1991306
>Dugin

L M A O

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>>1991312
>How come all the bad posts in this thread are from /pol/?

really?
what would you expect from a group that has flunked 9th grade algebra 3 times?

how about John Michael Greer? He's a "moderate Burkean conservative" who writes about a bunch of shit broadly centered around the future of industrial civilization
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2016/05/a-few-notes-on-burkean-conservatism.html

Right wing and intellectual are practically a contradiction.

It is a fundamentally anti-intellectual movement. The fact you're posting Burke is evidence of this. The one guy people can kind of agree on being sort of intellectual and also a voice for conservatism. That's one in 200+ years followed by some fake mumblings of "the list goes on" when it in fact does not.

Conservativism's problem is that it is by nature an apology for establishment power and order, no matter where it comes from. So by nature it's irrationally romantic as both hard line USSR communists and absolutist monarchists can be equally conservative in their respective societies. Also the status quo power almost always favors irrationality and populist conformity over in depth complex analysis of their own systems to rationally justify themselves. Honest critical analysis on things involving politics and society will therefore always trend liberal/left.

Most popular "conservatism" is vague propaganda meant for mass consumption made by a small elite of "noble" liars.

>actually holds fundamental beliefs of Liberty and restricting the powers of the state?
See, here's the problem. Someone like that would be a leftist. All meaningful civil liberties movements have been such. Conservatives are the people that use the word "liberty" as useful pleasing rhetoric while being in actuality on the side of the guys holding the guns during something like the Kent State shootings.

The only place the right wing have a chance at being intellectual are the few areas where liberals have turned into the new conservatives, championing establishment orthodox belief that promises justice and order if only we give blind conformity while raging against any dangerous cynical examination and critique.

That is, anything to do with: race, eugenics, tabula rasa, social identity, and feminism.

>>1990968

>implying the left is any better with their "MUH PRONOUNS IM SO TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW!" and aging old faggot bitching about why his super special and original form of socialism would have been the best is any better

>>1991321
It's a dialectical thing. Since WW2 the people at education departments in the white western countries wanted everyone to be educated, which meant they put value in being educated as being a good thing. But at the same time your societies were swept by post-modernism which doesn't give value to hierarchy of any kind(all narratives are equal) and this contradicts putting value on being educated in the first place.

The students in the soviet block were smarter regarding general knowledge exactly because of keeping the value of education as an important thing in society(imitating the Prussian Education system). Same thing with Japan. Nationalism also is a big tool of getting people to be more well-read on a mass level. In the world of american cultural hegemony, that is not going to happen, since the USA is a country that didn't have Nationalism.

>>1990968
because centuries ago we still had fucking royalists

your "right-wing intellectuals" were far far far to the left

>>1991354
Well you're ignoring the fact that the original goal of the Prussian Education System was to make obedient and nationalistic soldiers.

The question is what you consider "well-read". Reading propaganda for 10 years makes you a propagandist for example, not well-read.

>>1991237
>Even Social Security in America is worth over a trillion dollars
America actually has a ridiculously wide safety net. Larger than most of Europe for sure.

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>>1990968
>proper Conservatives, that believed in freedom and limiting the state

kek. It's funny how America is so liberal that even their conservative movement is based in classic liberalism.

True conservatism is Saudi Arabia, OP. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

>>1991395
>The question is what you consider "well-read"
In a well-read society almost everyone has heard of the literature classics of the his continent, knows basic world history(greece>roman empire>post 1492 world in the least) and knows a bit of the hard sciences. I actually think /pol/ is a good thing to happen to anglocucks on 4chan, since the might learn some general knowledge.

>>1991413
>In a well-read society almost everyone has heard of the literature classics of the his continent, knows basic world history(greece>roman empire>post 1492 world in the least) and knows a bit of the hard sciences.
Fucking kek. How old are you? There isn't and has never been a society like this

>>1991409
true conservatism is identifying and conserving the good parts of society, while making sure that changes will cause more benefits than harm, using historical evidence instead of grand ideals and theories

>>1991419
Early 20th century western europe and mid-to-late soviet block, the golden era of the Nation-State.

I do think the mass euphoria in those days was because there were many people who were first generation literate. And those wanted to imitate the upper-class who were still a thing back then. I don't know much about this thing regarding the US, but The Closing of the American Mind did touch upon this subject in great detail. Apparently even the rednecks knew bible on a cultural level.

>>1991035
I'm a reactionary myself and NrX is the biggest collections of autists and spergs I've ever came across. Literally I WANT A CYBERPUNK HIERARCHICAL SOCIETY WHERE AUTISTIC PROGRAMMERS LIKE ME ARE THE ARISTOCRACY AND I WANT TO MAKE ANIMU REAL: the ideology. It frankly fucking disgusts me that these pizza faced fucks get even associated with traditional reaction just because of the name.

And as for Land, he's a guy who worships technology and intelligence to the point of idolatry and literally thinks it's okay if a supreme AI wipes out humanity.

>>1991406
america also has far more people than your average european country.

>>1991204
this

>>1991430
>many people who were first generation literate. And those wanted to imitate the upper-class who were still a thing back then.
I can vouch for this. My grandfather was born in 1913 in rural Croatia and people of his generation were constantly reading and eschewed tv.

>>1991348
>Right wing and intellectual are practically a contradiction.
I am a leftist and feel the same about anarchists, communists and liberals.
Especially the first two are engaged in pipe dreams and questionable or outdated theories.

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>>1991406
>America actually has a ridiculously wide safety net. Larger than most of Europe for sure.

>>1991445
>communism
>outdated theory
>implying that we shouldn't move towards utopian society because that's "outdated"
wew lad

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If you don't believe in competitive capitalism you don't believe in freedom. Period.

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>>1991446
You're the second biggest net spender in the world as a percentage of gdp, which is particularly significant since you've a highest gdp per capita than most other nations.
The US spends a shitload of money on actual handouts, most of the european expenditure is healthcare and pension plans.

>>1991456
so i believe in stateless tribal communism that means i dont believe in freedom

>>1991490
Not the guy you're arguing with but I'm pretty sure that graph is not saying what you think it is saying. If we're talking about government spending, I believe you should only be looking at the dark blue bars representing gross public social expenditure. The light blue, gross private social expenditure, is like private charities, not what is being discussed. Based on that, American public spending is very low, it's only made up by lots of private charity.

>>1991535
No, the light blue is meant to represent private pension plans and private healthcare insurance actually.

>>1991550
So my point still stands. When people talk about a "social safety net" they are talking about government programs, not private insurance

>>1990968
Edmund Burke at the time was a proper whig who were at the time the most-left wing members of parliament.

>>1990968

There are good right wingers, they're not gigantic idiots like mr Edmund "if the population is fine with it, I guess it's cool" Burke

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>>1990968
The state took over education as a result of leftist policies.

Whenever the government takes over an industry it fills up with leftists. So there are no right wingers in academia.

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>>1990968
Chiang Kai Check, Lee, Salazar, ... didn't need court intellectuals. Typically the right wing doesn't need or care about court intellectuals, if anything they mistrust them.

Also the problem lies probably more on the fact you simply don't know the guys because they are not talked about much in academia and "established" circles.

I'm thinking of people like Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy, Helmut Schoeck, Bertrand de Jouvenel, Voegelin, Leo Strauss, ...

I love all the people, but at some point it becomes tiring. In the end, you are faced with endless variants of collectivists and you just ant to be left the fuck alone.

Also Edmund Burke is second rate. Turgot is the real deal from the 18th century. The fact you chose bloody Burke as your example makes me doubt what you are after. If you want wankery and "intellectualism" you're not going to find much of it in the right wing.

>>1991345
>the archdruid report

go to bed john

>>1991668
>monarchy is better than democracy because I want it to be
Burke is first rate because he's free from retarded communism-tier ideology like that

>>1991348
>Someone like that would be a leftist. All meaningful civil liberties movements have been such.

Where do you live where the "left" has usually been the party against collectivism? Or is it some ebin "intellectual" form of "freedom" you are talking about? Because here it is very clear that it is freedom from others. Our leftists never tried to co-opt the terms freedom, liberty, etc. They openly shill against individualism.

>>1991693
>monarchy is better than democracy because I want it to be
Who are you trying to strawman here?

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>right-wing intellectuals

>>1991692
what's wrong with the archdruid report?

>>1991348
Hm, this post might have convinced me that my Conservative nature is actually a sham.

>>1991710
I just looked at that guy's wikipedia, saw something about him criticizing democracy and calling himself a monarchist, and decided to shitpost

>>1991731
The man was from Austria if that's an element about preferring monarchy. Tbh he was minarchist so calling himself monarchist was probably shitposting on his part too.

>>1991727
Really makes you think.

>>1991312
>Individual liberty
>Limiting the state
>Classical conservative

It's possible that you are the retard, OP

>>1991766
Have you ever actually read Burke?

Limited Government is a popular term rooted in Burke

>>1991147
this, and murray rothbard

>>1991348
Or have you considered that the left doesn't allow space for dissenting opinion in academia?

>>1990968
Because conservative thinking has become politically incorrect. The things right-wing thinkers can write about nowadays is a critique of Western society; Western society in and of itself has largely become multicultural and, in extension, has become the biggest problem to contemporary society since it leads to the division of people resulting in the use of identity politics for political parties to gain the vote of the masses. Hence, the most important thing, or more specifically, the most novel thing or most burning subject, right-wing thinkers can write about is how we should move away from multiculturalism and embrace civic nationality once more.

This is obviously very politically incorrect in our society and thus finds little traction with the broader array of academic thinking because no one likes to be branded a racist, especially if that causes you to lose your career and lifelyhood.

>>1990968
Most don't go to college or go to business school or some shit, thus aren't exposed to critical thinking, writing or forming good arguments

>>1991837
Wow, you really thought you were writing something interesting.

>>1991845
>Going to my humanities course does however
Is what you're implying. But guess what: it's bullshit.
Breaking news: in a STEM vs humanities debates the so-called critical thinkers usually resort to emotional appeals and hysterical shaming of the opposition.
Didn't you go to university?

>>1991858
>Hehe if I disqualify what you said by pretending that we don't shun any dissenting views my authoritarian behavior will be ignored
Shygddt

jews

>>1991873
Yeah, that's it, call me a leftist.

Your original post was a boring diatribe.

>>1990968
>that believed in freedom and limiting the state
t.hasn't read Burke.

All intelligentsia has gone to shit.

>>1991890
It wasn't mine, you paranoid twat.
You sound like you're trying to pretend the university and media enviroment isn't extremely hostile.
Have you ever TRIED to voice a dissenting opinion somewhere that wasn't 4chan?
G-sus kid.

>>1991591
He was an old whig.What we usually call classical liberalism. The new whigs were closer to the ideals of the french/american revolution than Burke was

>>1991912
I express those opinions daily in the real world.

Try being less of a queer in real life or surround yourself with better individuals, dork.

>>1991668
Burke isn't second tier.He was just able to beat them at the game that they were playing.Lefties intelectuals are just sophists

>>1991932
>surround yourself with better individuals

That's the point I was trying to make anon. Your personal circle of friends, or people who you have these discussions with, is not the world at large

>>1991900
This. It's the same with the left, it used to be about historical dialectics and stuff, at least they made an effort. Nowadays it's about privilege, safe places, and shit. We're in post-politic times I guess.

>>1991932
Man, you're a sheltered son of a bitch.
>My circles aka echochamber represent how academia works

>>1991959
I've expressed incredibly hostile and fringe opinions in Universities and public places before, yes there are some who will be angered but I tend to find most people will converse with you as most people enjoy a good private debate/conversation and most tend to respect you for violently disagreeing with them. It's a breath of fresh air.

Obviously you only see the nutjobs in the media, but who cares about the media lol, they're driven by market forces and how many views they can get to increase their ad revenue. Anyone who takes media footage or attitudes as representative of the public is very retarded. I tend to find most people in daily life or in passing have a capacity for goodness or rationality.

>>1991858
He's right you know

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>>1991858
>>1991890
Wow, you really believe that calling someone's opinions boring and uninteresting is a legitimate argument.

Lmao

>>1991969
Read this post, thanks. I went to Uni for 5 years so don't try to dictate to me what academia is like. I doubt you even graduated.

>>1991971

>>1991978
Who said it was an argument? It was a statement with the intent of attacking his stupid diatribe.

>>1991942
Perhaps. It seems like all this "intellegentsia" is bullshit to me.

I don't know if I wouldn't put Henry Ford or Michelin at least on equal footing with the writers I mentioned in the previous post.

>>1991982
>Who said it was an argument?

If you're not gonna involve yourself in a discussion, why even post?

>It was a statement with the intent of attacking his stupid diatribe.

Oh right, literal shitposting lel

>>1991971
I guess it depends on what university you go to. When I went to UvA you were harassed from espousing ideas that didn't conform to established ideology.

It was less so at the University of Utrecht which I think is a very good institution. Also Ljubljana seems to be quite open to debate. With the general population, however, I've found that it is very hard, especially with women, to engage in discussions where politically incorrect ideas are entertained or presented.

I envy you

>>1991979
My entire family has graduated from university, and it was the same old bullshit for all of them, despite all of us going to different institutions.
So fuck off with the "y-you didn't even graduate! How can you say academia isn't a religion of peace! Behead those who insult chomsky (pbuh)"

>>1991789
>Murray "the cops must be unleashed" Rothbard
Proving OP's point

>>1990968
Because there are no major political movements on the right that are remotely intellectual, pretty much every form of the right today is either inherently anti-intellectual or subscribes to anti-intellectual thinking to some degree.

Anarcho-capitalists reject too much mainstream economics and subscribe to too many conspiracy theories to be intellectual. You can't create a viable political and economic system which disregards externalities entirely.

Libertarians have the potential to be more intellectual, but the movement is riddled with conspiracy theorists, and most libertarians are too obsessed with the core of their ideology to do anything about it, as if restricting wackjobs from speaking in libertarian circles is a form of censorship. Intellectual libertarians will be shunned by folks who literally believe academia is a Jewish conspiracy of some sort designed to destroy liberty.

Alt-right is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. It is another "muh Jewish conspiracy in academia" movement, except in this movement it isnt a fringe that the mainstream refuses to get rid of, they are the mainstream in that movement.

Mainstream conservatives have become reactionary, nationalist, and isolationist. There isn't much intellectual here too. Neo-conservatives were intellectual to an extent, but the movement is dead (and thank God for that).

Maybe in the future there will be a resurgence of conservative intelligentsia, but in the state of modern conservatism I just don't see it.

>>1991185
Chris Hitchens definitely considered himself a leftist when he was younger, and was pretty centralized later on.

Peter is like that classic pain in the ass uncle that give you a dirty look for dating a girl with tattoos and shit

>>1991831
t. someone who has never been in a university

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>>1992125

>>1990968
There are many current right-wing intellectuals, but unfortunately for you they aren't libertarian faggots who value "muh liberty" over everything else.

>>1992162
Let's be real, it's not like there's much of a left wing intelligentsia either.

The Democrat has the business wing, and it has the social justice wing. Nobody likes either one, but at least the business wing knows how to run a country, which is more than can be said for any segment of the American right.

>>1990968
>When will a genuine intellectual movement rise in the right-wing that isn't autistic and actually holds fundamental beliefs of Liberty and restricting the powers of the state?

But that's inherently anti-authoritarian, therefore leftists. So answer to your questiong would be "When will leftists call for traditional values".

>>1990968

Marxists have taken control of the intelligentsia, which is why all western politicians are the same thing

>>1992188
>t. A faggot trying to defend his practices by pretending they aren't real
Want me to post proof, bitch? If I did you still wouldn't budge or would you?
Goddamn asshole, if I posted some videos from the local universities you'd probably bitch "hurr but those people don't represent the academic landscape"

>>1990968
>in europe
Patriotism and nationalism are dirty words, socialism is the norm and personal freedoms arnt as important as multiculturalism

>america
Protestantism embedded in right wing philosophy, and a general culture of 'right wing' is seen as uneducate

>middle east
No wings as political turmoil and limited freedom makes things like philosphy hard

>india and china
Incapable

>koreas
Joke states with cults leading them

>japan
Culture is right wing in general but they are too self centric

>south america and mexico
Same problems as the middle east

>anglosphere
Only ones able to atm but have yet to do so

>>1991306
>>Charles Taylor

The philosopher/sociologist? Never struck me as particularly right-wing.

Do apologist of power count as conservative intellectuals? People like Samuel Huntington, Henry Kissinger and Christopher Hitchens.

>>1992977
>Left & Right Wing thinking.
>Outside the West/Lat-Am

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During the 1960s, left-wing students brought armed thugs into universities and demanded the exclusion of everyone to the right of Marcuse.

>>1991890
>boring diatribe
Literally not an argument.

>>1991918
I know. But nonetheless if we're to apply left-right thinking to late 18th century Britain then the Whigs are decidedly on the left, though not all whigs were as left-wing as another.

My point was more that society has shifted so radically to the left that even though by contemporary standards Burke was very progressive he's retroactively considered almost a reactionary.

>>1991168
milo is the philosophical equivalent to a strippers tattoo that says "live, love, life" or some banal shit. he's the absolute lowest common denominator of right-wing intellectualism

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What are some good hyper-reactionary authors?

>>1994298
I'm not sure if by hyper-reactionary you mean primmies or radical regular-reactionaries.

David Horowitz

What about Jared Taylor? Probably the most intellectual person that has any association with the American far right.

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>>1991912
>You sound like you're trying to pretend the university and media enviroment isn't extremely hostile.

It's not that liberals have become more liberal. It's that conservatives have gone full reactionary.

>>1991443
Je li deda bio ustaša ili partizan?

>>1994539

>It's that conservatives have gone full reactionary.

So they've actually gone right wing for once? Anything to the left of a reactionary is left-wing.

>>1994315
>figures like Buckley from the 1960s are shit and get off on a wide array of vocabulary without substance.
This applies to Taylor as well. He has never had an original thought and simply rephrases what /pol/ users say with bigger words. He and everyone else associated with the alt-right compiles racial statistics into sentences and tries to pass them off as his own thoughts.

>>1990968
>complains about right-wing intelligentsia
>misspells it
Really gets my noggin joggin.

>>1990968
>fundamental beliefs of Liberty and restricting the powers of the state
That is not conservatism but liberalism. For any sane, non-American person at least...

>>1994758
>haha ill attack a misspelling of two letters thatll show him

really makes you think

>>1991771
Burke was a whig.

>>1994762
Just shows me that you are in no position to make a valid statement on conservative political theory when you even misspell intelligence and its derivative words

>>1990968
Because revolutions happened and the formerly revolutionary body of thought became orthodox.
Conservatism is an attitude, not an ideology unto itself, and as such it neither relies on nor encourages endless formulation of social theory like the self-appointed revolutionaries.

>>1994774
I'm not OP, paranoid?

Just shows me that you are in no position to use English when you didn't capitalise 'Conservative' or use a period at the end of your sentence.

>>1990968
>believed in freedom and limiting the state
>conservative
Are you an american republicuck?

>>1994702
>This applies to Taylor as well. He has never had an original thought and simply rephrases what /pol/ users say with bigger words.
He was writing about the topic long before 4chan was a thing.

>>1991223
The coal miners of today are the baristas and waiters.

>>1991354
>USA is a country that didn't have Nationalism.

What? They're the most nationalistic country in the Western world.

>>1994803

Conservatives in the Anglosphere believe in small government for the most part along with individual freedoms.

>>1992162
What's so anti-intellectual about nationalism and isolationism?

Does disagreeing with facetious enlightenment philosphy hurt your fee fees?

>>1990968
Right wing is such a loose term whereas left wing is pretty set in stone.

In reality these are outdated concepts from the French Revolution with no true bearing today.

>>1992330
>the republican party is leftist

>>1994175
>>1994175
He was consider a conservative at the time.That is why the whig party splitted in 2

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>>1991160

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>>1990968
Burke is overrated as a "conservative" philosopher. His Whiggism stunted both the "right" and "left" in Anglo-modelled "democracies", though (by design) the left is stunted less, so "Burkean conservatism" means that "progress" treds gingerly instead of marching with jackboots over everything.

>>1991166
That doesn't mean anything other than "I like Nazi aesthetic more".

>>1990992
>There's a reason all of the music from the 50s is good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLka7gxpivw

>>1991306
has he delivered his june 2516 surprise yet?

>>1990968
Ben Shapiro

>>1995310
That's the point. Change should be approached cautiously, not recklessly like the left, or with complete denial like the right.

Right-wingers lack quantity, but in terms of quality, they are much stronger than left-wingers.

Alasdair MacIntyre is probably the greatest living philosopher.

And, if you want to talk about the sad state of an intellectual side, take a look at this

http://rightlyconsidered.org/2016/09/26/did-swinburne-get-swindled/

This is the elite of liberal intelligentsia

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>>1990968

>>1995312
>not liking rockabilly
Cool your jets, daddy-o.

>>1995010
>the worst thing about coal mining is the low pay
lmao

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The right wing back then was what today we call the left. Things like freedom and smaller government is a completely left thing nowadays.


There is no such thing as an authentic ring wing, nor will it always be, because they all follow the linear progress that started with the enlightenment, scientific method and of course liberalism and capitalism. So whatever is today deemed as "conservative" or "right wing" tomorrow is going to be analyzed as nothing but a continuation of the progressivist mindset of Europeans.

I would go so far as to say, that there was never a right wing in Europe's history ever. Because it was relative to the position of authority and power and it still is today.

If i would ever think of what a true ring wing would look like, then it would be an antithesis of individualism and progress, and more about family and the nature of time as a continuous cycle, like in Asia.

That's what struck me most in the romanian right wing intellectuals of the 30's anyways.

>>1991035
To call Nick Land 'right' is reductionist and 'conservative' is downright bullshit

Moldbug is a complete fucking moron that selectively and inaccurately uses history to promote his ideology through example

>>1990968
Because right wing basis is alredy stablished and most right wing thinkers were just pragmatic lawyers/nobles that didn't even bother writting autistic manifestos full of empty concepts an ideals.

>>1991205
>What about Stefan Molyneux?
the biggest clown in the circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoZBfz7r0U

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The left happily draw on the extreme left for energy and inspiration whereas the right will not "go there" in regards to thinkers like Geunon, Heidegger, and Evola. You have a thinker like Roger Scruton that will never go beyond Kant's liberalism with some romantic aesthetics and begrudging bourgeois attitudes thrown in. He will not even dare consider anti-democratic or authoritarian ideas, non-bourgeois ideas. You may have a "communist phase" as a teenager, but not a "fascist phase". These far left ideas are moderated into a soft-left progressive position in adulthood.

Some of the new right in France have incorporated thinkers like Gramsci because they are anti-bourgeois, and the true right is opposed to capitalism and the bourgeoisie. The modern """right""" are liberal/whig capitalists and champions of the status quo.

>>1990968

The democratization of publishing results in a cultural blurring and makes it more difficult to pick out truly insightful minds from the crowd. More commonly we will single out and uplift individuals based on one particular fleeting work, then rescind our praise if the following work doesn't measure up. We don't have the benefit of hindsight either.

>>1990968
Read this OP, this might open your eyes a bit.

http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-rise-of-the-jewish-policy-elite-meritocracy-myth-and-power/

>>1996911
>>1997081
To be honest, the same is true for the left. They do incorporate thinkers from the right, like Martin Heidegger and Carl Schmitt.

When the left–right political spectrum began, in the late XVIIIth century, the "leftists" were people who believe in a systematic approach to society, derived from "science" and "reason", while the "rightists", like de Maistre, Chateaubriand and Taine valued changeability as an inherent part of the historical process, and criticized grand metanarratives of progress.

Comes the 20th century, this position becomes associated with the far-left, while the right takes a technocratic approach. Michel Foucault, without the trappings of Marxist rhetoric and terminology, is in essence an extremely reactionary thinker in this sense, while someone like Christopher Hitchens, who's been associated with the right, is in essence a Jacobin/Trotskyist.

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>>1997162
I think that has something to do with people considering aesthetics over the essence in politics. Michel Foucault was stepped in leftist aesthetics, he wrote in Marxist terminology, associated with left-wing intellectuals and students, but his thinking is by essence reactionary.

One example that illustrates my point: during the XIXth century, in countries like France, Italy, Spain, attempts by the elite to impose private property in rural areas met fierce opposition by peasants who wanted to keep their traditional rights, these peasants supported movements like the Vendee in France, Carlism in Spain and Brigandage in Southern Italy, that was considered reactionary, monarchist and clerical.

During the XXth century, the same process repeated in Latin America, in countries like Mexico, Brazil and Colombia. But this time, instead of using Catholic and monarchist aesthetics and following disgraced nobles, these peasants joined communist groups and followed left-wing intellectuals. So the exact same kind of movement, motivated by the same historical process, that was considered "right-wing" in the XIXth century in Europe, became "left-wing" in 20th century Latin America, because of a mere change in aesthetics.

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>>1990968
>men such as Edmund Burke who were proper Conservatives
>Revolutions are bad because people get hurt
>France is the root of all evil because they executed a king after having gathered substantial evidence of his cooperation with foreign powers against the state and gave him a trial where he was given the opportunity to defend himself
>The reign of Terror was a horrible way to suppress Royalist uprisings that were on the verge of tearing the country apart, but the Bloody Code is a perfectly acceptable way to maintain order in times of peace
If Burke was an American today, he'd vote Clinton.

>>1994764

Whigs believed in the expansion of personal liberty. This is consanguineous with limited government.

>>1997162
>>1997186

10/10

The only relevant ideas any more are capitalism and evolution. Conservatives don't understand either of them, so they have nothing useful to say.

>>1991348
Interesting

>>1995010
So who is mining all the coal?

>>1991223
>>1995010

Do you think coal miners work for minimum wage you stupid fuck? The lowest miner earns like 60k upwards, the engineers and other miners with STEM degrees up to 250k.

>>1990968
some argue that this era doesn't lack great thinkers, it is overwhelmed with them.

there are many many Ph D. level political scholars all vying for limited academic funds. So naturally the will be no single voice that rises above the others.

This is not an era of great individual thinkers. It's one of great ideas.

>>1997162

That's why there needs to be done a European synthesis between eastern and western school of thought in regards to politics, the nature of man and his relation to society.


Something inbetween that doesn't reject the founding principles of liberalism from the 18th century, but doesn't embrace them either. A social philosophy for the masses that values faith, family and nation above all, without neccessarily being another political fringe on the spectrum

And like i said in my previous post. Asians are the true right wing imo. They don't put stock in individualism, liberalism or capitalism, as long as the tradition of respecting your family and the political authority above you, is respected by a sacred unwritten rule.


Basically something like christian orthodox religion, but with the elements of politics in it.

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The modern right needs another Chesterton. Somebody who can point out with wit and good humor how things used to be better.

>>1995186
>Pro-Catholic emancipation
>Pro-American revolution
>Basically a proto-nationalist
>Conservative

Yeah, no. Being to the right of the French revolution didn't exactly make anyone alive at the time a conservative any more than being to the right of the USSR makes anyone a conservative now.

>>1998037
This

>>1991014
Maybe time to reevaluate your ideology then, my dude.

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>>1990968
If you're speaking about the American right wing, it has become decidedly anti-intellectual. Educated professionals and the intellectual elite are the enemy, so of course there can't be any "great intellectual right-wing thinkers" in America - or at least none that could present themselves as such and be accepted by the movement. Anyone the average Joe feels he couldn't share a beer with is straight out.

This, obviously, wasn't always the case, however. If anything, back in the days of the Dixiecrats, it used to be quite the opposite. It also isn't at all the case in Europe, where acceptance of education and intellectualism among the right is as strong as ever.

But here, sadly, while ruthlessness and cunning are still positive traits, being perceived as knowledgeable and educated, beyond a minimum degree, has become a political liability among the right.

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>>1991628
>classical liberals
>rightwing

it is such a sad state of political economy we live in today

>>1997228
as opposed to the good ol' neo nazis who voted trump to secure a future for the white race.

>>1992162
Which political part do you affiliate with?

>>1996911
Julius Evola was close.