Which event exactly made Hitler or the Nazi Party in general

Wittgenstein triggered the fuck out of hitler when he was a kid.

>unaware that germany has always been somewhat antisemetic

Hitler didn't start antisemitism in Germany. In fact, he didn't even start post-WW1 antisemitism in Germany. That was Ludendorff and his "stab in the back" spiel back in 1919.

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>>1969284
He though that he cause of the loss of Germany in WW1 was fault of the jews.

>>1969291
I said no buzzfeed tier answers.
>>1969295
I'm aware that Europe in general has always been somewhat antisemitic throughout history, but that doesn't explain whether that antisemitism was justified or not. Why exactly was Germany antisemitic at that time? There had to be some recent events caused by Jews that made people hate them even more.

>>1969313
>I'm aware that Europe in general has always been somewhat antisemitic throughout history, but that doesn't explain whether that antisemitism was justified or not. Why exactly was Germany antisemitic at that time? There had to be some recent events caused by Jews that made people hate them even more.


They lost WW1, and did so in such a way that you had significant segments of the German populace who didn't feel beaten. Thus, they needed someone or something to blame for their "unexpected" loss.

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>>1969284
Hitlers youth bumming around Vienna exposed him to tons of anti-Semitic clubs and volkish ideology. He writes about it in Mein Kampf as being where he realized the evils of Jewry and solidified his hate of the "November criminals" and belief in the Stabbed-in-the-Back theory

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>>1969313

Read pic related and it'll probably give you a good idea of the way anti-semitism sometimes played out in Germany. It predates the rise to Nazi power by some 30 years but it would've been within living memory.

The Jews are an out group who often refuse to integrate into the local culture, have traditions that are different enough to be offputting to Christians, and are generally suspect due to their habit of putting fellow Jews / Jewish culture before whatever society they're part of.

>>1969326
The best part is that a bunch of Jews fought and died in WW1, back when they still thought they could earn acceptance in German society.

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>>1969319
I remember reading somewhere that militarily, the war could have kept going for years in the trenches and no side would have made enough significant progress to defeat the other, yet Germany still surrendered. That would explain why a major part of the population didn't feel beaten, thus they felt like their government or a group with influence in governmental decisions stabbed them in the back.
Correct me if my understanding is wrong.

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>>1969319
This.
The Germans had such a tradition of military might (see, Prussian military history) that they couldn't accept they'd be squarely beaten in WWI, so huge swaths of the population began espousing the Stabbed-in-the-Back theory, and many believed the stabbers were Jewish financiers

>>1969348

Well, you're right in the sense of that was what the German public thought of at the time. The war was still being fought on Belgian and French soil, and they had completely won in the East, and had been fed a steady diet of propaganda about their nonexistent successes in the West.

But they could not have held on militarily for years. The Hundred Days offensive really did break the back of their army, and you have a steady stream of messages from the German brass about how they need to come to terms NOW because the Entente can cross the Rhine any time they want.

They had finally gotten to the point where they could no longer retreat and retrench faster than the Entente could advance, which meant they were weeks away from having entire divisions pocketed and simply obliterated. They had lost, but you have to remember this is a day and age where the radio is a clever novel device. Most people only know what their newspaper says, and the newspapers weren't exactly printing freely.

>>1969284
You have to understand that anti-semitism in Europe was the NORM. Hitler wasn't just some fringe lunatic who started hating Jews out of the blue while everyone else loved them.

Saying "Jews are bad and parasitic people" in the 1930s would be like saying "Climate change is real" today, it was universally accepted as fact.

>>1969361

>Saying "Jews are bad and parasitic people" in the 1930s would be like saying "Climate change is real" today, it was universally accepted as fact.

That's pushing it a bit far, anon. Much of the time during the period anti-semitism could go pretty dormant and Jews could function reasonably well in society. It just flared up pretty easily, there was definitely a latent distrust of Jews.

Shit like the Dreyfus affair makes it evident enough that by the turn of the 20th century antisemitism was controversial. Normal absolutely, but controversial.

>>1969360
Thanks for clarifying.
>>1969361
Yeah this is kind of why I made this thread, I'm in college and even at this point, the way they teach this part of history always makes it seem so simple, as if Hitler just started hating Jews out of the blue and everyone followed him overnight like that because why not. Many history books also seem to give off this impression. Are historians actively avoiding this subject because of politically correct reasons or what? I feel like it's really not as documented as it should be.
>>1969326
>The Jews are an out group who often refuse to integrate into the local culture, have traditions that are different enough to be offputting to Christians, and are generally suspect due to their habit of putting fellow Jews / Jewish culture before whatever society they're part of.
Very true, in my opinion, this alone seems to be enough to justify antisemitism even today.

>>1969383
No anon. You got everyone from Winston Churchill through German noblemen and French poets criticizing the Jews. Anti-semitism was common in the press and the notion that Jews as a group are a bunch of cunts was widespread.

And it was ironically Hitler who shifted the paradigm by going full retard and starting to kill them.

>>1969403

That's why I said normal but controversial. It's not the same as "this is literally fact and only fringe lunatics disagree". If that was the case the Dreyfus affair would have been open and shut.

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>>1969348
dat aesthetics

>>1969403
>>1969361
you're making the mistake of putting all antisemitism in the same box

"traditional" or "mainstream" antisemitism was very common at the time, although it was slightly controversial like >>1969408 said. However there's a reason the entire world was shocked at what the germans did, it's because this antisemitism was not nearly as extreme as the nazi one

antisemitism as seen in the nazi party was the first of its kind. It legitimises antisemitism not through a religious way (which is the justification for "regular" antisemitism). Rather the germans use pseudo scientific facts with anthropological research twisted for their own ideology. It's this very justification that cleared their conscience and allowed them to commit the atrocious acts they did

>>1969295
Germany was one of the least anti-semitic countries in European history. That's why so many Jews lived there and also unlike in slavic countries they were able to be prominent.

>>1969284
primarily the financial plunder of the Jews of Germany during the post-WW1 era with the key financial positions they held, as they hold today in the US, following the Treaty of Versailles and during the era of the Weimar Republic, research the hyperinflation which occurred in the early 20s in Germany.

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the primarily Jewish executed coup which occurred in Germany near the end of the first world war, by means of press and labor unions, they first, through newspapers, underwent a propaganda operation to demoralize which was largely successful, second, through their influence of labor unions called strikes at the worst possible time, freezing production of arms factories right as the Americans arrived at the Western front in 1918.

>>1969538
>Germany was one of the least anti-semitic countries in European history
I hope you're being ironic. Who's Germany's Benjamin Disraeli?

>>1969545
Germany was the place where the Jewish enlightenment happened. See Moses Mendelssohn, etc. Germany's liberal attitude toward Jews led to Jews joining the mainstream.

>>1969538
>so many Jews lived there
Germany's Jewish minority was rather small. I mean post WW1.

>>1969565
that has never been the case since luther

>>1969284
Why do people always forget/ignore the other victims of the holocaust?

Gays, gypsies, etc.

>>1969542
>Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the primarily Jewish executed coup which occurred in Germany near the end of the first world war, by means of press and labor unions, they first, through newspapers, underwent a propaganda operation to demoralize which was largely successful, second, through their influence of labor unions called strikes at the worst possible time, freezing production of arms factories right as the Americans arrived at the Western front in 1918.
t. OHL

>>1969596
Why are you asking that, goy? never forget the 6 million!

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>>1969313
>Why exactly was Germany antisemitic at that time?
Jews have always hated Germans and considered them "Amalek" (descendents of King Agag) who are "the embodiment of all evil".

They believe that the Messiah will not come until all the Amalekites have been exterminated.

The chief rabbi of Jerusalem had very publically snubbed the Kaiser by refusing to meet with them for this reason. It is against the Talmud to say anything positive about an Amalekite.

>>1969284
OP, you should read the book "Derrota Mundial" by Salvador Borrego. I don't know if there is an english translation, but it is truly the best book out there to learn about this subject and other things about WWII. You will find A LOT of answers there, I strongly recommend you to read it.

He couldnt control ottoman immigration because of jewry.

>>1969402
>Many history books also seem to give off this impression.
Or maybe you just didn't read any real book about the history of Germany. Pop-history is not real history.

I recommend you The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual Origins Of The Third Reich.

>>1969402
>Are historians actively avoiding this subject because of politically correct reasons or what? I feel like it's really not as documented as it should be.

No, its very well documented. Jews tended to be part of socialist circles or bankers, both groups that were seen by the common german as causing the downfall of their country, specially after the complete ass fuckery of their economy post-WWI, this made it very easy for the Nazis to just build propaganda and focus that hate for their current situation into the scapegoats that were the jews, gypsies, socialists and the unwanted.

Read "Culture of Critique" and find out why jews deserve another reckoning.

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>>1969596
>fags and gypsies
>victims

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>>1969284
>Which event exactly made Hitler ... hate the Jews?
>I'm asking because I want to know how justified his persecution of Jews was.
Read Mein Kampf (1926/26 Adolf Hitler (1889-1945))
Get it in his own words.
His discussion of the Jews begins in the latter third of Chapter 2, when he is in Vienna.

>>1969348
To further expand on what >>1969360 has quite well explained, not even was the military situation absolutely terrible for Germany with mass desertions and surrenders and their lines being broken at will, the homefront was even worse. No food, no supplies, brewing unrest, the blockade was literally starving them.

>>1969542
hahaha

kys
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>>1970380
so this is the intellect of /r/fullcommunism

>>1969542
>research the hyperinflation which occurred in the early 20s in Germany

You are the one who needs to do your research.

>>1969596
because they are still hated and hating them is accepted

>>1969701
>a single Rabbi equals all Jews