Why is Tsar Nicholas II so venerated /his/? He was a terrible ruler

He was a bad ruler
>emancipated urban tatars
>allowed mosque constructure
>he allowed Tatar moslems to move into Russian areas(Commies banned that later)
>build Cathedral mosque in Saint-Petersburg which was biggest European mosque at the time(commies used that as a storage later)
>dragged Russia into war with Japan
>dragged Russia into war with Germany
>he left to some ball after the massacre in public(Hodinka) instead of speaking to his people
But he still was European legitimate Monarch and not some Middle Eastern terroris that changed him and Transition Government eventually

>>1966878
LARPing monarcucks and contrarian edgy kids.

>>1966878
>Looked nice.
>Under him Russia was on the Right Side Of History™ by fighting Germany.
>The rulers who followed after him are seen as evil.
>Disney made Anastasia and it was popular.
>Allowed his competent underlings to rule instead of his incompetent self (Sergei Witte and Peter Stolypin reformed the state) until someone told him to go roleplay as a general and FUCK EVERYTHING UP SHIT FUCK ASS


>not fit to run a village post office
t. Trotsky

>although Nicholas did not have a naturally autocratic personality, his wife Aleksandra and multiple reactionary statesmen forced him to rule the country with an iron fist
t. Moorehead, contemporary historian

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>>1966878
people venerate nicholas II?

>>1966878

>had vaguely bad policies
>this means it's okay for him and his family to be slaughtered like cattle by bolsheviks

great

>>1967047
>vaguely bad policies

lmao

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In my opinion, there was no good ruler in Russia since Alexander I. Nicholas I was tyrannic emperor and his tyranny did no good, Alexander II was weak and did not understand his people, Alexander III tried and failed, and Nicholas II was just an idiot and sociopath. But that's common decline of Europe aristocracy, Nicholas was just one of them.

>>1967055
Alexander II abolished serfdom and brought moslem barbarians in Caucasus to heel...
Alexander III reign was free from wars and unrest. Economy and the quality of life was in perpetual growth
>>1967013
This. He was multi-kulti war mongering cuck

>>1967063
I do not trying to say they did not have their accomplishments, they aren't Pavel, but when your own people constantly trying to murder you, that's not cool.

>Alexander III reign was free from wars and unrest.
From wars - definitely, but unrest, created by Narodnaya volya and others rebels, was still there. Also, talk about Alex III's rule is impossible without considering Pobedonostsev supervision and Russian conservative ideas. But yeah, maybe I am to harsh on him, who I am to judge great people of the past.

>>1967112
*who am I

>>1966878
Because he had cute daughters and pedophilic alt-righters prefer monarchy to socialism

>>1967013
>he allowed Tatar moslems to move into Russian areas(Commies banned that later)

This is why there's Tatars and Jews in Finland.
They used Russian law to circumvent old Swedish law preventing Jews from living in Finland.

>>1967112
>Naradnaya Volya
>unrest
Single terrorist attacks here and there harshly persecuted is not
>Pobedonostsev conservative ideals
muh couldn't have islam, judaism, gambling centers and interracial sex. What a pitty.

>>1967140
this. normal Russian person have nothing but admiration of Alexandarian Russia

>>1967251
confirm as a Russkie. It's sjw type cucks and blood mixers who dislike Alexander III the most

>>1967045
Russian monarchists do.

>>1967045

>people venerate nicholas II?

>>1968129
I don't really like him, but he at least had his ideal of Russia. Nicolas 2 just didn't give a shit.

Just want to remind everyone that the Bolshevieks had more support from the Russian people than any other faction in the civil war.
Those who disagree may explain how you win a civil war when your enemies got direct foreign support and most minority groups just are trying to break free from the empire leaving you with Russians and other east Slavs.

>>1968197
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election,_1917

Filthy bolsheviks lost elections, if they had have majority of support there would be no civil war

>may explain how you win a civil

with Red Terror and international brigades of latvians, chinese commies + stockpiled weapons, ammunition in european Russia because of WW1

>>1968146
What not to like?
-nor Slavophilia, nor Germanised Westernism, but Rusocentrism
-ethnic Russian chauvinism
-humane segregation
-cut all the Royal House spending
-cut state official personal spending
-shunned lavish lifestyle of those at Imperial Service
-valued soldier's life, maintained piece
-slept with soldiers and peasants; took time to personally observe ordinary subject's life
-loved his family; held roof of the train when it collapsed and could have killed his family and friends
-friendship with Germany, continental respective dominance
-helped to restore Finnish culture after long Swedifition and Imperial neglect
-cracked down on terrorism
-purged tobacco mob
>Nicolas II didn't do shit
If only. He dragged Russian Empire into pointless wars with Japan and Germany and let Islam to spread in European Russia

>>1967045
/pol/ does because they are butthurt about the commies killing him

>>1968375
>-helped to restore Finnish culture after long Swedifition and Imperial neglect
I think that was his dad

>>1967045
Christians.

>>1968600

Russian Orthodox Christians specifically.

>>1966878
1. 4chan is filled with fags with a homolust for the Czar

2. 4chan is filled with Monarchists who are mad about WWI in general

3. 4chan is filled with stormniggers who are mad that communists overthrew him

They don't like the Czar as much as they like the idea of the Czar.

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>>1966878

Because revolutions are, without exception, always worse than whatever they replace.

t. Edmund Burke

>>1968630
I think you mean
>t. butthurt Anglo

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>>1968633

>butthurt

I think you mean:

>Vindicated

>>1968636
The world needs a few more French revolutions.

>>1968630
Yeah, those French peasants were better off starving under the monarchy.

>>1966878
He's only venerated by naive rightists who think the killing of the Tsar and his family is worse than the hundreds of thousands left dead by Tsarist violence

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>>1968654

Sure, I love killing revolutionaries.

>>1968655

Yeah, their prospects are much improved/secured in destroying the state - said every dumbass revolutionary whose country descends into chaos and squalor.

>>1968685
>Sure, I love killing revolutionaries.
Think you meant to say "Pay others for doing it"

>destroying the state
Everyone has brief periods of unrest at times, better to have it be about introducing new rights than because of carl the princesdeclaring war at his brother Karl the king because carl think his claim to the throne is slightly better?

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>>1968685
Revolutionaries are the ones who do the killing.

>>1967013
why is any of that a bad thing

history isn't some grand autistic clash between le christendom and muslims

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>>1968696

>Think you meant to say "Pay others for doing it"

Nah, I like getting my hands dirty. Every revolution demands a restoration. Burke predicted Napoleon, which this board seems to love as much as the actual French Revolution without seeing any contradiction.

>>1968697

>are

Not anymore, kid.

>>1968630
I can't think of a single revolution leading to worse conditions than what came before.

The Arab Spring, maybe?

>>1968725

>I can't think of a single revolution leading to worse conditions than what came before.

You ever heard of Communism, kid?

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>>1968722
>Not anymore
Think again

>>1968729
It did lead to better conditions for Russians though.

>>1968722
>Every revolution demands a restoration. Burke predicted Napoleon
1. Napoleon wasn't a counter-revolutionary
2. Burke didn't think the coming of a Napoleonesque figure was a good thing.

>>1968729
You ever heard of the standard of living, education, and upward mobility of the average Russian during the empire, faggot?

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>>1966878
He was bad but the soviets were worse

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It's not even a 4chan thing, exclusively. Regular people in Russia like the Romanovs (at the same time they like the communists too, it's weird).

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>>1966878
Because he was a qt homely guy who was a very bad administrator, but a nice person.

And I would like to fuck him, of course.

>>1968717
Because they are inner immigrants and not native to Europe obviously
>autism
European nationalism is on the rise and there is nothing you can do about that

>>1968479
both, but Alexander III for the most part. He had couple of country houses and Finland for fishing, rowing, hiking and sauna.

>>1968789
>regular person
>government official (who is trying to get a movie that portrays Nicholas II as having a sexual fling with a ballerina before his marriage banned for being 'heretical' to Catholicism)
>also she's carrying an icon of Nicholas II at a fucking war veteran memorial walk like a goon

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>>1967045

>>1968680
No, he is literally a Saint in the Russian Orthodox Church up there with Paul and John the Baptist

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>>1968855
Neither are Hungarians.

Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.

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>>1968680
No, he's canonized as a Passion-Bearer along with his family.

>>1968905
He's not. Him and his families are passion bearers and not saints in the Russian Orthodox Church.

The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia on the other hand is a completely different story. But that church is just as based on being butthurt about communism as it is about Jesus.

>>1966878
>He was a terrible ruler

He literally wasn't, he was a victim of circumstance.

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>>1968921
Passion-Bearers are a kind of saint. We have an icon of him in my Church, and we aren't ROCOR.

Also, ROCOR is just one part of the Moscow Patriarchate of the EOC.

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Willy and Nicky should have swapped countries.

Willy being a reactionary, ham-fisted brute could have been exactly the leader Nicky was pressured to try and be.
Nicky being a sensitive soul that didn't really like leading would have been perfect for a liberal constitutional monarchy like Germany.

>>1968925
Still though. Passion bearers are a less venerated category of saints than the likes of Paul and John the Baptist.

>>1968864
Well yeah, but she's cute! CUTE!

>>1968912
Hungarians are "hunnic" in name only. They are mix of Slavs and Visigoths.
>nothing wrong
When they live in their own place. Tatars have no place in European Russia. None whatsoever. And that what happens when you get multi-multi death cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asn8vMlg0B8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuiNW6MjNPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cte3VvCONf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AasvuIZ6FKc

>>1966878
He and his family are martyr's

>>1969048
>Tatars have no place in European Russia. None whatsoever.
Then GTFO out of Siberia, pidorashkas.

>>1969048
>meanwhile tatars and bashkirs are a nice bunch of lads who treat islam about as seriously as russians treat christianity and all this shit is started by caucasian mountain niggers and central asian shitholes who got independence after SU fell
t. a man born in Bashkortostan

>>1970387
Are they European? No, they are not. Thusly, they should stay in their republics or Russian Federation should drop turkic, iranic and mongoloid republics to enjoy homogenous society. If I was Russian I would demand it. No one needs minorities in Russia, its minorities that need Russia.
>>1969067
Siberia is 97% ethnic Russian, cuck. More so than. Moscow. Northern Russia, Central Russia, Southern Russia, Siberia and Far East belongs to the ethnic Russians. After all the minority elements are separated from the country of course. What Nationalist European government would give easy visa regiment to the Russian Federation if some turkic or iranic person can come to the Western Europe with Russian passport? That won't happen and ethnic Russians know that.

>>1968729
Russia in 1927 was undeniably better than Russian in 1917.

>>1967137
wtf i hate jews now

>>1969048
>Hungarians are "hunnic" in name only. They are mix of Slavs and Visigoths.
He means they are Uralics who came from the Asian side of the Urals. They have nothing to do with Visigoths either, you moron.

Why should we take anything you say seriously when obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>1966878
Because muh commie joo conspiracy.

>>1971555
He's right though. Huns didn't leave much genetic legacy. Magyars are a cocktails of Slavs, Illyrian and Germanic tribes