The Clouds

He made himself a political threat and it cost them nothing to kill him. The typical ruler of the time would do it in a heartbeat.

>>1960644
Yeah but was it he himself or Aristophanes' popular theatrical depiction of him?

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>>1960605

If they couldn't take a joke, they would've killed this über-Mensch

its cause he questioned the gods and was the first ATHEIST

>>1960762
Did diogense question the existence of the gods?

>>1960762
Ironically, even if he was a kind of 'crazy socrates', he was pretty appreciated by the Athenians

>>1960762
>>1960828
Diogense and the cynics were outliers; their philosophy was not for everyone, it was the "shortcut" to virtue. These people weren't evangelizing for all greeks to become masturbating hobos. If they did, who would be left for the cynics to collect charity from?

Also consider that the method they used to bring virtue to others, performance comedy, marginalized them. It's kind of hard not to laugh at a guy who walks into some rich dude's house, spits in his face, and then tells people he is the right one. It's also very hard to take someone like that as a threat to the establishment.

Socrates on the other hand had a wife and a house, a great respect from Athenians. Diogense was Socrates gone mad, not some other dude gone mad. It was probably clear even during his lifetime that Socrates was the becoming the foundation for a new generation of great philosophers, and what he taught certainly could be threatening. See The Republic.

>>1960605
>people even bring up Diogenes

Please stop this, it derails every classical philosophy thread we have on this board. Socrates, if we go by what we know in the Apology had previously socialized with the Thirty Tyrants, now overthrown. It seems essentially that Socrates was not willing to back down, reject his previous associations and associate with the new regime; even if it meant nothing and was just lip service, something Socrates would not do. Aristophanes depiction seems to have little to no influence on the court's decision, but it may very well gave them reason to not respect him and identify him as a Sophistic fool whose words and beliefs malleable and meaningless

>>1960687
The Clouds was written 20 years before his trial so it probably only contributed to his bad image a little.