He is actually right, you know

tautology

the fuck does this even mean

That depends on whether want is construed as a lack or as an action

In the case of lack, we can cease to consider not having something as a bad thing. There are lots of things that we don't have and don't want. Except in the case of those things necessary to prolong life (which, in extreme cases, can also be forsaken if life itself is no longer considered worth the effort), "want" must be construed as
active desire

If we construe it as an action, then the statement is self-contradictory.

>>1957216
This sounds autistic. Did he suffer from retardation?

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How can one man be so based?

>>1957216
He's not. Your desire to hold certain desires can help you actually acquire them.

>>1957233
Not at all.

>>1957261
It means that your will, your desires, wishes, etc. are outside of your control. You can choose to act upon them but you cannot choose not to have them.

>>1958361
>>1957276
That's not what he meant. Schopenhauer is referring to what he calls the "will" here, which might as well be translated as "subconsciousness". Wishes and desires manifest from areas in your brain you have no control over. e.g. whether you find someone attractive, whether you fall in love, whether you find a liking to a certain item and want to possess it, etc. - all of that is nothing you have control over. You can choose to act upon your desires, e.g. buy the item you want (or don't), but the desire itself is out of your active control as it is entirely subconscious.

>>1958865
Jesus, where to begin...

Wishes and desires manifest from areas in your brain you have no control over? This is the sloppiest mixture of phenomenology and half-understood neuroscience I've ever seen. You're mixing categories and equivocating like a motherfucker.

If you have control over actions, and thoughts are actions, and desires are thoughts, then you have control over desires.

If you have no control over your desires, posit a fucking mechanism for it that isn't just some hand-waving around the word "will"

Did you deliberately pick the worst translation possible?

>>1957279
No, he was just born German

t. /his/

>>1959058
>If you have control over actions, and thoughts are actions, and desires are thoughts, then you have control over desires.
You're a retard because desires are not thoughts. Desires are what affects your thoughts.

You don't "actively" desire something in the sense that you need to make up your mind first about it - it just happens.

This desire may then lead to thoughts, but even thoughts are only half-conscious. What crosses your mind is not necessarily in your control unless you actively ponder on something, e.g. a mathematical proof.

Only the action itself, i.e. turning your thoughts, influenced by your desires into physical action is inside your control.