Republicans on Evolution

>>1950541
It's not, it's a problem in half of Asia, all of Africa, and most of South America

It's not

>>1950541
We have loads of them in Northern Ireland too. The DUP make the Republican party look like champions of progress and enlightenment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL7JAkWuv-s

>>1950541
>I'm not descended from a primate
LOL, then what does he think he is? He have the genetic data, and we know it's a fact that we are of the order primate. Does he deny that he's a mammal as well?

>>1950591
Considering he think humans are separate from all other creature, it's a safe bet.

>>1950614
>Considering he think humans are separate from all other creature
How can any person logically think this in the face of the fact that their cellular structure is literally the same as a squirrel's.

>>1950651
That's one side of the argument.
We must also consider the alternative view. The bible says that man was created by God 6,000 years ago.

>>1950660
Cool, my diary says I shat the world yesterday and posted it on Instagram before flushing it down, let's give that side its due consideration too

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>>1950651
Something something "sporks."
>many creationists actually believe this

>>1950660
>The bible says that man was created by God 6,000 years ago
hmmm...Do I believe this book that was written by jews in 2500 years ago, or do I believe the observable biological facts of the world presented before me? Tough choice, tough choice.

>>1950541
America was founded by puritans, and Puritans are basically Christian Salafists.

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>>1950683
>Deists
FTFY

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>tfw atheist and constantly reading creationist criticisms of evolution and starting to believe them

help I am of feeble mind

A sizable portion of the country thinks being informed is a negative thing.

>>1950879
Alright I'll bite. Can you give me an example?

>>1950879
You see, there is no reason to privilege one explanation for events over another if there is no evidence for either one.

Evolution is the theory of events that integrates the most factual evidence.

You can believe anything you want, but if you don't integrate evidence, your belief is an opinion, not a statement of fact.

>>1950708
I mean colonial America, not the USA.

>>1950888
Oh. Yeah, Puritans then.

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>>1950885
This is what they think of "secular" science. This is in a Christian school textbook. Kids are being taugh this.

>>1950940
>christian school textbook
Are there seriously no standards or regulations for textbooks in the US? Can you simply print whatever you want as long as the schools accept it?

>>1950958
I don't think those are actually used in us public schools. Some deep red state Republicans were trying to shoehorn them in but failed.

My memory is shit and I may be wrong though.

>>1950958
As long as you meet the minimum standards for education, you can do whatever you want to your kid.

In California, you don't even have to do that. I have a friend who lived in California and was "homeschooled" for a year while he just played Donkey Kong and did literally nothing else.

>>1950940
>implying any of this is wrong in it's description

>>1950980
no such thing as cosmic evolution
no such thing as chemical evolution. If they mean how non-living chemicals become what's known as life that's ABIOGENESIS and it's NOT EVOLUTION
biological evolution is the only one that's actually evolution
"caveman subhumans" means what exactly in this context. This shit is extremely poorly phrased

now be a good ol' boy and fuck off

>>1950988
evolution in its most general sense merely means gradual change over time

>>1950991
alright fine, read this and THEN fuck off
http://foo.ca/wp/chick-tract-satire/whos-your-daddy/

>>1951005
listen fella, just because christcucks treat the word "evilooshun" as Satan incarnate doesn't mean the definition of the word has changed

If Muslims could accept evolution why can't Christians

>>1951030
95% of the curriculum in the Gulf states is study of the Koran, they have to import all of their engineers and regularly encourage students who have promise to study abroad if they want a degree worth anything, I very much doubt they are not teaching their own brand of creationism

>>1951030
Reveled truth isn't the same category as empirical truth.

>>1951039
>"One should then look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word "connection" with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends." [1]

>>1951072
what exactly am I reading here?

anecdotally related, all muslim kids in my HS became exempt from taking bio and zoology 101 classes on religious grounds and took chemistry classes instead

>>1951088
FUCK YOU FOR STEALING MY DUBS

>>1951072
The works of Khaldun and Tusi is not far off from actual "Darwin" evolution we accept today. Islamic scholar Tusi in the 13th century discussed hereditary variability and how it was an important factor for biological evolution of living things. They're no where near as delusional as Christians when it comes to science.

>>1950591
>then what does he think he is
A descendant of the first man, who was created by God 6000 years ago.

>>1951088
I'd do that too, it sounds sweet.

>>1951106
But then again half of the population of Muslims still live in tribal villages with no internet. When I was in University, this Muslim guy was arguing about evolution and how we don't know it's real because it's nothing but a theory. It's ironic because Muslims are responsible for most of the math, science, astronomy, etc. we follow today. Algebra is named by a Muslim. Half of the stars are Arab names. Medicine. Algorithms, etc. All from shit skins. A Muslim that argues against science has never studied their own history.

>>1950541
It's niggers

>>1951128
>It's ironic because Muslims are responsible for most of the math, science, astronomy, etc. we follow today. Algebra is named by a Muslim. Half of the stars are Arab names. Medicine. Algorithms, etc. All from shit skins. A Muslim that argues against science has never studied their own history.
Islamic golden age of science is a meme
pushed in high schools after 9/11 to push the narrative that they weren't always goat fucking barbarians.

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>>1950660

>>1951148
Yes all non-white history is a meme

If I told you that most of the scholars in the House of Wisdom were Christians, would that change your mind /pol/?

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>>1951157

>>1951157
t. gaea worshiping pagan

>>1951148
What does 9/11 have to do with the term Islamic Golden Age? I remember studying it in high school World History in the early 90s.

Not sure if shitposting or too young to remember a good education.

>>1951204
>isn't even a comic

>>1951244
A drawing attempting to cause laughter is a comic.

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>>1951258
who ever said I was trying to cause laughter?

>>1951272
Who ever said your pic didn't? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, sonny.

>descendants of a primate
we are primates. wtf.

>>1950551
>and most of South America
I'm from argentina and i haven't met an evolution denier in my entire life. I didn't even know they existed when i was a kid until i read americans talking about it on the internet.

>>1950660
Yes it does.
What evidence is there that the Bible is more accurate than Norse, Islamic, Hindu, and Aztec creation stories?

>>1951331
>your biology class is replaced by a world creation mythology class
And nothing of value was lost

>>1950666
Satan has spoken

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Bump with truth.

I'm more interested in Liberal Atheists on evolution. Who believe that race and class is merely a social construct, disregarding the inheritence of traits which is the very basis of all life and how evolution works.

>>1951223
The Concept itself(not the term) originated in the 1700's to explain why Europe was less advanced than the Mid East(And Eastern Roman Empire) during the "Dark Ages"

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>>1950541
>leftists believes in evolution
>thinks everyone is 100% equal in all ways corners and shapes

>>1950980
>I don't know how science works

>>1952455
No, I don't think everyone is equal, I think there's a genetic component to intelligence. I just think that I've seen some really stupid rednecks that were stupider than niggers and I don't see a reason to judge intelligence by a person's race unless they're a Jew or an Asian.

>>1950541

The left denies evolution too whenever it says or implies, even remotely, something that goes against their principles.

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>>1952475
>i don't judge people based on their inherent characteristics except these types of people

/decadent leftist doublethink general/

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>>1950541
This is a genuine page from a texas textbook.
Science 4.

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Bump

>>1951320
i live in the deep south and i havent even met one either, the ones that hold these beleive usually dont flaunt it and bring it up alot

>>1952570
what year?

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>>1953775
I think Appalachia is where most of them reside, given this fucktard has taken up residence there.

>>1951072
Thanks for introducing me to Ibn Khaldun.
He seems like a genius.

>>1950884

Transitional forms.

Where is the fossil records of all these transitional stages that evolution must have thrown up? For a particular trait to be evolutionary advantageous requires it propagating throughout the species but of course we would have to see large peak-trough patterns of every species in that instance where it takes time for the 'advantaged' to replace the 'disadvantaged'. There would of course be a smaller number of 'advantaged' in a species at first whilst those others would die off more quickly before population stabilised and shifted to the advantaged ones.

>>1950541
>>1950551
Why is this only a problem in shitholes and America?

>>1952570
>>1953785
Probable source:
http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Eye-Opening_Highlights_From_a_Creationist_Science_Textbook

>>1951039
>95% of the curriculum in the Gulf states is study of the Koran

You going to provide actual sources for that or is 'something obvious we take as fact'?

>they have to import all of their engineers

Again, sources?

>regularly encourage students who have promise to study abroad if they want a degree worth anything

That's simply because there are better resources available in advanced institutions in the UK/USA etc such as Cambridge, Oxford, MIT and so on. Lots of countries irrespective of being Islamic or not do this - a government encouraged sponsorship program so the best can learn at the best institutes. These gulf countries do actually invest in their own education infrastructure though and are seeking to draw in global students as well in the near future. This is more tactical and on globalist economical levels though and nothing to do with religion.

>>1950889
>>1950888
Virginians weren't puritans and they did a fuckton more historically than the actual puritan colonies did.

>>1953817
>Ibn Khaldun

>Abdurahman bin Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Al-Hasan bin Jabir bin Muhammad bin Ibrahim bin Abdurahman bin Ibn Khaldun, generally known as "Ibn Khaldūn"

What a name!

>>1950541
More importantly, the party recently elected into power doesn't believe in global warming, either. That might be a problem.

>>1953821
Not him, but:
a) creating(pun intended) fossils is really hard.
You need some "flash burial" to turn them from degradable flesh and bone to fossil rocks.

b) a lot of evolutionists go aboard on the whole random darwinian mutation thing. It seems environmental factors also influence genes a lot.
https://aeon.co/essays/on-epigenetics-we-need-both-darwin-s-and-lamarck-s-theories
There are some other debates in the field about some other stuff that are too incomplete for evolution to happen as the theory says, but those are brushed under the rug to not feed the creationists, and to keep the image of darwinism as this largely figured out science that may not know fully how it's theory works.

I personally find your atheism more debatable than these creationist arguments.

>>1950991
>evolution in its most general sense merely means gradual change over time
doesn't even have to be gradual

>>1953846
>son of Mohamed son of Mohamed son of Mohamed son of Al-Hasan(the beautiful one), son of Jabir son of Mohamed son of Abraham son of Abdurahman son of Ibm Khaldun

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>In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces.[1] Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation,[2] although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory.

>Catholicism holds that God initiated and continued the process of his evolutionary creation, that Adam and Eve were real people (the Church rejects polygenism) and affirms that all humans, whether specially created or evolved, have and have always had specially created souls for each individual.[3][4]

>although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory.
>Adam and Eve were real people
Yet they still look down on Prods.

>>1953821
>Transitional forms

The chances of good fossilization aren't that common.
Even if a specific form is present for a few million years it's not too unlikely for it to simply not be present in the fossil record.

Natural selection is also hardly the only force acting on a population.

>>1950541
Strong fundamentalist movement, poor education, a large population of idiots, etc. Also, I'm sure creationists exist in other countries.

How is evolution revelevant to politics? It's the cienticists fault by putting their stupid beliefs in culturally christian nations.

>>1954253
cientificists, I mean

>Republicans on evolution
Why not liberals on Darwinian evolution? They cling to humanism and it's constructs just as bad as Christians, ignoring evolution when applied to humanity or society.

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>>1954280
Even though you sound like a butthurt conservative, you do raise a good point.

What would a political system based entirely on evolutionary theory look like? (Bonus: no eugenics or nazis)

>>1954280
social-darwinism as been discredited a long time ago

>>1954280
>ignoring evolution when applied to humanity or society.
Virtually the consensus of professionals in the field agree that all humans are %99.9 genetically identical, to the point where many hypothesize a genetic bottleneck at some point in the distant past which reduced the human race to as few as 10,000 breeding pairs, and that the differences between the "races" are completely cosmetic.
This forms the foundation of the belief that race is a social construct and it's not that they have a "liberal" bias, it's because this is what the data is telling them to be the case.

>>1950541
Because America was where England sent its religious extremists.

>>1954735
Source?

>>1954647
>Jews are mad they don't come out on top of everything like they feel like they should

>>1953944
Actually most of the catholics (like 95% of them) believe in evolution. The problems are the conservative protestants that I don't know why believe in adam and eve or some shit like that.

>>1954856
I was raised baptists. Protestants are definitely the problem as most Catholics I know are indeed pro-evolution

>>1954735
You act as if culture/religion isn't an extension of the evolutionary process. Humans being genetically similar is a useless truism. There are inferior cultures and you can see that just by looking at sub-saharan africa. Colonialism and "white people" had nothing to do with it.

>>1954735
I share 50% of my DNA with a banana and 98% with a chimpanzee. What you describe as "cosmetic differences" can in fact become extremely significant.

>>1950541
More importantly why is it constantly discussed in /his/ instead of /x/?

>>1954735
IIRC, we share, what, 96% of our DNA is monkies? .1% difference between us can lead to some heavy results.

What are the results? I don't know - I'm not a fucking scientist.

>>1954926
/thread

>>1954926
>“I’ve spent the last 10 years of my life researching how much genetic variability there is between populations,” said Dr. David Altshuler, director of the Program in Medical and Population Genetics at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass. “But living in America, it is so clear that the economic and social and educational differences have so much more influence than genes. People just somehow fixate on genetics, even if the influence is very small.”

>>1954872
>culture/religion is an extension of the evolutionary process

literally wat

>>1955176
I think this guy is saying that we differentiate and adapt in more ways than by standard biological means.

Evolution """"""theory"""""" is a distraction so they can pull the flat Earth right under you

>>1954647
Fucking what.

>>1954735
t.post Socialist Franz Boas anthropology

>all our social policies are based on the fact that their (black people) intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really people who have to deal with black employees find this not true.

James Watson

>>1950541
>Protestants

>>1950541
Protestantism.

>>1955064
>(((David Altshuler)))

The reasoning behind the erasure of the scientific evidence of the different rates and paths of evolution between the races is simple- should it be acknowledged then it would blossom into a new era of racial ideology and identity, creating a subclass while generating "friction" between ethnic groups within nations. And as we all know this wouldn't bode well for minority Jews in foreign nations. This is the reasoning behind the Jewish aim to erase ethnic, cultural, and political differences as we can see evidenced in Esperanto or Marxism or Tikkun Olam.

>>1955344
>>1955365
There's plenty of protestants outside the States, including ones in countries that climbed to modernity with protestantism as a state religion, and they don't have nearly as many creationist kooks.

>>1955391
Those countries were Catholic once.

>>1950682
>implying those "observable biological facts" weren't created by the Jews too

>>1955189
No, he's literally saying that the difference in culture is due to genetics.

>>1952305
>disregarding the inheritence of traits which is the very basis of all life and how evolution works.

Somehow intelligence, for no reason whatsoever, was developed more on one race than the other even though evolution is an adaptive process. This means that anyone who understands the very basics of evolution should, at the very least, question the notion that intelligence proved less adaptive in some races than the others. Since there isn't a compelling evolutionary reason that will answer this question satisfactorily, I'm lead to conclude that racial realists are simply dumbasses whom are victims of a failed education system, if they went to school at all.

>>1955400
and?

>>1950541
Damn lefties always pushing the anti christian agenda. Evolution is a mere theory, not a fact.

>>1955531
Please remind me what evolutionary advantage red hair offers over brown?

>>1955720
>sexual selection
>lighter climate

>>1953798
>Appalachia
I'd say more of them are in the Midwest/Bible Belt. It was pretty fucking embarrassing in high school biology how many people ducked out when we got to evolution by citing their faith.

>>1953824
Because America is a shithole outside of its cities, its truly staggering how much of a culture shift there is the moment you step outside of the metro area.

>>1951331
>What evidence is there that the Bible is more accurate than Norse, Islamic, Hindu, and Aztec creation stories?
Because more people believe it. Also two of those got their fucking asses handed to them by Christ lmao.

>>1955773
>Maybe Jewish people have a stronger preference for highly intelligent mates than black people
>Red headedness isn't exclusive to Celts

>>1955577
>he believes that there are such things as facts

Prove it.

There are a bunch of them in CENTRAL CALIFORNIA.

They all voted for Trump, and they are also all Scottish.

>>1950541
American has a proud-to-be-willingly-ignorant streak. I really dont know where that comes from, but we have it pretty hard.

>>1955799

So if Islam becomes the biggest religion, that will make Islam true?

National Socialist here, Christianity must be removed in order for biological, ethnic, and cultural identity to be preserved.

>>1956740

Why don't you basement dwelling neets finally commit to the cause and start popping of these theocrats?

Hitler would be pretty disappointed that all you can muster is memes about black people. Not even dank memes either. Just regular image macros and cartoons.

>>1950541
Don't see how it's a problem or a concern for people that don't subscribe to their beliefs

>>1956753
Because the theocrats are literally on the lowest point of the totem pole. You have to save the nation, culture, and race first otherwise there won't be anything left to save. Christianity also retains a modicum of morality and self control, it's presence has some benefits, they just don't outweigh the negatives of a spiritual focus on a spiritual kingdom before a worldly, or spiritual egalitarianism.

And Christians aren't like the Jews, they aren't aware of the why of what they are doing.

>>1956773
Human society is formed around religion and modern western society is based on Christianity. How do you plan on dealing with that simple fact

>>1956774
Give something to strive for. I believe, or rather know, the reason western men are failing is they cannot strive anymore for greatness. How much money do we waste on wars for Israel and Saudi Arabia? How much money do we waste carrying third world untermensch around? Filling the pockets of bankers?
Censoring ourselves for the benefit of those who only see us as an end to a means.
To be honest I only want Christians to acknowledge the truth. The poison running through the minds of this nation is from another source completely.
Evolution WAS happening as a superior race and culture spread and reached for the stars, now the false God of egalitarianism is pulling back to the depths.

>>1950541
>Kick (not really) all of the hyper religious out of Europe and send them to America
Truly a mystery
>Muh Deists founding America
The zealots still were there. Honestly, It really is amazing how ideas like democracy and self-determination even came to be accepted by them, considering religion is about blind obedience to a omnipotent being and the idea that God determines the world around them.

>>1956788
A lot more money is wasted and lost in spending for things like education in the us than all foregin aid. For every dollar in taxes spent on education in the us 60% of it never leaves Washington.

>>1956798
Because you see ignorant of history and are memeing

>>1950541
I don't think it's just America, but a variety of people who see evolution as narrow minded.

I mean the narrative that we just came from monkeys and now "know the universe" through eyes, kind of denotes purposelessness. That it's all just a pointless forward momentum that has no broader definition.

So we just came from monkeys, now have the capability to harness knowledge, virtue is "subjective," and we shouldn't look at the finer consequences of our actions.

That's too narrow for a lot of people, that there's no significant purpose, just this description of evolution. That's empty, soulless. I just can't imagine romanticizing this narrative to the point it becomes no more than a arrogant and vain proclamation that you have "figured it all out." We come from monkeys, the end.

The variables within the emotional spectrum, the classifications and consequences of good and evil seem to dwarf the idea that it's just this forward moving progression of futility or pointlessness. I mean there is obviously a point of emphasis in our daily lives when you factor in good and evil, especially when you factor in the potential of righteousness.....as opposed to a systematical, robotic, domino effect that just unfolds in vain. In a perpetual state of meaninglessness.

That's just way too narrow, given the variables of what we know as life.

imo, only God can create something so elaborate.

>>1956807
*are

The same reason they don't believe in climate change. They decided to build their conservative party on pure ignorance. It's really scary.

>>1956807
Guilty. I was just memeing. Something about the 2nd Great Awakening is probably the answer.

>>1956819
The 2nd awakening was just people converting to Baptist after the Anglican/Episcopal church lost popularity.

>>1956809
>Evolution is vain
>Its not vain and egotistical to believe that somehow we are endowed as more important than everything else
>That everything including us must have meaning
The issue is that evolution and creationism are two sides of the same coin. Theyre both creation theories and views, and they both try to decide the meaning of human existence.
Evolution is just as complex as creationism. Just as evolution can be boiled down to you as "we figured it all out", creationism can be boiled down to "god figured it all out".
This is running kind of long and I need to head to my next class across campus, but my point here is this: you can believe what you want but both sides suffer from the same issues. Pointing out those of one and not the other is biased, and if you ever truly want to defend your side or seek the truth, you need to come to terms with the reality of both.

>>1956836
>The issue is that evolution and creationism are two sides of the same coin.

Yes, except that one is a testable theory that yields actual measurable results

>>1956805
I understand that. Much of that is the expansion of the Federal government for rent seeking reasons.

>>1956850
Stop why birch about foregin aid deals that make money for the U.S. when you have stagnation and corruption a>>1956850
t home

>>1956857
Phone just spazzed out. Sorry about the mess at the end

>>1956844
>Yes, except that one is a testable theory that yields actual measurable results
Not even a creationist, but no.

>>1956881
no how

>>1956809
>shouldn't look at the finer consequences of our actions

says you faggot

>>1956859
The Iraq war cost us 1trillion of our 16 trillion dollar debt.

But yes, the usurious bankers, the hollywood ceos, the greedy shareholders and traders will be brought to justice.

>>1956892
The most intensive testing you can do with it is stuff like Mendel's peas, minor natural selection or microbial resistance to certain factors.

>>1956836
>Its not vain and egotistical to believe that somehow we are endowed as more important than everything else

Importance is not what I'm talking about. Vanity, ego, isn't even found in righteousness. Humility and selflessness is. Sharing, charity, these are righteous, virtuous concepts.

If anything, I personally chose the wrong words to describe the narrow mindedness of the theory of evolution in relation to how elaborate the human experience is.

The simple fact we have a direct effect on one another, isn't egotistical. It's just a fact. To throw that out of the window and imply that we evolved from monkey's as some sort of pointless forward momentum fails to address the more elaborate branching of our experience.

To me personally, that's just a little too narrow. I'm not even republican. Or into politics in general.

>>1956903
So am I correct in stating that the basis of your thought is that the complexity of humanity could not have been created by evolution?

>>1956899
Wow how much of that debt was created by other bs then

>>1956913
Somewhat, yes.

I mean, you lock a group of people into a dome. You teach them nothing, just feed them. Spoil them with food for an extended period of time. You then cut their ration down to, lets say, 20% of what they were getting prior.

The choice to share or kill each other for the this smaller amount of food, are two concepts that pre-exist them. They didn't create the loving action of sharing. It's a concept they are free to choose as it was already created in advance for them to choose. They have the right to freak out at this smaller amount of food and fight over this resource, or....they can choose to make it work for all of them.

So I don't see evolution, as OP defines it, as I feel we're defining it, as the creator. I see the ideals and concepts, especially that of love and truth, as pre-made options to choose. We didn't create them, they exist to be chosen. As if they were already made. I see many things like this, pre-made.

And my accusation of narrow-mindness in relation to the theory of evolution might be ill placed, but that's only because of what I'm used to hearing following the thoughts of people who choose to support the theory of evolution. If that makes sense.

>>1950541
They have no clue how evolution works.

>>1951157
Herodotus comics are the best.

>>1953850
Also new head of the EPA specifically. Fuck trumptards.

>>1954735
So basically god is that shitty game dev that made all the different races different colors but with the same damn stats?

>>1956945
I see what you're saying. Let me try and post a counterpoint.
Consider this:
We have the same situation with one key difference: Those inhabiting the dome are not humans, but primates.
Lets assume that youre correct, that the two concepts already exist in the universe. The primates can choose to either share the food or to viciously fight over it.
Now lets assume that our sample size is 5 primates. They begin the process of sharing the food equally, until one day Primate A gets extra hungry and chooses to steal Primate B's food. After a couple times of this, Primate B has become weak and starved, and Primate A has grown a little bigger and stronger. Aware that Primate A will have the power to steal his food, Primate C decides to steal Primate D's food, and the same result happens. Now lets assume that this happens over and over again to their children's children, until the descendants of Primate A and C are blurred together and have slowly "evolved" so that the better fed ones are now bigger and badder than ever.
Would you be able to concede that in this way, we have your two concepts that already exist in the universe, working in unison with "evolution"? In this way you have an explanation for the way things could have happened, that does not try to impress claims that god does not exist, or anything similar.

>>1953850
Global Warming is a vague red herring when there are other, more tangible and easily proven forms of pollution that who will affect us sooner, namely water pollution or land pollution, which affects the former.

Global Warming is focused on because it addresses the instinctual realization we have of our impact on the environment while being vague enough that it can be argued without any true societal change.

>>1957048
Allow me to expand- addressing consumerist land pollution- for example fast food receptacle waste, would require corporations to spend money researching biodegradable, earth friendly alternatives, which would cost money.

Bawwing about global warming doesn't cost anyone anything, we still will use oil and those "carbon taxes" can easily be countered. Lowered air pollution is the only benefit but good luck getting developing second and third world nations to make an actual effort.

>>1955391
Through Catholicism

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>>1952570
PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH

>>1957047
Oh yeah, of course. Anything perpetuated is going to show signs of it's course. I mean that dynamic is found in various facets of our experience, not just in the physical. But when this mechanism in relation to the physical aspect is spoken of, as if it denotes leverage against a creator, or God, that's when I can't get on board. That's when the theory of evolution will generally meet opposition. I mean we truly do come from the dirt in the sense we're made of the elements that can be found in the earth, and that's exactly where these physical bodies will return. Right back into the dirt. But yeah, in that regard I can see, how you see they're two sides of the same coin. Just it also comes down to what is further being said when addressing that mechanism, because an individual can easily sell the truth short imo.

>>1953852
>a lot of evolutionists go aboard on the whole random darwinian mutation thing
Actually, most of them go aboard on the non-random selection. Which is the real driving force in evolution.

And Lamarckism is dead; that article is, at best, fringe science.

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>>1957210
>all those early /tg/ 40k memes
>lost, like tears in rain.
where did everything go so wrong?

>>1952493
'doublethink' implies that two mutually exclusive concepts are held at the same time yet that anon fairly clearly stated that jews and asians are an exception. Does having exceptions to rules count as le regressive leftist doublethink now?

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>>1950673
This shit is actually funny as fuck

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>>1950541
why do people put so much stress on this? Whether it's all happy accidents or intelligent design, believeing one or the other doesn't help you make a better car, or perform open heart surgery. It's literal dick measuring over 'muh souless universe' vs 'muh benovolent creator' .

At least Man-Made Global Warming matters. If Mankind is doing sometihng to make the earth un-inhabitable, or can do something to keep it habitable, that's fucking important to get right.

>>1951005
you do know that there's more to Christian Apologetics than Chick? He's literally the worst after Phelps.

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>>1951128
>Muslims are responsible for most of the math, science, astronomy, etc. we follow today. Algebra is named by a Muslim.
I blame Neil de Meme Tyson for this. Do you know how I know you are spewing the maymays he chewed and fed to you like the little bird you are? You mentioned the fucking *stars*.
Do you really think the Greeks and Romans didn't have algebra, or calculus? They just got fucking lucky every time they built an Aqueduct or Ampitheater, or any of the monuments which still stand today? The Arabs fucked over the middle of the civilized world, slapped their names onto everything.

Regarding Stars:
http://space.about.com/od/stars/a/Star-Names-How-Did-Stars-Get-Their-Names.htm

>About 1,900 years ago the Egyptian astronomer Claudius Ptolemy (who was born under, and lived during, Roman rule of Egypt) wrote the Almagest. This manuscript was a Greek text that recorded the names of stars as they had been named by various cultures (most were recorded in Greek, but others in Latin as per their origin).

>This text was translated by the Arab world into Arabic, and used by its scientific community. At the time, the Arab world was known for keen astronomical charting and documentation. So it was their translation that became popular among future astronomers.

>For example, Betelgeuse, the bright star in the constellation Orion, began as Yad al-Jauzā', which translates roughly to "the hand of Orion". It is also known as alpha Orionis, and often shows up on maps as α Orionis, using the Latin genitive for "Orion" and the Greek letter α (for "alpha") to indicate it is the brightest star in that constellation.

>>1952570
>a texas textbook.
>Science 4

great sourcing. This reinforces my beliefs that Texans are a bunch of braindead cowboys, so I won't question it.

All science is a lie, get over it.
>>1950682
>observable
You aren't even a good Platonist.
>>1950885
Evidence doesn't exist, it's an ideological presupposition. Facts are the exact same thing: ideology attached to existence.
>>1953944
>my ideology is good because my ideology supports it
>>1956844
>muh ideology supports muh ideology so its obviously correct

>>1958910
Recapitulation has been long since disproven and falsified and no one in the field of evolution who knows that respects it.
Ernst Haeckel was a mistake.

>>1953837
And deists aren't young earth creationists.

>>1953850
>global warming exists because le science
>>1959456
>le science
>proof

>>1950541
People in here will mock some for believing they don't descend from monkeys because of evolution, and yet will deny that some humans have evolved differently then others.

>>1960577
Then there's no way to talk to you

>>1960589
>if you reject my ideology, then ill fucking kill you you dont even deserve to be spoken to you fucking MONKEY

>>1958998
>>muh ideology supports muh ideology so its obviously correct

No, more like "Evolution is more credible because unlike creationism, it isn't unfalsifiable horseshit"

>>1960594
>it's credible according to muh ideology
>fallibility is good because of muh ideology
>dont question muh ideology
Fuck off back to /sci/, STEMsperg. Or Ribbit, or wherever else dogmatists congregate.

>>1960599

>muh muh automatically invalidates everything

Nice retort, idiot.

Now, tell me, what would prove creationism wrong according to you? Or is that too much of a 'brainlet' thing to ask?

>>1960606
Proof doesn't exist, it's an ideology attached to existence.

Scientism is an archaic mindset only fit for swine.

It's because of angelicals who don't realize were supposed to teach the most current scientific theories at our schools.

>B-but no definite proof

Of course there isn't. It is a THEORY. We may as well be teaching something completely different in a couple of years, but in order to train people to advance science we must train them in current fields.

>>1960612
>Proof doesn't exist

And what is this based on? You saying this?

By the way, I love how you say this and then instantly make claims that I'm supposed to believe. Because that isn't incoherent at all. Retard

>>1960622
Are you illiterate? I'm not here to jerk off your ego -- you're irrelevant.
>coherence is good because muh ideology

@1960593
@1960599
@1960612
>I don't want anything to have truth values
>Fuck using good epistemology
>I just want to sit in a thread and spout meme opinions for free (You)s

>>1960632
>good epistemology
Doesn't exist, it's bad philosophy.
Truth doesn't exist.

>>1960630

Again, you're just spouting incoherent gibberish. You make a whole bunch of claims, you never even define any of the terms you use, you never demonstrate why you believe your claims to be true, you resort to shitty ad hominems. If you seriously think that this makes you come across as smart, I'm afraid that you'll be very disappointed, because right now, you're just coming across as a clueless, edgy faggot

>>1960641
>Truth doesn't exist.
>he said, making a truth claim

Good job

>>1960643
>coherence is good because i sed so
>waaaaaah why arent you working within my ideological framework
>>1960645
I'm not making a truth claim, go read more.

>>1960648
>go read more.

Like what? This ought to be fun. Where did you get your brilliant theories that are totally not theories from, aside your own anal cavity?

>>1960659
>theories
Fuck off back to /sci/, no one cares about your bad philosophy. Pretense is not intelligence. Platonism is the poison of intelligence.

>>1960667
>no one cares about your bad philosophy.

And what do you mean by 'bad philosophy'?

Oh wait, asking to define what the fuck you're actually talking about is le ebin reddit strawman, nevermind

>>1960673
Bad philosophy is dogmatic philosophy.

e.g., everything you are supporting and stand for

Scientism is the top dogma at the moment.

>>1960612
>Creationism doesn't need an explanation it just is bruh
That's literally what you're saying desu

>>1960678
>explanations are needed because muh ideology

>>1960679

Tell me something, just for fun, how is 'because muh ideology' in greentext supposed to refute anything?

>>1960692
I'm not here to refute, are you fucking 15?

>>1960699

So you admit that you're full of shit?

>>1960710
>if you dont follow my ideology, your just STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>1960714

I take that as a yes

>>1950541
Oh no, people basing their beliefs on forms of epistemology besides empiricism!

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>>1960710
>Arguing on the internet seriously

>>1960742
Evolution doesn't even fit under empiricism, it's mostly ass-pulling. Hume would not approve.

>>1955577
It's better to have theories than convictions.

>>1960742
>>1960772
Please stop trolling /his/.

>>1960798
>becuz i sed so
>>1960806
>anything i dont like is le b8

>>1960772
>Hume would not approve.

Hume would certainly not approve of evolution, and neither did Popper completely.

But that doesn't mean it isn't true.

>>1960840
No science is true, science is the enemy of truth.

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>>1960856

>>1960858
>HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHASXDDDDDDDDDDD UR DUMB HERES A MEME I FOUND ON REDDIT

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>>1960863

>>1960868
>heres another MEME i found on IMGUR

>>1960824
>becuz i sed so
>he thinks blind belief in a thing without needing any rationale or proof for doing so is NOT inferior to assuming a thing that appears the most plausible at the time insofar as disproof has not been shown yet, which you acknowledge is totally possible
Skepticism requires greater intelligence. Conviction is for the weak-minded.

>>1960897
Proof doesn't exist, everyone is blind.

You aren't a skeptic, you're a masturbater. A dirty dogmatist.

>>1960904
Disproof does for certain claims.

>everyone is blind.
Some are blinder than others.

Lads how did eyes evolve

>>1952475
>I don't see a reason to judge intelligence by a person's race unless they're a Jew or an Asian.
Speaking as a guy who attends a university with a surprising number of Chinese students over here for school, I've met my fair share of pretty stupid Chinese people. Asians can be stupid too.

>>1960952
Look it up. It's actually super interesting. There are a lot of species with different stages of the evolution of the eye alive today.

>>1960612
Yet you have no problem enjoying the fruits of science.

Be a man and practice what you preach: go live in a cave and ponder the shadows

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>>1953798

AUSSIE SHITPOSTER GET OUT OF MY SOUTH

REEEEEEEEEE

Evolution is a false gospel

>>1955783
Can confirm am YEC in Chicago

Sure is /pol/ in here.

>>1950551
>south america
the catholic church acknowledges evolution you fucking dunce

>>1960922
No, everybody is just as blind as the other. Stop trying to claim superiority, ideologue.
>>1961023
Scientism isn't science, scientism is the dogma of science.

>>1956695
he won't respond because there is no argument for the validity of christian belief.

Anyone that says otherwise should read the god delusion by richard dawkins. I'm reading it now and there he organizes the entire book into responses to specific arguments for the validity of religious ideologies.

>>1961411
>validity
Platonists are fucking hilarious.

>>1960645

top kek

>>1961422
>making sure your beliefs have some sort of truth or validity is stupid I'm going to believe things that are fake

..okay

>>1961441
Maybe someone should make a smuggie for this scenario.

>>1961441
Truth and validity don't exist. They're Platonist nonsense.
>things i dont like are fake
Top ideology.

>>1961462
You sound like the guy who wouldn't accept a flower is red if you told them it was red.

>>1961471
>accepting things because people said so
Didn't you call yourself a skeptic earlier? You're being very un-Humean.

>>1955537
>and?
Once upon a time they didn't suffer from protestant retardation.

>>1950683
>America was founded by puritans
this fucking meme needs to die

>>1961531
>first people to establish English colony
>meme

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>>1961482
That ain't me, I'm just observing.

>>1961595
>observing
Subject-object confusion.

Take your confirmation bias nonsense elsewhere.

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>>1961678
>fallacies
super rational

>>1960806
Please stop confirmation bias

>>1956769
They have political power, and not a small amount of it.

>>1961678
what that guy says is basically correct until the last line, where whoever made this decided to conflate anti-scientism with some weird form of idealism
although saying "modern science", "a religion", and "debunked" kinda overstates the case
still, *basically* correct

>>1961401
Scientism is a meme word made up by people who don't like science because it doesn't support some particular pet theory of theirs so they like bitching about the people who simply give science due respect.

>>1961841
Careful, them's triggering words.

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>>1961462

>>1961462
>"arguments" and "validity" and "truth" don't exist
So why the fuck are you even here posting?

>>1961841
No, scientism is a dogma attached to science. It asserts itself as an unquestionable monolith with all other things below it, and also creates a cult around it.
>>1961869
>>1961876
>becuz i sed so

>>1956654

In fairness, everyone in central California is too strung out on meth to make rational decisions.

>>1962107
>the methodology of using evidence and reasoning is dogmatic in that it doesn't allow me to assert things without either evidence or reasoning
Please leave, shitposter-kun.

>>1962107
>>becuz i sed so
I asked you a simple question. Why are you posting here if you admit that you have no basis for convincing anyone of anything?

>>1952570
That is either really old, and I mean really fucking old, from a private school, or just plain bullshit. This is coming from someone who has gone through the Texas school system and never heard about creationism in school once. Our science programs are actually really good too be honest, really our school systems in general have been good until the recent years with them fucking up the history required credits in high school and what not.

>>1962405
You are lucky, you came after Of Pandas and People.

>>1962398
That is the definition of dogmatic
>>1962401
>the purpose of existence is to convince
fuck off
>>1962405
Creationism is more valid than any scientism.

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>>1962718
>Creationism is more valid than any scientism.
And why is that?

you're painting a broad brush by just saying "republicans". Like when people get mad when you say all leftists are sjws.

>>1961183
really made me think...

>>1962740
>one
OMG ITS 2016 STOP REJECTING MY IDEOLOGY ITS 100% CORRECT
>other
Vague theory merely asserting that presuming mass change is a massive jump in thinking, and following in the Thomic tradition.

can your fucking larpers get off the board

>>1962748
?

>>1950541

Republicans are pretty fucking stupid when it comes to anything scientific.

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>>1962748
I merely asked a question, no need to strawman.

Think of it like this. The creatures depicted here all have similar structures, and each has the ability to reproduce another, with the new being having the same structure as the old one, with a few minor variations. Is it such a leap in logic to conclude at they have a commmon ancestor some time in the past?

>>1950660
Doesn't say that anywhere in the bible

>>1962779
Yes, all Platonisms are bad philosophy.

Protestantism was a mistake

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>>1962835
So what do you bring to the table, Mr. High 'n Mighty?

>>1962856
>if you reject my bad philosophy you must replace it with another bad systematic philosophy!!!!
Fuck off back to /sci/, walking garbage.

>>1962835
>Yes, all Platonisms are bad philosophy.
>much of christian theology comes from neoplatonism

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>>1962865
So you have nothing. Good to know.

>>1962866
I never claimed to be Christian, stop making presumptions.

Neoplatonism is either bad philosophy or is actually trying to improve Platonism.

Aristotle is functionally a Neoplatonist.
>>1962879
Why do I need anything? You haven't given a reason why.

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>>1962882
Give me a reason not to.

>>1962888
I'm not a Platonist, I don't need a reason.

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>>1962894
But without reason, one is lost.

>>1954735
>that the differences between the "races" are completely cosmetic.
Which is why (medical) doctors don't give different races and people different treatment, right?

I mean, it's like they treat different categories of people exactly the same, right?

Because redheads don't need more anesthetics (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15277908?ordinalpos4), black people don't need sickle cell treatment more (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199006073222301), Ashkenazi Jews don't have genetic diseases out the ass (I'm looking to you Tay-Sachs) (https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/tay-sachs-disease#statistics), why different races don't have differing bone strengths and bone mineral density (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1863580/
), or why any of the other plethora of differences don't exist, right?

Mkay then.

Your entire post is basically about this, and you're retardedly wrong.

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/inheritance/ethnicgroup

>>1954926
>What are the results? I don't know - I'm not a fucking scientist.
I have easily a half dozen other studies than the ones I posted above, but sadly 4chan thinks this post is spam. I encourage you to just go to your local college's website and dick around in the online journals about this. If you can't do that, just use Scholar and specify a certain condition.

Alternatively, go to your local hospital and ask around or just use the on-premises medical library.

Seriously, the "race is a social construct and science says that" fags are the god damned worst. Literally your *perceptions* of race are a social construct, at best. So kindly fuck off.

>inb4 the pol fags jump in about [insert demographic]
You're retarded too, just for the opposite reason. The response is still the same though, fuck off.

>>1955720
Lower pain tolerance

>>1962900
So?

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>>1962920
So the "98.8% chimp" thing is right, then? Considering the amount of differences exhibited in beings that share 99.9% of our genome with one another, 98.8% for a chimp/bonobo doesn't seem too unlikely.

>>1954735
>individual genetics even between cousins can vary enough to deduce which one will be more likely to get cancer, bald prematurely, or have heart problems
>genetics between different races that change 'superficial' traits can't also affect things like health

>>1955497

How does genetics explain the Spice girls?

>>1962748
>>1962718
Are you alright?

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Theocratic rule under god emperor trump when?

>>1958978

> Roman numerals
> No number for null until roughly 500 AD

The Babylonians had a method for finding roots of a quadratic equation, so I'm sure the Romans had something. I wouldn't want to work in it.

But I doubt it had the complexity, rigor, or expression of algebra, which we still use largely unchanged today. It's not unlike Leibniz's notation for derivatives or integrals. Newton may have had it first, but it was unwieldy.

>>1955720
Lack of soul

So a little off topic I think the theory of evolution makes the only sense out of everything else, but why do all the models keep early hominids out of europe? Isnt it possible that we evolved alongside in europe and then the most evolved in europe eventually outbred everything.

>>1962718

> Creationism is more valid than...

Your relegion may have deep and profound things to say regarding man's nature, his need for a purpose, and the hope of a creator, but it has very little in the way of explaining how to build cars or grow sustainable agriculture. It also only had pi to one significant digit.

Can we acknowledge that we may need other books for specific areas, and that the emperical method has done quite well in many of those?

>>1955720
No but seriously better absorption of the D

>>1963060
Yes

>>1950541
I'm from Bulgaria and the local priest told me he thinks evolution is the tool God used to create people, as in he created the animals first, then took one animal and nurtured it into becoming intelligent over time, or some such.
He also believes the big bang theory and s interested in astrophysics, saying he likes exploring what methodology God used to create the earth and stars.

So people who cling to faith will find ways to rationalize.

Talk about traditional values all you want, but the failure to accept evolution through natural selection and climate change as scientific empirically true facts by itself disqualifies any political party for me. It exists elsewhere in the world, but only in Burgerstan® is it upheld by a major political force.

I keep reading that it has to do with religious motivation, which is the same as lacking mental capacity. I fail to find any reason other than crippling stupidity for the positions these people take.

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>>1950541
>holding on to your faith that helped the great nation of America is a problem

>>1963965
God didn't build our canals, railroads, buildings, or anything else.
A bunch of Irish and Chinese wage slaves did, you tripfag.

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>>1964222
>G-d didn't build our canals, railroads, buildings, or anything else.
No, men of faith did, queerboy.

>>1963235
Yes, and I'm right.
>>1963851
dude this PIC PROVES EVOLUTION LOL
>>1963917
Pi doesn't exist.

Empiricism cannot be good because it is bad philosophy.

Practicality is the opposite of truth.
>>1963964
>evolution is true because I SAID SO YOUR FUCKING STUPID IF YOU DENY MY IDEOLGY WTF ITS 2016
Fuck off you tumor.

>>1964305
> Pi doesn't exist

I'm eating it right now. Check mate, sophists.

(Also, if you check the ratio of your reasoning's circumference to its diameter, you will find it roughly equal to 3.14)

>>1964496
>reasoning is good
>circular reasoning is bad even though empiricism is based upon it

>>1950940
>cosmic evolution is astronomy


That's not even fucking correct, holy shit I hate creationists more than ever now


That's fucking cosmology, holy FUCK

>>1964678
>waaaah why wont they accept my bad philosophy

>>1952000
Why didn't this get replies?

>>1964698
What exactly are you calling a philosophy here you homeschooled retard?
If you're not even trolling, why do you spend your free time being retarded on Tibetan Water Eating forums?

>>1964708
>homeschooled
How is this a valid presumption or even an insult?

Empiricism is bad philosophy.

>>1964715
What? Who the fuck even asked you? Speak when spoken to and keep your homeschooled retarded ass nonsense to yourself spurdo

>>1964663

> Wow, the empirical method to design a better water pump
> Too bad upon doing so that I must forever give up on revealed relegion or rationality

Doesn't this way of thinking bore you? Must we all be sorted in little boxes?

>>1951331
omg that would be amazing. Next time creatonists demand equality for their world view in school or whatever, somebody start demanding that the buddhist/norse/whatever creation story also be taught.

>>1962833
that's where you end up if you add all the ages of biblical figures together.

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>>1964921
it's sea turtles all the way down man

stay Woke™

>>1951072
lmao.

>>1964928
The turtle doesn't stand on anything. It's a turtle. It swims.
also where are the elephants

>>1964950
theyre on the turtle dude, what don't you get? The turtles stand on turtles


Stay Woke™

>>1951072
this might be an interesting watch after reading that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CbH0LOa-7A

>>1963964
Climate change and the modern evolutionary synthesis are both theories.
As far as I understand it a scientific theory is not a fact, regardless of whether it is practically true or not.

>>1964927

The Ussher chronology was dismissed as nonsense in theological circles and by the Catholic Church when it was first produced. It was only revived recently and made popular by the Creationist movement as a counter to Evolutionism.

>>1964721
>autistic elitism
*laughs with hearty chear*
>>1964751
That's exactly what empiricism does though, and it reduces every single person to an object. One object is improved by another object, one object's sole reason to live is to make other objects.
>>1964921
SIMBLY EBIN :DDDDDDDDDDD
>>1965349
Truth doesn't exist, fact doesn't exist.

>>1965974
t. reddit

>>1966010
Reddit is a website of empiricists.

>>1965974

> That's exactly what empiricism does though, and it reduces every single person to an object.

So, don't carry it that far then? We're not robots with only enough room for one philosophical system as our operating system. We can switch between empiricism, rationalism, or idealism as our needs dictate.

No rules, just tools.

>>1966090
>as our needs
Fuck off pragmatist