Roman was citizenship not nationality. Get it right.

>>1948733

Different jaw, different nose, different lips, differend brows, different cheeckbones...are you serious?

>>1948760
nobody is saying that Caracalla was a time-traveling Ice Cube

>>1948760
Why are so many people saying he was the first black emperor then?

>>1948733
Nah, people had Roman passports and foreigners had slave visas.

>>1948784
Are you saying there were no niggers in Rome?

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>>1948794
pic is blks

>>1948788
Of course not.

It was all Nordics.

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>>1948801
Romans were 0% nordic.

>>1948813
Next thing you'll tell me Jesus wasn't blond.

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>>1948813
European Medeterraneans of the past were different to todays populations but that doesn't mean they were nordic.

>>1948813
and thats why they made the best art

>>1948778
Because he was of north african (paternal grandpa was of punic or berber origins) descent and ignoramuses think anything african = the niggest of niggers.

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>>1948778
Nah that was septimius severus, only he didn't look very black in most statues because they were all intentionally made to look like Marcus Aurelius as much as possible for political reasons

Romans were mutts even from the beginning

>>1948733
A berber/syria mix would look nowhere as dark as the sub-saharan african on the top right

>>1948893
What a handsome man.

I'm in love with roman statues, how the fuck did they make them like that...

>>1948896
>Romans were mutts even from the beginning

Indeed, even their foundation myths are about different peoples joining together.

>>1948903
>What a handsome man

Guy looks like a tard.

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>>1948893
I just realized how similar his statues look to those of Marcus Aurelius.

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>>1948898
the again look at those fucking curls

>>1948904
Their foundation myths are about two different italic tribes originarily living within spitting distance coming together. Hardly interractial miscegenation.

>>1948918
semites don't have straight hair.

>>1948893
>only he didn't look very black in most statues because they were all intentionally made to look like Marcus Aurelius
No, he didn't look black because a half roman half punic guy is just not black.

>>1948813
italians = straight hair
semites = curly hair

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>>1948912
now some statues that were a little older, you can see how his entire skull changed shape between them
When he rose to power he declared himself son of Marcus Aurelius and brother of Commodus
>>1948928
really?
most of these guys have pretty straight hair
and I don't think they have hair relaxers in syria
>>1948794

>>1948834
>European Medeterraneans of the past were different to todays populations
Too bad science disagrees with you. The last significant gene pool change in southern europe happened during the indoeuropean migration.

>>1948794
>Pre Arabic expansion Syrians looked like post Arabic expansion Syrians
I guess /his/ truly is lefty /pol/

>>1948941
>1948941
why wouldn't they?
converting to a religion doesn't change anything.

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>>1948941
syrians aren't arabs, pic related are arabs.

>>1948933
>really?
Are you trolling? Curly hair don't make you black. I know plenty of natural blondies with naturally curly hair.
>most of these guys have pretty straight hair
You can literally see a few guys with hair like that in the pic you linked. Most others don't have hair nearly long enough to show curls like the one in the bust you posted.
>and I don't think they have hair relaxers in syria
Yes they have. Syria is a shithole, but it's not stone age. Not that it matters.

>>1948944
Mixing with peninsular arabs changes a lot

>>1948953
either way, syrians are not arabs.

palestinians aren't arabs either, they are canaanites.

>>1948956
Sure thing bud and American blacks aren't africans either they are anglo diaspora.

>>1948949
Those are Bedouins. There's more than one type of Arab just as there's more than one type of Slav.

>>1948969
Bedouin is arab the rest are different peoples.

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>>1948956
>>1948953
>>1948975
Guys that's pointless either way, this is how most african romans looked in the 1st and 2nd century
There's literally dozens of examples like this, and consider they were all mixed with greek or italian colonists

>>1948999
African roman means fuck all because African during that time can mean Arab, Sub-saharan and so on.

>>1948941
>He believes in the rape babby myth

Roman was initially about nationality. That's why poets like Juvenal could rant about foreigners in Rome. Then it became about citizenship, and immediately collapsed.

>>1949102
If you were a bedouin quartered in a Syrian city, you would not rape the urbanized local women?

>>1949122
Roman was always about citizenship.
In Juvenal's times only italics and the provincial bureaucratic elites had the citizenship.
Then that cunt Caracalla simply extended it to fucking everybody living within the border and things went south.

>ITT: WE

>>1949127
I'm not saying that rape never happened, I'm saying that it wasn't enough to significantly shift the majority of the population. Invading forces, especially nomads, have very small populations in comparison to the place they invade. It's the reason why people living in Turkey are much closer to people living the the Caucuses despite having been "raped" by Seljuq invaders. It's also the reason why Russians are still closer to Anglos than they are Mongols despite being "raped" by them too. It's a pure numbers game, and as time progresses the amount of raping vastly decreases from the time of invasion as the invading force attempts to stabilize the whole area. About the only times where "rape babbies" was actually true was in central Asia where it was low population people supplanting other low population people, America where disease wiped out most of the original population, and in slave castes.

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>>1949179
this

why are there so many deluded niggers that come on /his/
go to realhistorywww or the streets to preach about how yous da reel israelites n sheeit lost tribe nigga

>>1949127
Funny how /pol/tards only believe the rapebabby myth when it darkens the locals, and never the other way around. Cucks much?

>>1949190
Almost every black we wuzzer here is a troll. /pol/ does worse we wuzzing on /his/ than the "black israelites" do, because those guys don't go on 4chan in the first place.

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>>1949197
Because when it is the other way around, it's not rape, but pure love.

>>1949201
I always chuckle at the old woman looking at the sky with her hands out like she's thinking "Praise white god".

>>1948733
That black looks nothing like the statue anon

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>>1949197
am I lying?

>>1948733
We already know the roman empire was a degenerate piece of shit.

>>1949219
>am I lying?
No, I'm sure you're convinced the bullshit you're saying is true, but that doesn't make it so.
Because for the most part raping the locals was not a tolerated activity if you were garrisoning (as opposed to sacking) a city. Which doesn't mean it didn't happen, but certainly not to gene pool altering levels, and not without consequences.
Regardless, you can rape, but that doesn't guarantee insemination. And insemination doesn't guarantee that the kid is actually born rather than pissed out in a pool of blood, or thrown into a river as soon as he was born.

Besides, you must admit it's funny how you always see this argument to make southern euros and levantines "blacker", rather than use the same argument to make them "whiter" by virtue of much more frequent and recent germanic or turkish respectively subjugation.

>>1949198
>Almost every black we wuzzer here is a troll.
It's called ironic shilling or false flagging

trolling is so last decade

>>1949245
you missed the joke there fella

>>1948918
ok, this guy was def a nigger

>>1949122
>>1949164
Then who were the original Romans?

Were they all white?

I always assumed that Romans were a mixed bunch and you could find all sorts of people there. It wasn't just one race.

>>1949334
>Then who were the original Romans?
A coalition of tiberine latin villagers that consolidated into a city and gradually expanded outward.
>Were they all white?
Define 'white'. They weren't nordicks, if that's what you're asking.

>>1949348
>Define 'white'. They weren't nordicks, if that's what you're asking.
nigger claiming rome wuz black detected

>>1949355
>the world is divided between nordicks and niggers
Stormturd, you have to go back.

>>1949359
black historian detected

>>1949364
Well, I'm not nordick, so by your reckoning I'm certainly black. But then chances are so are you, and in denial of the fact.

>>1949369
i am nordic, unlike you, afro-centrist sjw

>>1949373
>i am nordic
Prove it, you cucked wannabe.

>>1948999
she looks really beautiful

>>1949375
>cucked
projection

>>1949373
they were tanned white, not fucking solar beams, the temperatures in rome was high back then and therefore the skin changed, the romans werent """white""" until they let the germanics into their ranks and eventually were given passes to the city of rome. this marked the end of the true roman empire, let animal germanics into your ranks.

>>1949384
>american mutt claiming to be something he isn't
Literally the meme definition of cucked.

>>1949389
Source on that that fanfic?

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>>1948938

Agreed. But that doesn't mean dysgenics couldn't have played a role of deterioration.

>>1949407
That man is not Italian. Too good English.

The first Germanic tribesmen to serve with the Romans would have been tribal allies under the Roman system of 'Client Kings'.
Basically, whenever two local rulers had a dispute, or two rivals claimed the same title, Rome would back one of them... if he agreed to become a 'Client' of Rome. This would involve him letting Roman traders onto his territory, sending members of his family to Rome as 'guests' (hostages!) to be raised pro-Roman, and sending his men to fight alongside the Roman forces in his region.


The next step for Germanic soldiers in the Roman Army would be to join an auxiliary Legion.
The Auxilia were organized, trained and equipped along the same lines as the regular legions, but membership was open to non-Romans.
The Germanic nations were considered excellent recruiting material for the Auxilia.
One thing to bear in mind is that if an auxiliary legion was raised in one particular area - it was always stationed elsewhere.
The Romans weren't going to arm, fund and train a legion only to station it in the legionary's home country, where they could get involved in tribal wars or start a rebellion.
One legion of Germanic auxilia, for example, found itself stationed on Hadrian's wall, along with a Legion from Roman North Africa.

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Why do people always make this point with Caracalla and not his little brother?

>>1949421
>


For a while, beginning with the Emperor Augustus, German troops from the Batavian region were recruited as the Emperor's personal bodyguard.
Augustus thought the Praetorian guard, who were the traditional guardians of Rome, had become too involved in politics and power-struggles to be depended on.
The German guard did indeed prove loyal to the Emperors, but that loyalty would cost them. The unit stayed loyal to the Emperor Nero when he was overthrown by Galba. The new Emperor disbanded the German Guard.


In 212CE, the Emperor Caracalla declared that all free men in the Roman Empire would be considered full Roman Citizens.
From that date on, Germanic people living in Roman-ruled areas would be eligible to join the regular Legions, like any other Roman.


In the later Western Roman Empire, there were two developments which would change the way german troops served in Roman armies.


Firstly, there was the mass migration and settlement of the Western Goths - the Visigoths - into Roman territory.
They had been pushed west by the Eastern Goths, or Ostrogoths, who had themselves been pushed west by the invading Huns.
Rome at this stage lacked the strength and resources to fight off such a mass movement of people.
It was decided to let the Visigoths settle on the fringes of the Roman Empire, and use them as a buffer between Rome and the 'real' barbarians.
The armies of the Visigoths became formal allies of Rome - Foederati, or Federated nations, and served alongside Roman units.
Most of the 'Roman' armies in the West from this point on were actually Romano/Gothic forces.


The second development was the reorganization of the army.
The later Western Roman Empire was not conquering new territories. it did not have the flow of loot which had enabled it to field the enormously expensive Roman Legions.


It was decided to split the army into two forces - the Comitatenses, and the Limitanei.

>>1949427
The Comitatenses were the mobile field armies. Smaller than the traditional Legions, but still composed of professional troops, and well-equipped. These would function as a mobile response force, going where they were needed.


The Limitanei were basically garrison forces. They were permanently stationed in border regions, and were meant to defend the area until the Comitatenses could get there. They were recruited from local men.
But by that time, much of the population of the Western Empire's frontier region was actually German. So across most of Europe, the Limitanei was composed almost entirely of Romano-German soldiers.
Source(s):
"The Roman Army" by Chris McNab

"Rome & Her Enemies" by Jane Penrose

>>1948922
>Their foundation myths are about two different italic tribes originarily living within spitting distance coming together. Hardly interractial miscegenation.

So many things wrong with this post, but I'll start by pointing out that Troy is not in Italy.

>>1949407
>dysgenics
Seriously? Have we come to the point where a cultural powerhouse like Italy is actually a genetic deterioration just because it's not a military hyperpower?
What's wrong with you people. Do you also think that the english and french gene pool deteriorated since losing their empire?

>>1949414
I actually am Italian. Does it really surprise you? Italians here on 4chan tend to write pretty good english.
Good enough to be indistinguishable from the rest of the community anyway.

>>1949447
>the Aeneid is Rome's foundation myth
The troian connection was added centuries after the myth of Romolus and Remus.

>>1949447
>Troy
Even you consider the Aeneid connection to the greeks (and you shouldn't, it's a later addition), the story is still about the greatgrandkid of a trojan getting raped by Mars and gathering a gang of latins and then sabines (who literally lived a few kms upriver, hardly a whole different race) to found a city.

>>1949466
>The troian connection was added centuries after the myth of Romolus and Remus.

So?

>>1949447

The Aeneid states that Trojans came from Italy. After the destruction of Troy, they are going BACK to Italy.

Of course it's horse shit, though.

>making a generalization of a empire that lasted hundreds of years

Roman started out as a nationality and could still be considered one when its citizenship only extended to latins. However it eventually became meaningless, especially after Caracalla.

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>>1949327
You've probably never seen North Africans then.I see many of them every day and some have hair like that.

Pic related

t. Dutchfag

>>1949402
Snow ape pls, do your own research smdh

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>My dad is Spanish my mom is Italian
>I look indistinguishable from every other white guy
>/his/ acts like southern Europeans are literal negroes

>>1949512
>that thing
>not black
you nordcucks try to redefine race all the time don't you

>>1949447
You need to read more Virgil. The Aeneads were the progenitors of the Latins while Romulus was the progenitor of the Romans.

>>1949530
t. Tyrone Rodriguez, white american.

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>>1949520
What are you trying to imply here?

>>1949493
So it's not the original founding myth, just a later version of it.

>>1949377
what century is this from?

>>1949520
Most Italian, Spanish and Greek people are know are so much darker than the regular white people.

>>1949550
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severan_Tondo

>>1949554
You wouldnt be able to tell me apart from an anglo.

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>>1949377
drawing men darker than women is a recurring motif in historical art. Women were supposed to stay inside and keep their fair skin from being ruined by the sun.

>>1949566
Post a picture. You can crop it so it doesn't reveal too much famalan.

>>1949554
Maybe if you only define "regular white people" as the pastiest of anglos.

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>>1949569
Is this a tan white man?

>>1949569
>that guy
Further proof that Mexicans were the real egyptians

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>>1949577
what about this guy?

>>1949577
That's an egyptian. They were darker than berbers.

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>>1949572
I'm not a pussy

>>1949577
>posting an egyptian

>>1949591
that's an Egyptian

>>1948733
>those lips and noses

top kek

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>>1949569
HOL UP

>>1949591
Okay, you are white.

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>>1949626

AYO

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>>1949588

>>1949520
Yeah, there's also a meme about Slavs not being white. Everyone living around me looks white.
t. Dalmatian

>>1949450
There's no such thing as "Italy" or "Italians" though :^)

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The most educated liberal can't tell the difference between a primary source and a gay romance novel

And it doesn't help that wikipedia let pedophile edit their fantasy on the website

>>1949675
Why does the same retard post that same fucking article?
there's like 4 different ancient sources on that same event and most do reference the rape

>>1949684
t. hillary cuck

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Why can't blacks just leave European history alone?

We have historians from those days long ago, we don't need sub-saharan negroes adding anything.

>>1949721
The colour version looks a lot less disdainful.

>>1949197
>/pol/tards only believe the rapebabby myth when it darkens the locals, and never the other way around

no, if fact they take many keks in knowing the Conquistadors rapebabbied an entirely new mongrel race into existence.

>>1949728
The emperors were pretty nice guys once you got to know them.

>>1949334
>Then who were the original Romans?

literally fucking bandits squabbling over a couple hills. Then a two brothers came along, kicked the shit out of a bunch of them and got the others to follow them with promises of war brides.

>>1949591
Nice Mapuche nose Julian.

>>1949348

They spoke an Indo-European language.

That far back in time, this suggests they're (((more likely to be "white" than "not white"))).

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>>1949748

>>1949645

nose is completely different, that guy is literally Mediterranean.

>>1949739
Just like everyone else in this world.

I bet Donald Trump's also a pretty nice guy when you get to know him, despite him hating Muslims, Latinos, gays, trans people and all the other minorities.

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>>1949755

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>>1949748
>Indo-European
People considering southern euros as not-white can't possibly consider pic related white without being most dreadfully incoherent, so you're wrong.

>>1949769

Yea. Who knows, maybe if you ask him you'll find out he doesn't hate them either.

>>1949769
Your reddit is showing

>>1949769

Donald Trump hates all minorities.

>>1949774

pic related depicts a popular newspaper's idea of what the first person with blue eyes looked like, nothing to do with the expansion of the Indo-European peoples and languages into Europe.

>considering southern euros as not-white

lol

Was racism a thing back then?

>>1950026
Yes, but it was very different from what we have today. Romans would have likely based race around Aristotle's theory of "zones" with themselves and Greeks being people of the "temperate" zone. "White" didn't exist as a category, as there's no way an self respecting Roman noble would be caught dead likening themselves to the Visigothic barbarians up north.

>>1950075
Sorry, meant just Gothic, not specifically Visigothic.

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What the fuck is going on? Where did all these stormfags and WE WUZZERS come from?

>>1950120
What do you mean "where did they come from?" This was a we wuz thread from literally the first post.

>>1950120
The Germanics adopted Greco-Roman culture and formed one of the greatest civilizations the Earth ever saw. The fall of the Western Roman Empire and rise of Medieval Europe doesn't even come close to how the Blacks shot themselves in the foot for "muh independence"

Friendly reminder that only Scandinavians are white. Slavs aren't white, Celts aren't white, Semites aren't white, Iberians aren't white, Mediterraneans aren't white, etc, etc.

>>1950186
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>
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>>1950186

>>1948898
Ice Cube isn't even dark skinned.

>>1948918
Ice Cuba's hair is significantly curlier, he wore a Jheri curl back then.

>>1948966
>>1948956
Syrians are Levantine, and African diaspora people in the America's are cultural and ethnic mutts, what a bad example. And even then, genetic differences between African Americans and say, Pygmies are huge.

>>1950974
Those look more like dreads to be fair, and Caracall if he really did have black in him he would only be 1/4th black since Septimius Severus was half punic/berber and half from an Italian patrician family

>>1949591
>black hair, light eyes, pale skin

These are the best features on white people, especially on women. Blonde hair is overrated.

>>1949635
This one actually looks black.

>>1949774
That guy is a proto-Indo European. He should be darker than that. Even if he wasn't, he could be feasible as the darker than "South European", Yamnaya people.

>>1950999
1/4th black people often look like white people with a brown undertone in my opinion, like half of Puerto Ricans. Then again, race mixing can bring some interesting results, like Michelle Rodriguez.

>>1951011

That's Tiye. Pharaoh Akhenaten's mother, Tut's grandmother.

>>1948930
Curly hair is not limited to Semites, you mongoloid.

>>1951027
She's related to that inbred fuck?

>>1951083

His mother.