How did the Ottoman Empire managed to maintain a foothold in

because they couldn't?

>>1945786
Austria couldn't because every time it tried France and later Prussia started fucking them over.

Poland couldn't because it was a fucking mess.

Russia started kicking their ass as soon as they began bordering them.

>>1945786
you better ask what did save europe.

And that was the silver of the americas. The fleet that the spaniard used to fight in Lepanto was paid with that silver.

>>1945786
Poland was too often busy fighting their neighbours or their own people around the time Ottomans became any kind of threat to them.

>How did the Ottoman Empire managed to maintain a foothold in Europe for so long?
a powerful and disciplined military alongside with "good" tier administration

>>1946119
by the time russia-ottoman wars started fully (after the great turkish war of late 17th century) russia had more than twice the manpower ottomans had

>>1945786
united people vs civil warring people

>>1945786
cause France and later England....

war is exhausting

>>1945786
>Won wars
>United armies against them weren't successful until later
>Reasonably capable administration of the empire
>Good armies

Now I haven't read much about it specifically but from what I understand -- European kingdoms were too busy squabbling amongst themselves to fight the established, highly centralized Ottoman administration, and the Ottomans hit the Euros with some military tactics/innovation that the kingdoms weren't accustomed to

turks knew how to fight because they had a strong military tradition from serving as mercenaries or slave soldiery to persian and other brown middle easterns

>>1946119
this. around 40 years after the end of the thirty years war, when austria was able to get its shit together, they absolutely smashed the ottomans

>>1946872
Yes, and? That doesn't contradict what I said. Before late 17th century there were still steppe tribes between the two empires.

>>1947638
What gets me is that even though europeans were occupied by stupid shit like the 30 years' war the ottoman armies still couldn't get past fucking Vienna. In retrospect it's absolutely ridiculous.

>>1945786
Because the Ottoman Empire had manpower to burn and the European kingdoms had bigger concerns than saving a bunch of Balkanshits.

Not to mention they were allied with France.

>>1945786
Because they were quite successful fair and square until like the end of 17th century. Also they were quite tolerant towards minorities (by 17th century standards) if you check it most of the European vilayets had their own local ruler and they were allowed to keep their language and religion (even though they had to pay higher taxes). It's just much better than the alternative till 17th century which is being killed right away for being different.

The reason wasn't because Europeans fighting among themselves, there had been coalitions and still Ottomans won (Great Turkish War is at the end of 17th century before you claim that). A wise anonymous guy once said "An empire couldn't constantly lose wars and say the sun was in its eyes." about Arabic conquest which gets the same argument.

It wasn't manpower. Ottomans were many we were valorous is a stupid argument Euro-centric history created. Ottoman lands were sparsely populated and population is even then low. Highest densities were in European region. You can't expect a medieval country to be organized enough to bring in people from Egypt every two years to fight, it's impossible. Even journey from eastern regions of the Ottoman Empire probably took longer than the period at which Ottomans were involved in wars.

peace of Westphalia happened

>>1948488
It was too far away. Keeping a supply line that far and beyond so many natural obstacles was too much in that age- Thats why the Ottomans put some 100k in front of the city and hope it would work instantly. The moment they had to conduct a siege, they had practically lost.
Its the same with how they mostly won the wars against persia but still never managed to actually conquer any areas in persia proper

Or, how during the Great Turkish Wars the Ottomans were decisively defeated and still "only" Hungary could be freed, but continuing the war further into the Balkans and beyond was too much in regards to the massive armies and huge supply demands neccessary.

>>1945786
The Habsburgs were the only ones with serious intentions of kicking the ottomans out of europe but they were ALWAYS at war with other europeans powers, with protestant princes and even peasants, so they used most of their time and resources in those wars.

>>1948495
This is literally EU IV.

>>1948567
Ottomans were genius, that's why.

The shitty middle easterners didn't deserve that families administration and greatness.

>>1948915
>EU IV
>ottomans ever expanding west of Greece

>>1948488
Keep in mind, on the other side of the Ottoman Empire was Persian Empire who were no slouch either. During the Thirty Years War Ottomans fought against Persia.

By the time Ottomans and Persia chilled out, the former were already facing much more powerful Austria and Russia at its border.

>>1949709
>Playing EUIV as the Ottomans
>Spend 50 years shitting all over the middle-east with impunity
>This is easy
>Finally decide to steal the rest of the Balkans from Hungary
>Do, after a fairly exhausting and long war that I didn't bargain for
>Instantly get raped by a massive pan-European coalition.
Wasn't expecting that.

>>1949709
Yeah whats up with that anyway? In every game the Ottomans kind of underperform or just dick around the middle east. Even with all those massive army bonuses they get till the 16th century.

>>1945786
Turks werent majority of Ottoman empire. Its borderlands were very autonomous, allmost independent. Europeans wasnt care about it before 1600.

>>1949985
Austria and Poland absolutely wreck.

Also the majority of their missions target the middle-east and North Africa.

>>1948488
the fact the ottomans could even reach vienna and mount a siege there was a feat in itself

istanbul to vienna is farther than paris to vienna let that sink in