Slavery & Sex

>>1945388
This was before birth control so it would be too risky.

>>1945388
>inb4 cucking

>>1945388
They couldnt' get enough BBC, and the white men knew it.

However, if a BBC encounter resulted in a pregnancy, the results were disastrous for everyone involved, making the BBC that much more forbidden and enticing.

Is that what you were looking for?

>>1945421
Except societal jerking of the great BBC and its virtues did not begin until after the slavery was abolished.

>>1945455
>Except societal jerking of the great BBC and its virtues

Based on the persistent fears of white men, going back to slave times. Male slave owners used their female slaves to the point where the average black American is 25% white, but the whole town would go out to lynch a black man who reciprocated flirting from a white woman.

>>1945388
changing the subject some, Ive read Jefferson's children with a black slave self identified as white as adults and were accepted as such.

when did this stop being possible?

>>1945598
"Passing" was a thing for a long time, also most mulattos did everything they could to disown their black side and try to be chummy with white people, and the whole thing reversed in the 60s when mulattos abandoned whatever white identity they had.

>>1945388
Nope

It was social suicide

And simply too risky

And as a general rule white women tend to find latino and white men more attractive than black men

>>1945598

Sally Hemingway was only 1/4 black and her children were 1/8. More importantly, they looked white. Once given their freedom, they could easily "pass."

>>1945598
>when did this stop being possible?
There are accounts from most countries, even Japan, of people of different races occasionally turning up and adopting local ways and settling down into the community.
It stopped being possible post-WWI, when people first started moving not just between countries but continents to escape turmoil
The issue now is that the flow is constant, and the idea of 'multiculturalism' exists. Once upon a time a Negro or an Indian arriving in Britain would have had no choice but to settle into the community and their descendants would become thoroughly Anglicised. Now there are millions of their compatriots, occupying swathes of towns and cities and living their lives as they would in Abuja or Bombay. They dress the same, eat the same, talk in foreign tongues. They are not British, never will be and have no desire to be.

>>1945642

You might want to study American history more, chum.

>>1945604
wouldn't it have been earlier than the 60's? I am not sure when people started taking the one drop rule seriously, but wouldn't it be then?

>>1945673
>wouldn't it have been earlier than the 60's?

Yes, anon is completely full of shit. It's never not been the case.

>>1945648
or british history
or colonial history.

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>>1945673
>>1945678
what does the one drop rule have to do with mulattos historically having a "don't lump me with dem niggers massa I iz gud" and people with one black grandparent that look white successfully blending into white society?

>>1945690
the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood, going back to the time of Moses, your black.

It denied any sort of passing, or mixed identity. Even today people with large white admixtures tend to identify primarily as black.

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>>1945598
It never was

>>1945690

Passing means that people think you are white because you look white. i.e. the reason your black ancestry isn't a problem is because people don't know about it.

>>1945696

Thats what "American whites" claim.

>>1945620
I believe you mean Sally Hemings?

>>1945388
You are watching too much television.

>>1945388
I doubt it. Like really doubt it.

>>1945590
>but the whole town would go out to lynch a black man who reciprocated flirting from a white woman.

You do know the "he was lynched because he whistled at a white girl" story is a proven fake?

>>1945753

Yes, autocorrect

>>1945388
Contrary to what the reddit cucks try to say, white women don't find black men attractive

>>1945590
For good reason

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>>1945388
Extremely rare to non-existent.

History is being rewritten and this memes is being pushed by the same people behind WUZ KANGZ 'N SHEET.

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>>1945421
You forgot your tripcode turkroach

>>1945841

>>1945798
>reddit cucks

Cuck fetishism is /pol/, not reddit.

>>1945977
I bet you're mulatto or some shit

Men fearing "their" women going for men of other races when they're the ones primarily doing the racemixing. Except for Asian American men, that's legit.

>>1946226
t. /r/asianmasculinity

>>1945784
>You do know the "he was lynched because he whistled at a white girl" story is a proven fake?
Given all the things African Americans have been lynched for I don't think it's a stretch to say that happened and potentially more than once. Look what happened later on to Emmett Till
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

>>1945766
>>1945782
Why do you say this?

>>1945619
Citation needed

Yes, rape of male slaves was a thing.

>>1945388
t. cuck

>>1945388
>I mean wouldn't a plantation owner's daughter just view the strong bucks working the fields as property to be used as she pleased?

Someone watched too much porn
Slaves were malnourished weaklings

>>1945388
literally nonexistant

& the white men fucking black slaves was 500x times the rate

Sounds unlikely, women wanted a guy with social standing.

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>>1945388
>implying anyone would want to fuck picrelated

>>1945388
Slaves were considered property, not people. But some people do have fetishes for non-people. So if I had to guess, I'd think that women having sex with slaves was about as common as women having sex with dogs today. Relatively rare, but certainly not unheard of.

I'm not saying black people are animals like dogs. Just that the comparison is fair for a time and place in which they were still treated as property. This is all conjecture regardless.

>>1947300
Citation?

Delete this thread, third gen cuck

>>1948373

Implying she doesn't already have 4 kids...

>>1946240
He's not wrong. Chinese and Japanese (mainly Chinese) Americans were demonized as overly sexualized and stealing their white women in the early 20th century.

>>1948373
>implying that is an average black woman from slavery days

Might as well say Honey Boo Boo's mom is the pinnacle of white beauty.

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>>1947381

/thread/

>>1947381
oh yes of course, let's spend huge amounts of money, resources, and time to purchase and keep slaves, and them not feed them enough to work efficiently.

>>1948429
maybe considered abstractly, but i think in day to day life only the most vicious and black hearted person would actually look at another person and not understand innately that they were also human regardless of their station.

>>1945388
Yes.

>http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/the-truth-horny-white-mistresses-and-black-slaves

>>1945388
>Indeed, there is considerable documentation of white women coercing black men into having sex. According to Captain Richard J. Hinton, an abolitionist commander in the Civil War, “I have never found a bright-looking colored man, whose confidences I have won… who has not told me of instances where he has been compelled, either by his mistress, or by white women of the same class, to have connection with them” (Hodes, pp. 130-131). One former slave told Hinton that his mistress ordered him to sleep with her after her husband died (Hodes, p. 131). These are just two examples of the many stories abolitionists like Hinton told to prove the immorality of slaveholding.

In Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl (1867), Jacobs mentions how planters’ daughters would take advantage of male slaves.

They know that the women slaves are subject to their father's authority in all things; and in some cases they exercise the same authority over the men slaves. I have myself seen the master of such a household whose head was bowed down in shame; for it was known in the neighborhood that his daughter had selected one of the meanest slaves on his plantation to be the father of his first grandchild. She did not make her advances to her equals, nor even to her father's more intelligent servants. She selected the most brutalized, over whom her authority could be exercised with less fear of exposure.

>>1951278
You'd be surprised how easy it is for a person to call another subhuman

>>1951376
subhuman detected

>>1951383
I am somebody

>>1951394
>posts on 4chan
No you're not

>>1946646
There are studies that show people are more attracted to people who look similar to them

Don't believe the 'all da wimin want BBC' meme spread by the fetishists on this site

>>1951407
t. homosexual that poses erotically in front of his bathroom mirror and takes selfies

>>1951407
>people don't fetishize exoticness.

>>1951045
Hahahahahaa

I want r/asianmaculinity to leave

>>1951401
I shall overcome your bigotry
>>1951411
>>1951415
He's not wrong

>>1951415
>>1951411
Look up physical attraction studies about race

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>>1951407
>>1951411
Just 4 u

>>1951527
>tfw Asian man

>>1947806
Or someone to dominate. Doesn't even have to be sexual. Just the mocking and discrete power relationship is enough.

>>1951531
>tfw also asian man
>not just a man but a 5' 4" manlet

>>1945421
>>1945455
They never had television during those times, retrads.

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>>1945598

>Ive read Jefferson's children with a black slave self identified as white as adults and were accepted as such

Thomas Jefferson had a slave named Sally Hemings. Hemmings was mixed-race and thus she had unusually white skin compared to the other slaves. Now when Jefferson fucked her, she sometimes produced children.

Now because Hemmings was 50% white and Jefferson was about 100% white, their children ended up looking around 75% white, which was close enough that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

>>1951580
Was it at least consensual?

>>1951527
>Singlemother.net

We touched on this before friend. White cucks raise children, black gods grant the gift of them.

>>1951580
Not just 50% white, but one of those really pale 50% blacks.

>>1951422
I'm black, chucklefuck. I'm just staring an actual fact.

>>1951596

As consensual as a relationship between a slave and her owner could ever be. Which is to say "Kind of? Maybe?"

Jefferson brought Sally with him to France when he went to go see how the French Revolution was going. However, it turned out that France had abolished slavery by then (part of the aforementioned revolution). The new French constitution said that any slave could sue for freedom, which was granted unconditionally. When Sally discovered this fact, she threated to stay in France unless Jefferson agreed to free:

1. Her brother, and few others
2. Her children upon reaching age 21

Now Jefferson really wasn't accustomed to slaves making demands, so this really threw him for a loop for a moment, but he didn't really have a lot of options in that moment so he agreed.

So the answer is: "It's kind of complicated."

>>1951596
Slaves don't have consent, but who knows?

Remember everyone, it's not cuckoldry if it's just a meat dildo and not another man.

>>1951319
>>1951339
oh wow

>>1945388
women are only attracted to what society tells them to be attracted to. Back then, slaves were seen as the bottom of the barrel so women had no interest in them.

>>1945598
lol Sally Hemmings was his young wife's younger, slightly blacker half sister

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>>1945696
>the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood,

America never instituted any sort of one drop rule. If you looked white enough to pass as white, then you were white. Look at Jefferson Davis's wife for fucks sake.

>>1946311
also it wasn't even a lynching. It was two rednecks killing a black guy in the dead of night. No public mob involved.

>>1951596
yes it was, all evidence suggests that she was cool with it since it gave her a higher position in the household.
>>1951623
you can consent if you are a slave. There's nothing to suggest he pressured her in any way and she wasn't exactly in a normal slave in position. Jefferson probably wouldn't have forced her if she said no.

>>1951527
Asian women truly are the most coveted.

>>1951339
>trusting a man's self-report on his sex life

>>1953557
No true at all. People are into bestiality, and all sorts of fetishes that divert from the norm.

>>1953564
I don't doubt it's a real picture but something about it looks photoshopped.

>>1951339
>“I have never found a bright-looking colored man, whose confidences I have won… who has not told me of instances where he has been compelled, either by his mistress, or by white women of the same class, to have connection with them” (Hodes, pp. 130-131). One former slave told Hinton that his mistress ordered him to sleep with her after her husband died (Hodes, p. 131).

While these stories could very well be true, did the author not consider that these men might be bullshitting? Men lying about the women they've slept with ain't exactly uncommon.

>>1951527
OKcupid results point Asian males as the least coveted.

>>1951527
>>1951531
Evidently Asian men really like Latinos. What's up with that?

>>1951527
You realize that this shows that only black women respond to black men right? Evidently BBC is a meme.

This also shows that even though black women want black men, black men ignore black woman in favor of bitches of other races who don't want them.

Being a black man is suffering evidently. Or at the very least being too stupid to notice the woman who want you.

>>1951596
Consent doesn't really matter in a slave context

>>1953564
Welsh ancestors.

>>1953563
Now that's an interesting detail.

>>1953564

Hot

>>1953597
>Also confirmed by a former slave girl.

What reason does she have for lying? Theres enough primary sources for it to be solid.
>>1953599
>>1953619
OkCupid also isn't a good sample, since it isn't frequented by much POC, plus it's cuck central.

>>1945388
It was anal creampies and cuckoldry for everyone. If a boy was a sissy, one or two of his understanding aunts learned him to ride anally.

As long as the slave lied down and didn't move or said nothing, it didn't count as having sex with a human, but was regarded as playing with a sex toy.

>>1945388
It happened but it was far, far less common than Male masters using their female slaves.

Generally, this sort of behavior was found among widows or single-women slave owners, particularly in the large Southern cities. It wasn't uncommon for a widowed Southern woman in fashionable Southern society to keep a "favorite" male slave close by her side, usually one of the more educated house slaves who could also act as her secretary and confidant.

This would probably never happen on large, countryside plantation with a male master around. Same thing for a plantations owners daughter. The shame they would face if they were found in bed with a slave would be life-ending.

Creole culture in particular had lots of instances of female (often mulatto) mistresses having several suspiciously close male slaves.

>>1954140
what?

>>1954140
God I wish this fanfic were true.

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>>1953564

>Varina Davis
>African descent

>>1953953

Compared to Mary Todd Lincoln, Varina was definitely a qt 3.14.

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>>1951339
>They know that the women slaves are subject to their father's authority in all things; and in some cases they exercise the same authority over the men slaves. I have myself seen the master of such a household whose head was bowed down in shame; for it was known in the neighborhood that his daughter had selected one of the meanest slaves on his plantation to be the father of his first grandchild. She did not make her advances to her equals, nor even to her father's more intelligent servants. She selected the most brutalized, over whom her authority could be exercised with less fear of exposure.

Girls with daddy issues seem to be the same everywhere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O6e9uNIlvg

>>1955865
>Compared to Mary Todd Lincoln, Varina was definitely a qt 3.14

When she moved to Richmond at the outset of the war Varina was considered one of the most beautiful women in the South and a bunch of Confederate officials were totally taken with her, so much so that many of the native Richmond women wrote ridiculously petty shit about her in their diaries and they constantly wrote/gossiped about her backward Western ways. A lot of Richmond socialites tried to give the Davis family the cold shoulder at first too, because they were salty that some backwoods planter from Mississippi was president and not a high society Virginia gentlemen.

The Davis family won almost all of the Richmond society over by the end of the first year of the war though, they were purportedly extremely gracious and generous hosts and the Davis' were careful to keep out of the internal Richmond social politics.

>>1945388
The white women prolly did sneak away to fuck some slave dick here and there. But dont underestimate how little freedom and power women had in those days. Its not like the men who dominated them wanted them anywhere near the slaves in any sexual way.

>>1956120
I bet a lot of it was jealousy that the Confederate President was laying a high yellow girl.

>>1945718
But white is actually a phenotipical trait. There's no such thing as a "white" gene or "white race genes". How can you be "passing" when you look white if the only way to define whether someone is white is physical appearence?

>>1945696

>the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood

The one drop rule didn't really exist. If a black person had skin that was pale enough to appear white, then they were generally treated as being white. Hell, abolitionists liked to take pictures of slaves with whitish skin so that they could print them in magazines say "OMG THEY'RE ENSLAVING WHITE PEOPLE WE MUST BAN SLAVERY TODAY OTHERWISE NOBODY IS SAFE."

>>1953564
Actually many States had laws that mandated people be categorized black for trivially small amounts. Virginia for example said if you even one eighth black you were legally black and could not marry a white. Just think of that 7/8ths white and treated as less than human.

>>1958313

But how would anybody know?

You guys are fucking retarded

-ONE DROP RULE IS A RESULT OF JIM CROW POLITICS IT IS RELATIVELY NEW

>On March 4, 1815, Jefferson wrote a chatty 4-page letter in reply.2 He explained that slavery and endogamous group membership were unrelated in Virginia law. On the one hand, mulattos were legally Black and the law defined “mulatto” as anyone with one or more “negro” grandparents. Jefferson thereupon filled two pages with mathematical equations to show that anyone with less that 1/4 African admixture was legally White.3 On the other hand, slavery passed through the mother with no diminution regardless of ancestry, and had nothing to do with the color line. Only upon emancipation would a former slave’s membership in either of America’s endogamous groups become an issue. And so, Jefferson explained, specifically referring to one of his European-looking slaves, “if emancipated, he becomes a free white man [emphasis Jefferson’s], and a citizen of the United States to all intents and purposes.”

South Carolina has a very long history of having very prominent and not so prominent people having african heritage and being perceived as and respected as white including the "Poet Laureate of the Confederacy" Henry Timrod who grandmother Hannah Caesar was mixed race.

It created a 1/8th or more african ancestry clause because so many wealthy men had slightly more distant ancestry.

if you are from Georgia or the South and your last name is Drigger, Greenstead, Grinsted, or Grimsted or Pendarvis you are descendant of people known to be mixed race but having wealth assimilated.

George Washington's older brother openly married a mixed race woman on Mount Vernon. The mixed race woman had a grandnephew politician John Carlyle Herbert.

Also white women married black and mixed men in Antebellum Alabama and elsewhere

>>1951580
It wasn't unusual to be light skin, she was at most 1/4th african and she was Thomas Jefferson's dead wife's half sister.

>>1955971
What a cuck

i would have killed both.

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>tfw no racist GF who will buy you, consider you property, put you to work, and at night tie you to a bench and use you sexually while verbally professing her disgust at having to use you.

I have this fantasy where I'm a southern Belle married to a rich plantation owner who dies young through some freak accident. With no heirs or family members to run the place, I take over. But it's not long before loneliness starts to take hold of me and I go to the slaves quarters and let all the black men ravishing me at once, every night.

>>1958564
This is a really great post. The story about Lawrence Washington is crazy.

Weird how late racial theory developed.

>>1958661
Yeah people are really dumb about these things but there was a lot of mixing in many places without needing to "pass" because there were laws and even processes that allowed people legal whiteness.

>>1958635
That's mean. They have to pick cotton in the morning.

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>>1958591

Enough daydreaming Tyrone.

>>1953564
America also deported hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans in the 1920s(barely any Russians) for no apparent reason other than that they could've potentially be communist, but that's never mentioned

>>1959780
Source?

I'm a History major who specializes in American history and I have literally never heard of this.

The US in the 1920's would not have had the money, infrastructure, or political willpower, to forcibly deport "hundreds of thousands" of people.

>>1951319

10/10 source

>>1959923
I think he's referring to the Palmer Raids but grossly overexaggerating them

>>1945388
Didnt they castrate slaves who workef near women?

>>1960160
No, they needed their testosterone to be good workers.

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>>1951319
That source is like asking a jew about the holocaust.

negro slaves be eunuchuss clip clip nigga

>>1951527
so what I get out of this is that white people are the least racist group

>>1951319

>africanamerican.org

yeah, and hitlerwasright.blogspot is a good source for objective history on the holocaust

>>1945388
You should ask how common were sexual relation between white women and dogs. According to old medical records it was quite common in the christian world. And some dogs even hd to get their penises amputated as they would swell so much itd get stuck in there.

>>1960160
Europeans didn't.

Asians did.

>>1953597
>a slave in 19th century America bragging about fucking a white woman
What could possibly go wrong?

Are there any good accounts of white masters having relations with their female slaves?

>>1945388
Why use "relations with their female slaves"? Just say rape.

So not sex, but damn, the actual relationship between Solomon Northup and Mistress Epps (and Patsey to an extent) was fascinating as hell and I'm so disappointed that the film 12 Years a Slave gutted it.

>To be rid of Patsey—to place her beyond sight or reach, by sale, or death, or in any other manner, of late years, seemed to be the ruling thought and passion of my mistress. Patsey had been a favorite when a child, even in the great house. She had been petted and admired for her uncommon sprightliness and pleasant disposition. She had been fed many a time, so Uncle Abram said, even on biscuit and milk, when the madam, in her younger days, was wont to call her to the piazza, and fondle her as she would a playful kitten. But a sad change had come over the spirit of the woman. Now, only black and angry, fiends ministered in the temple of her heart, until she could look on Patsey but with concentrated venom.

>Mistress Epps was not naturally such an evil woman, after all. She was possessed of the devil, jealousy, it is true, but aside from that, there was much in her character to admire. Her father, Mr. Roberts, resided in Cheneyville, an influential and honorable man, and as much respected throughout the parish as any other citizen. She had been well educated at some institution this side the Mississippi; was beautiful, accomplished, and usually good-humored. She was kind to all of us but Patsey—frequently, in the absence of her husband, sending out to us some little dainty from her own table. In other situations—in a different society from that which exists on the shores of Bayou Boeuf, she would have been pronounced an elegant and fascinating woman. An ill wind it was that blew her into the arms of Epps.

>>1962657
2/2

>The mistress, however, cross-examined me frequently about Washington, which she supposed was my native city, and more than once remarked that I did not talk nor act like the other "niggers," and she was sure I had seen more of the world than I admitted.

> It has been seen that the jealousy and hatred of Mistress Epps made the daily life of her young and agile slave completely miserable. I am happy in the belief that on numerous occasions I was the means of averting punishment from the inoffensive girl. In Epps' absence the mistress often ordered me to whip her without the remotest provocation. I would refuse, saying that I feared my master's displeasure, and several times ventured to remonstrate with her against the treatment Patsey received. I endeavored to impress her with the truth that the latter was not responsible for the acts of which she complained, but that she being a slave, and subject entirely to her master's will, he alone was answerable.

>Presently Mistress Epps made her appearance in the kitchen. She said many things to me, and wondered why I had not told her who I was. She expressed her regret, complimenting me by saying she had rather lose any other servant on the plantation. Had Patsey that day stood in my place, the measure of my mistress' joy would have overflowed. Now there was no one left who could mend a chair or a piece of furniture—no one who was of any use about the house—no one who could play for her on the violin —and Mistress Epps was actually affected to tears.

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>>1962573

This book is often used to teach about slavery in American universities because it functions as a case study for how slavery was viewed by society at the time. A female slave is kept in a house separately from the others for use as a sex partner. She accepts this situation for a while until she secretly forms a relationship with another black slave. Eventually, her black lover refuses to continue seeing her unless she somehow ends her unwilling relationship with the white master.

She then kills her master at the first opportunity. She kills him basically by hitting him really hard on the head with a heavy piece of wood, and then burning his body in the fireplace to hide the evidence. However, her plan is foiled when a search party is able to identify his bones in the fireplace later. She is then put in trial for murder. Her defense is surprisingly sophisticated given in the context, with a white physician being brought in to argue that on her behalf. However, she is ultimately found guilty. The case is then appealed to the Missouri Supreme Court, which ultimately rejects her plea for clemency.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/celia/celiaaccount.html

>>1963079
I think a lot of our white /his/torians are uncomfortable talking about this.

>>1962657
>>1962661
There's also the time she asked Platt to kill Patsey and feed her body to the gators in the swamp. In the movie they had Patsey ask Platt to kill her, but in reality it was Mistress Epps trying to get her murder on.

Oh and the time that Master Epps was drunk as fuck and going after Platt with a knife, so Platt ran and stood behind Mistress Epps until Master Epps sobered up a bit and came up to her like a "remorseful child" while she chewed him out.

Were free black slave owners allowed to marry whites?

>>1964914
I said this already. Yes.
>>1963944
Its fact. I live with the fact that I come from a lot of men raping my ancestors and that rape of black women (including my grandmother as a little girl in the 1930's, no kid luckily) went unpunished until the end of Jim Crow so they should be able to confront this fact.

>>1965360
To be fair, /his/ definitely seems like a board where the majority of members aren't White Americans. I'm in this thread precisely because I have no guilt about slavery.

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>>1951527
>lowest responses for women are still higher than highest for men

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>>1951319
africanamerica.org

Ayylmao

>>1951407
My entire sexual outlook is a gigantic distortion, because of the society I'm a part of, so I'm attracted to what I find rare and unattainable. As I'm a typical American Euromutt, tall, dirtyblond and ethnically indistinguishible, I find ice-blonde, pale, eastern European women and Irish gingers to be the most attractive.

I honestly know no one who dates or actively seeks blacks.

>>1945388
>How common were sexual relations between white women and slaves in the USA?

in exploitation films? very common.

in real life? probably never.