Babylonian or Assyrian empire, which was greater? (not only in size)

Babylon. Assyrian empire was a state of constant chimp outs.

Babylonia all the way.

>>1938669
>>1938654
Assyria is the one who actually built the empire. Babylon couldn't even overpower Assyria on their own and relied on the Medes

>>1938648
>(not only in size)
Well one was greater in terms of bloodshet.

>>1938648
Babylon was gold.

Assyrians are terrorist tier.

First Babylon > Second Babylon

>>1938716
(not true, by the way)

>>1938716
no

>>1938648
Which is the oldest civilization after Sumer of the Middle East/Mesopotania? Hurritians / Urartu?

>>1941521
> Hurritians / Urartu?

Are you retarded?

Urartu was an early iron age civilization.

Just to name a few: Egyptians, Assyrian, Minoans, Myceneans, Hittities, Indus valley civilization, Canaanites, Shang.

>>1941531
>Are you retarded?
Yes I am. Autistic to be precise.

>Urartu was an early iron age civilization.
So older than all the ones you mentioned?

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>>1941521
If you're just taking about Mesopotamia, then Elam. It's contemporary with Sumer but tends to be ignored. There's also the 'Kish civilization' in Syria after 3000 BC, including Ebla, Mari and Nagar.

>>1938699
But he's right. Assyria was prone to comical levels of unneccesary violence on their own people and it lead to them being very unstable

>>1941549
>So older than all the ones you mentioned?


Earlier... Sumerians start in the copper age

roughly it goes

Copper age- Bronze age- Iron age


Urartu is pretty late, it comes before the Romans and slightly before the Etruscans and classical Greeks but there are tons of older civilizations

Either way outside of Mesopotamia proper you have:

Hittities and Luwians in Anatolia rising around 1700 bc

In Greece you have

Minoans in 2300 bc and Myceneans around 1700 bc

in India you have the Indus valley civilization rising around 2600-2500 bc

In Egypt and North Africa you have the Egyptian civilization around 3100 bc or earlier and the people of what is now Sudan who already built cities around 2000 bc, then you have Ethiopia whcih starts to develop a kingdom around 700 bc so pretty late

In South America there's the Caral civilization which develops around 2600 bc

in Italy you've got the Nuragic civilization starting from 1700-1600 bc and the Etruscan civilization starting around 750 bc

In China you've got the Shang dynasty around 1600 bc