How did China do it without US aid?

communism is not the best system, but it just werks :^)

Killing all the sparrows.

>>1932094
Deng

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>>1932099
You'll notice that when China started to become prosperous was when they ditched Maoism for Deng Xiaopings capitalist reforms.

>>1932094
Based Deng.

>>1932109
>Teng Hsiao-ping

What
The
Fuck

Communist China, like all communist states, was incredibly inefficient. However the institutions they did have were at least functional, offering a good environment for capitalism to grow. India, meanwhile, has a culture of petty corruption so ubiquitous that nothing really works the way it's intended.

>>1932109

This. Maoism was cancer that held China back from its true potential. They're much better off now.

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>>1932112
>Teng
>Hsiao
>Ping

>>1932128
Made me think

>>1932136
Chinese like their cigarettes

>>1932094
>without US aid
Who do you think buys their products?

>>1932094
Comparing China to India? Lets see...

China
>91% of the population ethnic Han
>Simplified Mandarin is taught in ever classroom in the country, understood by almost everyone and spoken fluently by the majority
>The vast majority of the population is concentrated into 1/3 of the land area of the country
>The nation has a history of unified rule and centralised government
>Centralised, totalitarian government

India
>Population fractured between several distinct ethnic groups (Tibetans, Indo-Aryans, Dravidians etc.) with each being further divided into regional ethnicities
>Several large and distinct languages/language families coexisting within the country, the largest being Hindi, spoken by ~40% of the population, with English being used as an administrative and business language as a legacy of colonialism, spoken by ~20%
>Population relatively evenly distributed across a very large land area
>A nation only unified for a handful of very brief points in history, spending most of its time as competing states, similar to Europe, its current unity is only possible in the wake of the British Raj
>Highly decentralised, democtratic government

India and China are two very different countries. Comparing them directly is like comparing the EU to the US.

>>1932264
Don't forget India's castes.

>>1932176
You do know what "aid" means, right?

>>1932094
What aid did the US give japan? Curious.

>>1932264
>>Simplified Mandarin is taught in ever classroom in the country, understood by almost everyone and spoken fluently by the majority

Wrong

Also
>hurdur you can't compare the two
Well I just did.

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>>1932605

>>1932605
Also

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/japan-reconstruction

>>1932620
Kek

>>1932605
>/his/

>>1932264
How the fug does China do that with a billion people. Fucking ants or something I swear.

>>1932731
It helped that early on, the written language was unified, allowing the various dialects to coexist without turning into various languages and vastly different cultures as a result.

>>1932731
Unification of the language occurred over successive dynasties and took place alongside the centralization of govt.

>>1932099
China isn't communist

>>1932112
>just wade giles my shit up

>>1932731
Or maybe a central empire by force, much like France or Italy, taught common culture and eventually unified the disparate peoples?

>>1932099
They had US aid. Nixon tied their economy to the world.

>10k gdp per capita is an accomplishment now

>>1932264
See the thing is, China only became 90 percent Han (people who identify as Han) with a common Language of Mandarin because of successful reforms by the KMT and CCP.

Its not some magic property thats in chinese demographics, its just that Indians can't get their shit together long enough to actually unify and standardise the forms of communication in their country.

There you go, I just compared them.

>>1932264
The chinese learned that the best way to assert dominance is how the west does it; by killing the others that live on the land and reducing those lucky enough to survive to tiny plots from which they will whither into extinction.

Look at Australia's aborigines for example.

If the indians were able to do this maybe they would have their place i nthe sun too.

>>1933535
A job for every peasant and suicide nets for every building

>>1932605
Basically kept the country from starving the first 5 years.
Controlled the entire governmental apparatus for nearly a decade, after writing their consitution for them.
Eliminated their defense budget by acting as their protectors for decades.
Gave them knowledge in the form of experts like Robert Demming.

>>1932094
They didn't. China wouldn't be a country if it wasn't for the US

>>1933775
What did he mean by this

>>1932176
>Buying other guy's products.
>Make deals where you do their manufacturing.
>"aid"
Is profits & capital dole money for you?

>>1932094
How did the US do it in the first place without having the US around to give out aid? Is this proof that time travel must exist in the future?

>>1933561
No they just Borged everything culturally.
That's why their genetics vary a lot.

>>1932099
This

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>>1932099
>China is communist
What. The. Fuck????

>>1933561
>by killing the others that live on the land

No actually, China has their own strategy thats very effective and been in practice for thousands of years.

Hanification of the regions that are not Han. Tibet/Xinjiang, etc. Suppress local religion/language/culture and make them dependent on the Han state, then limit travel to/from those areas, and finally assimilate them.

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India stayed with socialist governments until the early 90s while Deng turned to capitalism in the late 70s, which seems to correlate with this shitty mspaint where I dragged India back 10 years.

I am very strongly in favor of democracy and I hope China sees reforms one day, though the fact is it is capitalism that drives economies.

>>1933535
See you in 10 years when China overtakes whatever irrelevant shithole you happen to live in.

>>1933775
Lmfao... Fuck off... U.S. or forgein aid is a detriment to developing nations. The U.S. didn't do shit to help China, that is not in their best interest.

>>1936152
it won't, development will slow soon as resources become strained and further growth either involves massive capital investment or new technology like other developed countries

The greatest irony is that China, the "communist" country pursued crazed industrial growth and foreign export while India the "regular" economic was actually highly socialist and closed off from the world only opening up in the 90s, so China go the head start.

>>1932264
The majority of Indians who arent bumfuck farmers can understand and use English

>>1933538
China was an idea and unified state for centuries, India hardly ever was, India is literally western Europe with more poo.

>China prospered thanks to capitalism but they should stop doing what they're doing by stealing all of the steel production from the United States because it's not true capitalism™ therefore it's wrong

PICK ONE ALREADY YOU BREITBART READING IDIOTS

>>1936219
>The greatest irony is that China, the "communist" country pursued crazed industrial growth

Yeah dude, no other country has been smart enough to "pursue industrial growth". You've found the secret.

>>1932112
It's a better romanization than Pinyin.

>>1932616
>Wrong
How is that wrong? Most educated Chinese can speak Mandarin and read simplified characters.

>america outsources all of its manufacturing to china
>china becomes powerful
not rocket science

>>1936193
No it isn't. It helps a lot of nations in various ways and there is good and bad ways to do aid but if you are a dumbass you would only think in extremes anyways so you won't get it.

>>1937326
>Lots of meme poor countries have been doing US manufacturing before China.
>India, Southeast Asia, etc.
>China does it.
>Skyrockets.
Still no explaino shitto, desu.

>>1937713
Not on the scale China does and China has the unquiet advantage of a massive educated population and an even more massive underclass to fuel it's manufacturing. They continually depress wages and have no worker's rights and every worker is extremely replaceable with an even more desperate peasant as well as being huge pushovers.

>>1937723
So you just admitted it: it's not just about manufacturing.
>being huge pushovers
Not really China at all given that the Chinese public is the most rebellious bunch of cunts in the planet going by their history. So clearly the government did a lot of compromises with their people to get from Mao tier to here tier.

Besides China is also good at keeping news of unrest down. They've had a lot of peasant and worker uprisings within the PRC time period, with the most recent one at 2012 in Wukan. and with the exception of that one weird incident where a Chinese village believed that Chiang Kai Shek and the ROC is landing in Southern China and the Tienanmen Square, all were met with compromise and even acceding to the requests of protestors.

Frankly the survival of the CCP is down to two reasons
1) During Mao's time: the horrid 19th Century and early 20th century pretty much convinced the Chinese that peace under the CCP is preferable than much war.
2) Deng reforms.

Not Chinks being pushovers. If they continued under Mao's programs they wouldve collapsed into meme infighting.

Bumpan

>Communist Party controls all banks and important industries directly
>Special Economic Zones have low taxes for multinational corporations
>CCP invests half of its budget into capital infrastructure
>CCP builds more highways in a year than India has since 1949
>CCP intentionally keeps wages very low for workers whilst upping their production quotas- so basically their employers make more money as they employees make less
>CCP pegs their currency below US dollar to make sure that exports are very cheap and imports and very expensive- Chinese have poor consumption power

>China also has massive debt
>local governments in China are incredibly in debt
>have awful tax collection
>have an enormous amount of non-performing loans it has handed out
>China is struggling to move up in the manufacturing chain from consumer goods to cars, electronics
>China has huge migration problem
>China has a huge demographic imbalance due to one child policy causing the murder of baby girls
>China has huge inequality between rural and urban areas
>China has rising separatist movements in Tibet and Xinjiang

>>1937723

China has a long history of revolt and protest. In fact even today China has 150,000 riots a year and those are only the ones we know about.

>>1938295
>150,000 riots
>150,000
wut

>>1938300

Sorry, I meant to say "riots and protests" and Elizabeth Economy, who is a renowned scholar on Chinese society estimates it actually at 180,000.

http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2012/02/07/a-land-grab-epidemic-chinas-wonderful-world-of-wukans/

>>1936246
everyone values industrial growth but how committed they are is another matter, a typical generalissimo would rather spend $1000000 now than invest it and receive maybe $50000 a year if he is lucky