When is it okay to break the law?

>>1915899

morality has nothing to do with law

When you have money

>>1915918
That's just purely false - law is derived from morality, is it not?

>>1915899
When you can get away with it?

When the body of power controls knowledge so thoroughly as to be prohibitive to the pleb, the body of power must be disobeyed

>>1915933
oh boy here we go

>>1915933
>is it not?
kek

I love when people write in such a in-the-clouds style that they'd never use if speaking.

But what morals do they use to determine the law is a problem. The morality of an educated Western Liberal is far different than that of a Medieval Feudal Lord.

>>1915933

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Laws are a spook.

>>1916008

That's a spook.

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>>1915933
No, it's not.

What the fuck is law derived from then?

>>1915899
When you don't get cought.

>>1916074
The self interest of the person enforcing the law.

>>1915933
Morality is derived from the ego, ergo laws are derived from nature ----> Natural laws come from the Universe=God.

Checkmate atheists.

>>1916074
Laws are purely pragmatic compromise between a state and it's citizens.

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When it contradicts your higher standards.

But for that to work you must keep higher standards and ethics, it doesn't work if you are a promiscuous degenerate and claim "muh conscience" to keep breaking the law.

When a law is unjust. Anything that prevents you from an action that doesn't harm anyone else, for example.

>>1916074

Willful deviation from the natural state.

>>1916102
Why should there not be laws to protect people from themselves? How do you define harming someone? Is say pumping a bunch of coal into the air and not paying attention to what waste goes into the water harming someone?

>>1915936
This, as long as you do not get caught, everything is fair.

>>1916138
A society ideally restricts the liberties of its members as little as possible while maintaining as high a quality of life as possible. Using these, and some common fucking sense, yes pumping shit into the environment without regard for the effect the pollution will have is indeed harming not just someone, but many people.

>>1915933
Laws influence morals, and morals influence laws.
One is not inherently derived from the other.

>>1916157
But how do you define liberties?

>>1915899
When it is to seize power.

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When you feel like it

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>>1915899
It never is. The Gods care not a whit what we do and morality is a comfortable fiction.

t. Shang.

>>1915936
This

>When the law is being used to perpetuate an injustice against society any any specific group therin
>When the law is nonsensical and the breaking of that law neither harms nor inconvieniences anyone.
>When your immediate survival is at stake. Stealing a loaf of bread to avoid dying of starvation, for example.

All legal alternatives to such an action should be explored thoroughly, and one should seek to inflict as little harm/annoyance as possible.

>>1916636
You mean, when you feel like it AND it benefits you.

>>1916074
people

When you're marlon brando or elvis, then you actually made the law at one point. Luckily, i'm neither.

>>1916074
What people, or more likely their governing bodies, decide what beneficial or harmful to do. Good governments make laws to protect society and deliver justice to those in need of it, bad ones to enrich those in power at the expense of the public. Though in the case of the latter, it is common for your basic 'common sense' laws (no murder, stealing) to be enforced (selectively) to maintain public order.

>>1916074
How to "best" make a group of humans function together as a single unit. In Enlightenment-based Western principles, anyway. Laws are, of course, as often as fallible, culturally subjective and imperfect as humans are.

Still, the origins of codified law have to do with how to make humans living together not all kill each other or act totally selfish. Look at Hammurabi's code, the Ten Commandments, etc. All early codes/laws were dealing with humans who were relatively new to living in inter-connected villages.

>>1916083
>Universe=God.
Wow, how convincing. Check out this christfag logic everyone.

>>1916102
Most things will arguably harm someone in some way, though.

>>1918176
>Not praying 5 times a day, growing a beard and keeping your baby-mama in the house under a bedhseet all day is an injustice to Allah

>Not praying 5 times a day, growing a beard and keeping your baby-mama in the house under a bedhseet all day is nonsensical and inconvenience to your soul's eternity, and offends Allah besides

>Stealing bread or not praying 5 times a day, growing a beard and keeping your baby-mama in the house under a bedhseet all day is vital to your soul's eternity, and is irrelevant to Allah. Thieves will not taste the pleasures of paradise in the afterlife

>>1918208
It's funny, because defying Islamic law pretty much meets all three of those qualifications at once. Mostly by the virtue of wanting to avoid a religious flavored IngSoc society.

>>1916019
actually it isn't, read the book.

>>1915933

What? No.

>>1916092
I'd let her protest in my cellar all night long

>>1915899
When the benefits outweigh the consequences, when you think you are doing the right thing, or when you perceive the law to be unjust.

However, when you break the law, expect to get punished.

>>1915899
>okay
i assume you meant legal

when youre in a country that doesnt have those laws or in international waters or on another planet

>>1915970
And their laws in consequence are also different, so that's not a strong argument against it.

>>1915933
At best it's a bunch of compromises, at worst it's a way for one group to oppress another.

I personally believe that the law works best when it's not derived from people's moral opinion, but provides a framework whereas people can act based on their moral opinions.

>that middle aged-ness setting it
He's starting to look like a blonde Bam Margera

>>1916181
Best answer

When they disobey God's Law.

>>1915933
law is derived from the desire of the elite to mantain their power structures

>>1915933
please re-evaluate everything

>>1920211
not true at all, some laws yes, all law no.

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NO

Law != justice.

Sometimes justice takes precedence over law. Just how it is.

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>>1920212
name ONE law not derived from morality

>>1915899
When the law is protecting criminals and by breaking it you're helping bring Justice.

>>1921190
The laws of physics

>>1921190

http://www.dumblaws.com/

>>1915899
I think that the movie "Higher Principle" (1960, Czechoslovakia - a period of time (until 1968) when our movie industry way making some good shit) is basically about this question and it's consequences, you should czech it out.

>>1916067
>autistic german nigger obsessed with positivism
>right about anything ever

>>1915899

Whenever you can get away with it, or whenever the good that can come of breaking the law outweighs the suffering you will endure for breaking it.

>>1921190

Trafic laws.

when the law is shit