christianity or islam.why?

>>1914368
I'm an atheist through and through, but assuming I'm a King and I were to be forced to choose between the two, I'd choose Christianity for the populace. At the very least Christianity has managed to solve its doctrinal issues through centuries of warfare. Now they're pretty chill (Ireland being the exception). Islam has not yet been able to fix its doctrinal issues so it's much more likely to lead to civil war/social unrest by its inclusion.

Furthermore Islam is much more of a political ideology as well. Any society that is infected by it, slowly but surely has its characteristics eroded in favour of a barbaric worldview. I don't doubt that given a couple of centuries it has the potential to be the docile version of modern Christianity, but that won't happen anytime soon.

>>1914368
Islam
Society at large will treat you like a white during apartheid, you can get away with treating your wife like a slave and refusing to interact with homosexuals, and you'll be well-prepared in case the /pol/ Islamic takeover meme somehow becomes real

>>1914368
islam

>>1914368
Greco-Buddhism

islam
cause britanistan

>>1914368

Islam would be /pol/'s perfect religion if it wasn't practiced by brown people

>patriarchal
>conservative
>hierarchical
>you've got to be willing to fight for it
>has many diff flavors from patrician mystic to plebeian fundamentalist
>comes with its own built in legal and economic system
>degeneracy frowned upon
>eye for an eye is actually practiced
>nasheeds

>>1914430
this

it's hilarious how similar /pol/tards and ISIS-fanboys sound when they both rant about the state of the modern world on twitter. I really wish they'd stop pretending to hate each other and just fuck already.

>>1914368
I'd convert to Islam in a heartbeat if there was a significant white Muslim population. There are only two types of Christians left: those secular in all but name, and those who use Christianity as a vehicle for liberal ideology. Islam is a force in its own right, and more in line with nationalism - no bleeding-heart "the meek shall inherit the Earth" scripture to fudge your way around.

>>1914439
/pol/.
>>1914368
That's ali.

>>1914439
the muslims and neo-liberals are both kicking your fucking ass because theyre not hung-up about retarded memes like whiteness, anon.

holy shit white nationalists are retarded.

>>1914368
Christianity because it's true

Secular islam>secular christianity>fundamentalist christianity>fundamentalist islam

>>1914480
whats example for secular islam?

>>1914446
>come on commie, the capitalists are kicking your arse because they're not hung up on retarded memes like public ownership of the means of production

If "winning" requires giving up the central tenet of your beliefs, it's not really winning, is it? And that's without considering the practical difficulties of joining a mosque where English isn't the natural language and the social order revolves around Pakistani tribal politics.

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>>1914488

>>1914368
Christian theology makes absolutely no sense. It was clearly made up as they went along with even more elaborate bullshit to cover up the contradictions. However, christian morality is, at it's core, fairly good.

Islam is the opposite, it doesn't require much bullshit to explain the theology, however the morals and practice of Islam is cancerous.

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>>1914488

>>1914438
extreme right-wingers are just as prone to infighting as the left, it would seem.

>>1914499
Alawites aren't muslim m8, not even they believe that.

>>1914508
yes they are

>>1914508

>alawites aren't muslim

stop saudiposting please

this religion is just made up.both of them

>>1914430
>eye for an eye is actually practiced
This isn't a good thing.

>Inb4 but christianity
The meaning of an eye for an eye in Christianity isn't what you think it is.

>>1914505
It's a bit of a stretch to call Islamism vs white nationalism infighting.

>>1914530
>eye for an eye is actually practiced
sauce mate or gtfo

>>1914534
I'm not the one who made the claim faggot. I only rolled with it.

Kys

>>1914508
takfiri on my his
s-m-h habib

>>1914508
The fuck are you talking about

>>1914532
More on the reactionary front but yeah. The fact that Salafists want to kill or repress non-muslims and /pol/ want to kill or repress non-whites and muslims kind of precludes any cooperation, regardless of how similar their doctrines are.

>>1914573
Not to mention that Salafist movements have a track record of actually killing people. For all their rhetoric, I'm pretty sure the average /pol/ user would have a crisis of belief if they went outside and a cute black girl smiled at them. I can't imagine a meeting between keyboard white nationalists and battle-hardened jihadis ending well.

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>>1914508

>takfiris
>on my /his/

*Allahumma salli ala Muhammed Wali Muhammed intensifies*

>>1914534
It is by ISIS definitely, and probably some other salafists. There's some surah or hadith that says the punishment should match the crime or some shit. It's the reason behind some of their more bizarre torturous deaths.

I remember it being discussed because they burnt that Jordanian pilot. Death by burning is forbidden in Islam, but ISIS justified it by saying the pilot had burned people with his bombs, and that the "eye for an eye" surah or hadith was more important/authentic/recent whatever than the one that prohibited burning.

>every single muslim country is a shithole
>every single christian country bar ex commie ones are 1st world
haha rekt

>>1914613
Many of those battle-hardened jihadis started as twitter-muslims in France though. People can turn savage pretty quickly

>>1914628
>all those rich Christian nations are soulless consumerist wastelands which will fall to Islam by default once the ageing Christian population dies off

Haha, Islam sure got rekt huh?

>>1914489
if 'whiteness' is a central tenet of your beliefs you never really bought into the whole christianity concept m8. The concept of a 'white race' was developed during the colonial period by the same money-grubbing elites you now despise as a method of pseudo-scientific confirmation bias to justify their exploitation of the wogs. 'christendom' is at least a spook with some real history and honor behind it

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Jesus Christ is a better role model than Muhammad, so I would say Christianity.

>>1914649

>first century jewish beta virgin nu-male too meek to even protest against his own execution
>role model

>>1914489
>waaaahhhhh converting to islam is too hard and I feel alienated around all these pakis even though they share my regressive patriarchal values

you sound like a fucking pussy dude

>>1914639
>all those rich Christian nations are soulless consumerist wastelands
The Arabian peninsula is the "soulless consumerist wasteland" par excellence, and also the home of fundamentalist Islam. I've been to Lebanon too, and it's not much different. Syria is supposed to be nice but it's literally a failed state, likewise Iraq. Turkey is lovely but it's the most secular in the middle east despite it's current ruling chimp. Same with the Maghreb.

I'm not seeing any correlation here 2bh phamme. The middle east over all is more consumerist than Europe, and probably around equal with the US.

>once the ageing Christian population dies off
Birth rates in the middle east are lower than christian African countries. African muslim countries are high too.

>>1914643
>you never really bought into the whole christianity concept

No shit. As I already said, the core tenant is white nationalism. Christianity was useful because (with the right interpretation) it could be used to unite countries, raise armies, justify Empire, blah blah blah - and most importantly, provide a working model for the family. It's no longer capable of even sustaining itself, much less moulding society.

And race does indeed exist, as everything from skin colour to sickle-cell anaemia to the 100-metre dash testifies. That we got it wrong in the 19th century doesn't make the concept irrelevant, any more than aether made physics irrelevant.

>>1914679
>And race does indeed exist
okay but why is it important?

>>1914368
Neither.

>>1914368
Anything aslong it isn't judaism or islam.

>>1914368
mormonism, best of both worlds :)))

Islam. Not even a competition.

>>1914649
A fairy tail god in the flesh.
An actual human that manipulated the minds of millions via religion to gain power and recognition.

Yeah Muhammad was based as fuck. He literally just altered the religion and made up stuff as he went along and gained millions of followers and fucked many honeys. He's the ultimate chad of mankind.

>>1914368
They're both based on Jew horseshit, so neither.

>>1915252
>>1914662

Now imagine if everyone went around manipulating people like Muhammad for their own gain.

Now imagine if everyone were like Jesus (impossible, I know) and loved their neighbour as they loved themselves, and forgave one another.

I know what ideal world I would want to live in.

>>1915284
Jesus from what universe? There's so many bibles which is which.

>>1914489
Move to Bosnia
Plenty of white Muslims there

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Not islam.

>>1915308
Kill them all please. They are turning into Christian innovators

>>1914430
>>1914438
Islam is also anti-science and anti-free speech, so nope

>>1915284
Tbf, one of those scenarios are a reality and one is an unattainable fantasy

>>1915318
You wouldn't be posting on 4chan right now if it weren't for Islamic scientists. You wouldn't have medicine or the foundations of the evolution theory.

Prophet #1
>turns water into wine at a wedding party, feeds 5000 people with 12 baskets of fish and bread, walks across a lake, and then raises a man from the dead by telling him "get up and walk."

Prophet #2
>goes into a cave escorted only by his child bride, comes out with a book that he claims was written by an angel

What else did Mohammad do to show people he was a prophet? Did he perform any miracles or guide many people towards better lives?

>>1915357
Was Islam absolutely vital to their discoveries? Could similar discoveries have not been made in that region by different Scientists had Islam never spread?

>>1915367
His child wife was years after that. His first wife escorted him and she was a much older widow.

>>1915368
I'm just stating that Islam doesn't oppose science

>>1915357
>>1915318
Also to expand on that, most certainly the Islamic Scientists of the past followed a long gone, different interpretation of Islam, one that was influenced by Non-Islamic philosophy, from the interpretations of Islam widespread among Muslims today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%CA%BFtazila

>>1915388
Islam today isn't Islam from the prophets time. The ottoman empire needs to retake the throne and make Islam what it's meant to be again. Saudi can get fucked. They've done nothing but tarnish the religion of Islam to where Muslims can't even teach their kids about jihad anymore. They've been cucked by non Muslims and are limping dogs. Kill Saudi and their funded terrorist groups and everybody who helps them cover it up.

Islam. By 2100 it'll be #1 anyways - that's if WW3 doesn't take place

>>1914368
Spooking in a spook thread

>>1915412
You mean wahhabism not Islam as described by Muhammad

>>1915404
>Islam today isn't Islam from the prophets time
Islam was probably worse in Muhammad's time, what with it's aggressive expansion.

>The ottoman empire needs to retake the throne and make Islam what it's meant to be again.
Why the need to revive and decaying Empire that was put out of it's misery long ago? What was Islam supposed to be other than a vehicle for Muhammad and his friends to dominate Non-Arabs and other Arabs?

>They've done nothing but tarnish the religion of Islam
It wasn't exactly a jewel to be tarnished in the first place.

>>1915412
Sometimes, I realize Islam will be the first religion on Earth and the largest population will be Africans.
Islam is the most backward religion of them all, and African the most backward people of them all.

It's fucking sad.

How did we end up here, anons ?

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>>1915456
>and African the most backward people of them all.
>he unironically thinks that north africans=black african niggers

nono

>>1915318
Why would any fanatically conservative, hierarchical, anti-degenerate, and ideologically militant religion, movement, ideology, or political entity be pro-science and free speech? That's as nonsensical as claiming fascist romanticism or Nazi mysticism or Maoist "anti-revisionism" or what have you were pro-science and free speech.

Literally the same religion. So it doesnt matter.

>>1915376
So basically anything relevant to the modern world.

Christians literally believe the earth was fucking 6000 years old

>>1915499
I meant the Sub-Saharan Africans and you know it. They make over 80% of total African population and it's growing as fecondity of North Africans is going down.

I still prefer them to the wannabe Arabs tho.

>>1914368

They're both shit. Greco-Roman Pantheism is the only good choice in history.

christian ofc
muslim
>giving excuse to kill someone
unreal!

>>1914368
Christianity because Jesus was a great man while Muhammad was an illiterate pedophile and mass murderer.

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>>1915322
It's possible if you trust in the Holy Spirit.

im not an atheist or any other thing outside the religion but i think you wasting your time arguing about something that is quite useless
>>1914368

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>>1915412
>implying we won't just proselytize at them and convert them

I'm half-convinced this is the real reason Francis supports the refugees. He's tired of dealing with all the atheists in Europe, and he figures he's better off flooding the continent with devout people, even if they're not Christians, because there's a better chance of reawakening the faith with them.

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>>1914613
>the average /pol/ user would have a crisis of belief if they went outside and a cute black girl smiled at them

Christianity.
It got reformed and isn't stuck in some beackwards medival state.

>>1915308
>islam will become the same degenerate shit that catholic has become
feel good man.

>>1915308
>whine about how liberals give Islam a free pass
>see this

I take it all back. Dammit Islam, you were supposed to offer an alternative to our brave new liberal utopia, not bow down to it.

>>1914438
As a /pol/tard I can't wait for this delusion that we need to fight the Muslims to break.

>>1914439
This

>>1916592
But were already assisting Saudi in spreading their version of Islam and killing real Muslims.

>>1914368
Neither.

>>1916221
Refugees, sure. General Muslim population? Not quite. There's a reason Muslims in the West appear more devout than Muslims in the East. They see how much their faith is at risk so they exemplify it as much as possible. It's also why a lot of people misconceive the progeny of Muslim immigrants in the West to be more "secular" which is not the case. They might have hold more secular beliefs, but if they're parents were religious, faith will become their first identify. And that's happening right now to most Muslim youth.

I'm sure the same is happening with Christian youth. Just not the Christian population as a whole.

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>>1915318
>/pol/ddit
>free speech

Real Islam has never been tried

>>1914368
If you are a genuine monothiest Islam is literally the only option

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>>1915308
How is this even possible? It's against their doctrine, which is supposed to be even more important in comparison to other religions?

>>1915308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8S6Hd-5bk

>>1917429

Liberation and trying to separate themselves from wahhabism

>>1917444
then they are not muslims. They are just motheistic deists that wear degrading clothes.

>>1917474
The way Muslims dress is about modesty. Its only degrading to unironic feminists.

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guys this girl said she wants me to fug her brains out but my pastor said sex before marriage is a sin and i needed to accept christianity or islam and live according to gods law

i'm so confused what do i do?

>>1917485
She's not attractive enough to sin. White women are trash. This isn't pol

>>1914439
>Rhere are only two types of Christians left: those secular in all but name, and those who use Christianity as a vehicle for liberal ideology.
Entirely false.

>>1914662
>Socrates is a bad role model
>Siddhartha is a bad role model
>>1915322
>is-ought
>>1915318
Science is a garbage ideology.

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>>1917485
fuck the shit out of her

>>1917481
then why they defend it? i mean, yeah, it's up to them to decide what they wear, but islam madates it because somehow the female body is filthy, which is against what they preach. If they just wear it because "we muslim lol xd", then they aren't actually part of the religion, they're just following a goddamn fashion trend.

I just don't get it. Are Americans that stupid?

>>1917485
>disgusting old hag

>>1917474
wahhabism isn't "true Islam", it's just one of several groups. Even if these muslims deviate sharply from the the quran and hadiths it doesn't mean they cease to be muslim. would you consider christians who don't consider homosexuality a sin to not be real christians? or how about churches that allow women to teach anyone besides other women or put women in leadership positions? religious groups are constantly changing their beliefs and values.

>>1917506
Islam mandates its dress code to cover beauty and dignity and to be modest. Its not about being filthy.

>>1917485
sex shaming is just reverse psychology IMO go for it but actually don't because it's a sin: ''ooohh jesus mary and joseph what am I doing'' kind of stuff

>>1917509
>>1917510
so now islam it's going through its "protestant revolution"? Well, if that means less suicide bombers, fine by me. All religions are degenerate anyway.

>>1917522
Suicide bombers are wahhabists not Muslims in the sake of Islam revealed by Muhammad. It technically doesn't go against sharia law but wahhabism isn't true Islam.

>>1917506
Mu`adh bin Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Whoever gives up wearing elegant and expensive garments out of humbleness, when he can do so, Allah will call him on the Day of Resurrection and before all the creations, He will give him the choice to wear whichever garment of Iman he would like to wear."

[At-Tirmidhi].


Riyad as-Salihin
(The Book of Dress)
Sunnah.com reference : Book 4, Hadith 24
Arabic/English book reference : Book 4, Hadith 802

Has nothing to do with filth. Islam also has dress code for males.

Is there a reason why Christianity was able to reform and not islam

>>1917573
Because Islam doesn't believe in changing the word of god. That's why its the only legitimate monotheist religion.

>>1914368
Christian art is better so that's one thing I guess.

>>1917576
>legitimate monotheist religion
they just combined a bunch of judeo-christian texts together and gave it an arabic flavor.

>>1915574
Only a bunch of nutjob Protestants believe that. Catholic and Orthodox Christians reject Young Earth creationism

>>1917743
Your point is?

>>1914679
>And race does indeed exist
It has no bearing in biology

>>1917743
I noticed how much Islamic texts borrowed from non-canonical work and then slapped on "Word of God" to make people believe in it. That shit is like published fanfiction.

>>1917506
Islam is hypocritical. Muhammad preached about chastity, while fucking his harem of wives, and sex slave to boot.

>>1914368
Christanity
They put way too much arabic culture into islam
also
>no alcohol
>no pork

>>1914368
Islam.
Muhammad had a thing for lolis

>>1917485
Know ye not that fornicators will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

>>1917776
Islam promotes chastity until marriage. And it's forbidden to have sex with anybody that isn't your wife.

>>1917777
Muhammad was a heretic because there was no fucking way Yahweh would make some non-Jew his final prophet.

>>1917791
This is why they get four wives

>>1917798
They don't "get" 4 wives. It's acceptable to have up to 4 wives but only under certain predicaments.

>>1917796
yeah he borrowed a lot of jewish history and scripture into arabic culture and called all the jewish prophets "muslims". i read somewhere that even many of the jews that knew him back when he was alive thought he had some type of mental issue and even though they most of them thought jesus' messiah claims were bullshit a bunch of them still followed him and became the first christians because he was a rabbi

>>1917796
Muhammad probably had seizures but I think he had good intentions and his work still makes more sense than Joseph Smith

>>1914368
Islam doesn't like alcohol. No wonder Russia chose Christianity instead.

>>1917811
>called all the jewish prophets "muslims"
FUCKING KEK.

>>1917791
Bullshit. Anyone who wasn't married, and had the money to, bought himself a slave and fucked her till his heart's content.

>>1917819
Russia doesn't give a shit about your religion. Speak Russian and they'll be glad to accept you. It's a no bullshit country though. They don't care if you're a faggot or twink but there's laws against discrimination. Man up and get over that fact that not everybody accepts you or get out.

And Russia doesn't hate Islam. Islam is the second largest religion in Russia. They hate Saudi and wahhabism.

>>1917823
I should add:

fucked her/him to his heart's content

>>1917823
Said nowhere in the Quran or Hadith. Marrying a slave required her to be Muslim and consent to marriage. Fucking a non muslim would have you exiled. Rape would have you whipped or killed.

>>1917824
Did you even read what that other anon wrote? Russia chose Christianity over Islam because of the Muslim's prohibition on alcohol consumption.

>>1914368
Make up my own religion from the ground up.

>>1914368
Christianity because ROMAN AESTHETICS.

>>1917830
Vladimir chose Christianity because it was also the religion of the most powerful, wealthy, and civilized of Russia’s border nations, the Byzantine Empire. And he wanted Anna, sister of Byzantine emperors Basil II and Constantine, who offered her to Vladimir as a bride with the condition that he be baptized. Vladimir didn’t like the dietary restrictions of Islam and Judaism, but that wasn't why he chose Christianity.

This is /his/ not /pol/.

>>1917827
>Said nowhere in the Quran or Hadith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum
Interpret that however you want, but many Muslims in the past took that as free licence to fuck as many slaves as they want, outside of marriage.

Muhammad was one of those Muslims. Muhammad never married the Sex slave he'd been fucking when he got tired of his 11 wives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya

So Muslims did in fact fuck around outside of Marriage. If fucking a non-Muslim was punishable by exile, they'd just force their slaves to 'convert' to Islam, fuck them all they'd want, and never marry them.

>>1917849
Not even clicking those because Muhammad had 9 wives, and you are being blatantly ignorant.

Muslim actions does not represent Islam, the Quran and Hadiths do. Why are you even here?

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>>1915467
aahahaha holy fuck this is scary
i love this. definitely christianity though because we don't fuck goats and let our bitches show off their hotness. lets be serious, everyone likes to play a lil grab ass on train n shit, in the elevators, u nomsayin bruh

>>1917852
>Not even clicking those because Muhammad had 9 wives

My Mistake, he had 13 through out his life, but 9 at one time.

What is relevant is that Muhammad had multiple wives, and a sex slave whom he had a child out of wedlock with, but never married.

>Muslim actions does not represent Islam, the Quran and Hadiths do
Do the actions of Muhammad not represent Islam?
Do you deny the fact that Muhammad owned a sex slave whom he never married?

>>1914368
>>1914368
I would choose some sort of Cathodox Christianity because
-beautiful rituals
-encourages art-making
-loves wine
-taxes arent bad
-no dietary restrictions
-no circumcision
-councils sort out disputes
-jesus as a role model would pacify the people.
-islam already has its own shitty political system

>>1917852
Islam allows sex with slaves. Don't deny it.

>>1917877
But sex slave is the wrong word for it. In Islam, rightful ownership of a slave is the same as a wedding contract with a free woman. It is permissible to have intercourse with them, but you can't rape your slaves (or wife) all you want against their will. Her honor is upheld just as a free wife would be.

"If a man acquires by force a slave-girl, then has sexual intercourse with her after he acquires her by force, and if he is not excused by ignorance, then the slave-girl will be taken from him, he is required to pay the fine, and he will receive the punishment for illegal sexual intercourse." (Imam Al Shaafi'i, Kitaabul Umm, Volume 3, page 253)

Slaves were to be treated like any free person in Islam. They were to wear the same clothes as their owners, eat the same food, live in the same homes, etc. If a slave owner did not treat slaves properly, they would be taken away from them. Islam also highly preaches of educating slaves and converting them to Islam and then freeing them because it is a great reward. Islam is against forcing religion on anyone.

“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)

Whether Muslims choose to follow or not is up to them, but their actions doesn't change what Islam preaches.

>>1917811
>>1917796
I feel like he had some envy towards Jewish monotheism and that's why he ditched the Arab paganism and made up this new Judeo-Christian Pan-Arabism religion

>>1914368
Christianity. If I were some type of ruler then Islam would have my country overpopulated.

Just as a matter of procedure, Jesus has more license to reinterpret Jewish scripture than Muhammad has to reinterpret Jewish+Christian scripture. Muhammad merely claims to be a prophet, while Jesus claims to be the Jewish god made flesh. There's a higher level of authority at work.

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>>1914368
I'm pretty sure God told Abraham that He (God) would take care of Ismael and Haggar.

But as with the Pharisee when the Messiah actually came, man, specifically the Pharisee and their followers, still couldn't shake their pride and self-made laws...Christ did not come to bring peace, but war. When Jesus Christ came with the flag of God, righteousness, and love, that's a direct act of war against the world, which is evil. So Jesus Christ truly did not come to bring peace, but a sword against evil. Jesus Christ declared war. But the same way that evil crept into the Jewish religious leaders/Pharisees, is the same way evil crept into Christian leaders and traditions....YOU CAN BET the same evil crept into God's attempt to assist Ismael and his descendants.

Our mission is to search out the truth. Part of the truth is love, for our neighbor. Everything though, is in the Gospel. If anyone rejects this, dust your feet off and walk on. Pray for them though, try not to hate them. We all know what it's like to be drunk on bitterness and hate and unable to see any truth, as we were once blinded by what we thought was offensive.

With that said, Christ's words and teachings are so well polished and thorough, and more recent if I'm not mistaken. You can't go wrong with His words.

The righteous proclamation regarding the teaching about the Holy Spirit, the thorough engineering perspective the Holy Spirit gives people, by allowing people to examine things by their fruit. The Holy Spirit is what teaches you everything, truth, people with hidden evil motives.

>>1917946
Judaism or Christianity was not monotheist, and that's what Muhammad didn't like. Islam is the only true monotheist religion.

The Hebrews were henotheistic, they did not deny the existence of other gods. To do so in the ancient world would have sounded insane. The Hebrews simply were unified in worshiping their god, Yahweh, and Yahweh commanded them, as did other gods, to worship him before all others.

Christianity originally made doctrine of the Father and Son, the question is how the Infinite appears as finite. Christianity was bifurcating their god, borrowed from the Hebrews, and then later made a Trinity out of it, all while maneuvering their way in the Roman world, where again, no one in their right mind denied the existence of many, many gods.

Neither of those are absolute monotheist.

>>1917935
>Slaves were to be treated like any free person in Islam
With the important distinctions that they were not free. They were still treated like property, and were punished if they didn't do as they were told.

Also what we were discussing her was chastity in Islam. What good is preventing fornication, and preaching chastity if anyone with enough money could buy as many slaves as he wants and fuck them? Can't you see that this is an enormous loophole, that even Muhammad used?

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>>1917979
>YOU CAN BET the same evil crept into God's attempt to assist Ismael and his descendants.

This evil though, it caters to the pride. People themselves invite it in.

When pride is in a fanatic, it turns his zeal for God into a blood lust almost. These muslims that are so eager for death and destruction are no different then the Pharisee that was eager to kill a sinner with stones, the Christian who thinks "God hates fags"...when God wishes for no one to suffer, but for them to turn and repent....but when the fanatic tries to judge them before God does, declaring them guilty before God gets a chance to work with them...I think these are 'some' of the ones who Jesus will tell to depart from Him, he never knew you.

Basically, I don't think we can't judge anyone and claim they're guilty before God has his chance to work in their life.

>2 Peter3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

>>1917963
Take away the supernatural "god made flesh" part and Jesus still has more authority when it comes Jewish scripture because he is actually a Jewish man. He had loads of Jewish followers and they spread across the world. Muhammad was not Jewish but was deeply inspired by their religion and mythology. He had some Jewish friends but most thought he was a lunatic and false prophet. His view towards Jews grew more hostile in his later life because of various disagreements.

>>1917982
>Islam is the only true monotheist religion
OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN.

>>1918005
They were not treated like property, but family members.

Gustave le Bon says in Hadaarat al-‘Arab (Arab Civilization) (p. 459-460): What I sincerely believe is that slavery among the Muslims is better than slavery among any other people, and that the situation of slaves in the east is better than that of servants in Europe, and that slaves in the east are part of the family. Slaves who wanted to be free could attain freedom by expressing their wish. But despite that, they did not resort to exercising this right. End quote.

The Islamic prophet Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. On many occasions, Muhammad's companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. Muhammad personally freed 63 slaves, and his wife Aisha freed 67. In total his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves. The most notable of Muhammad's slaves were: Safiyya bint Huyayy, whom he freed and married; Maria al-Qibtiyya, given to Muhammad by a Sassanid official, whom he freed and who may have become his wife; Sirin, Maria's sister, whom he freed and married to the poet Hassan ibn Thabit and Zayd ibn Harithah, whom Muhammad freed and adopted as a son.

And people with enough money were encouraged to marry. Chastity was only preached until you were married. Marriage was preached to be as soon as you were able to afford a wife. There's no loophole. Also slaves were earned through war booty. There was no buying slaves other than zakat to free them.

Islam preaches chastity, but celibacy. If you're able to marry, then do so.

>>1918023
but not

>>1918005
>Slaves
>treated like any free person in Islam
Do they even hear themselves speak? You can only be one or the other. No such thing as a slave that receives equal treatment. Otherwise you wouldn't be a slave.

>>1918028
That's good ol American education for you. Slavery is bad!

And technically they weren't slaves, but servants.

>>1918032
>bluh bluh it's just AMERICAN BRAINWASHING
Tell that to the slaves in Mauritania

Islam because i wouldn't need to find my own wife
My family would do that. Most christians are beta virgins

>>1918028
Christian movements helped end slavery in the Western world. No such thing happened with Islam and they had to get the fucking Brits to convince them to stop owning slaves.

>>1918016
Islam was on a whole other level of whack

>>1914368
Christianity because I love booze

Why is Islam and Judaism fine with polygamy but Christianity against it?

>>1918061
Religion is a tribal survival ideology. Apparently the Romans didn't like pussy.

>>1918061
Because the Romans were fiercely monogamous. There's a lot of Roman influence on Christianity. Catholicism should be the most obvious one.

>>1918061
Rome was more gender egalitarian than the societies of the Arabs and Jews.
Their monogamy laws influenced Jesus a lot.
Women played a really important role in early Christianity.
Paul had very different ideas to Jesus though.

>>1915318
There is nothing in the quran that says science is dissaproved.
The prophet actually said that the ink of a scholar is more holy than the blood of a martyr.

>>1915454
Every empire was better in its time of aggressive expansion also the ottomans brought stability and safwty to many war ravages regions they only lacked scientific enthusiasm but made up for the rest.
Islam also used to be better butthe saudis defeinitely ruined the relgion with their fundementalism.

Id convert to Islam if there was historical evidence of Islam being practiced before Muhammad.

>>1918082
Prior to Islam the tribes around Muhammad were pagans. They would sacrifice random shit at the kabah. He was a merchant and traveled a lot meeting monotheist people and learned a lot from people who followed the scriptures of Abraham. He created his own religion based off of Judaism and Christianity and spread it around his region. He went to war with the pagans taking over the kabah claiming it was built by Abraham and his son. Then he made out Christianity and Judaism to be wrong because they aren't truly monotheist. They don't deny other gods. To be Muslim you must worship Allah and believe there is no other god. He was well educated in the scriptures hence why he wasn't 40 until he started spreading Islam. It wasnt divine revelation. Just a smart ass dude that had a passion for power and fucking bitches

>>1918082
Muhammad just thinks the Jews and Christians were misguided Muslims

>>1918129
>He was well educated in the scriptures
He still made a shit ton of errors though

>>1918134
That's just my theory. Of course there was errors because he's human not a prophet.

>>1918138
No, he made scriptural errors regarding Jewish texts and him not being Jewish limited his understanding. But he had the gall to call Jews wrong on their own holy texts.

>>1918149
Muhammad was a pos but it's not as bad as the Christians who persecute Jews and think they killed Jesus

>>1918129
Instead of thinking how can I prove he was a prophet, think instead how can I prove he wasn't a prophet.

Didn't some Muslim forge texts about how Jesus denied being the son of God and pretended one of his apostles wrote it?

>>1918149
Not to mention the punishments. They were normal at his time but he actually was receiving divine revelations from a god that knows everything, then wouldn't he know that morality and ethics change over time and that such specific punishments would be unjust? Every time I ask a Muslim this they just say well oh Allah knows what we don't know and sharia law isn't an obligation stated by Muhammad bla bla bla. It baffles me.

>>1918156
Yeah it's full of mistakes and they attributed the authorship to Barnabas of all people. He was literally travelling around with Paul, one of the most pro-Jesus-is-Divine people out there

>>1918153
I once saw this thread on /pol/ about how Jesus being Jewish was all a conspiracy created by Jews to control gentiles. They were trying to find "evidence" that he was a pure white Aryan. They think Christendom is great because "muh heritage", but really it's a mean of social control to help them DEUS VULT against Islam. Too bad they can't handle the fact that Christianity began as a Jewish sect. The first Christians were Jewish, the Bible was written by Jews and their savior Jesus was a Jew - even called "King of The Jews".

>>1918149
Jews questioned their religion a lot which is why we have that stereotype about Jews arguing all the time. Islam relies on the supposed "word of god" so there's nothing that can be altered and thus it will remain static instead.

>>1918156
I've seen Muslims use it as "proof" that Islam is the One True Faith even though it gets absolutely everything wrong. Apparently Jesus is not the messiah but they call him "Christ" anyway in the Gospel of Barnabas. It's hilarious, really.

>>1915318

>/pol/
>the board of science

WEW
E
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>>1918193
/sci/ is the board of science

>>1918193
When did I ever say /pol/ was the board of science? It's where I go to read delusional conspiracy theories. They're wilder than /x/ could ever hope to be.

>>1914438
but das gay.

>>1918190
>Gospel of Barnabas
I'm reading through it right now and it's giving me an aneurysm

>>1915388
There were also inspired by Greek philosophy which they only became aware of after contact with Christians.

>>1914368
Neither. I'd rather choose Buddhism. Fuck Islam though.

At least Christianity and Judaism can admit to internal errors. Islam states that the Qur'an the unaltered Word of God but it continuously contradicts itself. Even something like alcohol consumption is unclear.

>>1918149
I never understood why it said that humans were created from water but then it had them being made of dust.

>>1918190
He is considered the messiah. Just their idea of what the messiah was supposed to do is similar to the jewish idea; ie. establish a worldly empire

>>1918320
What are you talking about? The Gospel of Barnabas denies Jesus being the Messiah but they still referred him to as "Christ" which means the same thing as Messiah

>>1918213
Those unclear parts were written by Satan to confuse you

>>1918353
So you're saying Muhammad is Satan?

>>1918224
There's other parts that say humans were created from cum and dust

>>1915404
The Ottoman empire turned Hagia Sophia into a mosque. Fuck off.

>>1915412
China will win WW3 and make the world atheist.

>>1914368
orthodox christianity because every current islamic country is absolute shit while most christian countries are doing gud

not to mention islam is unaesthetic as fuck, and their followers are inbred after fucking their mother for a thousand years

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>>1914430
>>1914438
Nope

Islam is a degenrate mongrel religion

>>1918416
>>1918405
Go back to /pol/

>>1918416
"no racism in islam"

I thought the trading of black slaves began with Islam

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>>1918426
not an argument, go back to tumblr you low-test cretin

>>1914368
They're both just rip-offs of Judaism for gentiles.
At least Christianity was made by Jews, unlike Islam which was made by an Arab who was jelly of Jewish mythology.

>>1918433
Go back to /pol/

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>>1918435
go back to tumblr

>>1918439
>>1918435
You two need to stop shitposting.

>>1918426
Go back to Saudi Arabia

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>>1918435
>>1918439

>>1917915
Those are good reasons. If I were a king and needed to choose a religion then I would go for Christianity. Islam allows polygamy and cousin marriage. I don't want my kingdom to be overpopulated and inbred.

>>1914368
I like Catholicism because they have the epic Latin choirs

>>1918383
What does that have to do with anything tard

>>1918567
What do you think of Orthodox music?

There is literally nothing wrong with either religion

>>1914368
Christianity. Because there's few restrictions compared to Islam.
Jesus was celibate and had a pure soul.
Muhammad was a con artist and womanizer.
He also encouraged people to drink camel urine.

>>1918662
>"Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine)."

>>1918149
>No, he made scriptural errors regarding Jewish texts and him not being Jewish limited his understanding. But he had the gall to call Jews wrong on their own holy texts.

That's only if you assume the Jews referred to in the Quran are strictly orthodox, and not some sort of Arab-Jewish syncretic faith. Same for Christianity in the Quran.

The idea that Jewish and Christian doctrinal criticism in the Quran is targeted at both religions in general seems to be a later development when Islam became its own distinct religion.

>>1918345
Islam isnt based on the gospel of barnabas...

Muslims believe he is the messiah and will return to destroy the jews.

>>1918213
abrogation

>>1918224
>>1918378

Prime example of how shitty English is, English translations of the Quran are all terrible.

God made the first human (Adam) from clay. From there all humans were made from sperm. God made us from dust (Adam) and then water (semen aka reproduction).

>>1918405
>believe we all came from the same 2 people
>deems incest unholy

Top kek

>>1918429
Arabs invaded Africa and enslaved Non-Muslims. Had nothing to do with them being black. Race segregation is only a recent phenomenon.

>>1918603
They are both delusional.

>>1918662
>>1918668
He encouraged people emigrating from other climates to drink milk and urine from a camel as medicine. He didn't "encourage people to drink urine". They both actually do have health benefits but I won't discuss that because it's not related to Islam, else it would have been stated.

>>1919133
Islam states Jesus will kill the Dajjal, then take Yajuj and Majuj to Mount Tur and then praying to Allah to make Yajuj and Majuj perish.

The whole idea of prophesy is what makes me not believe in a God as a deity or religion in general. If there was one God that created everything and wanted us to worship him, then why not reveal himself to all of us? Why not teach us all individually about what he expects from us, instead of a "prophet". He clearly can do anything, so if worshiping him is what he clearly wants from us, he could do a better job at it.

To me God isn't a deity. It's just a personification of creation. It's just a word used to describe things we can't explain. No different than people who speak about Mother Nature. It's just the mere force of nature that I just barely missed death in a car accident. Thank God.

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>>1919664
>Islam states ISA will TRY to kill the CHRIST, then take Yajuj and Majuj to Mount Tur and then praying to SATAN to make Yajuj and Majuj perish.


Fixed that for you

>>1919731

"There is no prophet between me and him(i.e. Jesus Christ),and he shall descend. So, recognize him when you see him. He is a man of medium height, of ruddy and fair complexion; he will be dressed in two yellow garments; the hair of his head will appear as though water was going to trickle down from it, whereas it will not be wet. He will fight people in the cause of Islam, will break the Cross and kill the swine and will abolish jizyah; and Allah will put an end to all communities in his time except Islam; and he will slay the Antichrist(Dajjal);and he will stay in the world for 40 years; then will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral Prayer for him." (Abu Da'ud and Ahmad).

>>1914368

The heart of Christianity is that Jesus is God, manifested in the flesh, died for the sins of humanity on a cross, and rose again from the dead.

Islam directly and completely contradicts all of those tenets of Christianity.

The bible warns of false prophets who will come in his name and spread a "new" gospel about a different Jesus, and that such a person is accursed.

Mohammad is accursed.

>>1919720

He does.

You've ignored him your entire life, which is your right, and you are extremely foolish to exercise said right.

>>1919974
There were Arian Christians who didn't believe Jesus was God in flesh. Up until the Council of Nicaea decided they were heretics and Trinitarianism is a obligatory Christian tenet, they were as Christian as anyone else.

How do you know that the majority that held Trinitarianism was a fundamental belief weren't the false prophets as foretold in the Bible, and the Arians and Muslims were actually right?

>>1914628
>every single muslim country is a shithole

How about Qatar, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Oman?

>>1918032
>That's good ol American education for you. Slavery is bad!

Yeah, just like human sacrifiece.
We need a more relativistic approach to nonwestern societal control mechanisms.

>>1919991
that's Docetism. Arian christianity believed Jesus had real flesh but he wasn't equal with God the Father and was created by him

>>1920079
None of those are true Islamic countries. Saudi follows wahhabism for example.

>>1920081
Comparing slavery to human sacrifice now are we? This isn't libbie reddit.

>>1917485
Become a Muslim and marry her and three other qtpatooties

>>1920349
Arabs have nasty bodies as they age. Wouldn't mind a petite qt Malaysian wife to convert for.

>>1914368
christianity if i'm in a christian country, islam if i'm in a muslim one. christianity has better aesthetics though

>>1917862
>let our bitches show off their hotness
You're confusing Christianity with the West when the two have never been more fractured

>>1914378
/thread

>>1917499
Science is not an ideology, idiot.

>>1914368
I mean Jesus is a prominent figure in Islam so I really get the best of both worlds by going with Islam

there both fucking horrid

>>1922102
There's more about Jesus in the Qur'an than any other prophet. And he's the one that will come back to earth some day.

>>1922106
i'm not confident in my knowledge of religion but isn't Jesus the only prophet thats allowed to bring people back from the dead.

>>1922115
In Islam, God works through His prophets. Some men were revived on the day Moses went up the Mt Sinai.

>>1914430
>>1914438
>/his/ complains about /pol/ strawmanning
>proceed to just make shit up about /pol/

>>1914649
What if I told you that Jesus Christ is the most mentioned prophet in the Quran after Muhammad?

>>1922290
The Quran is Bible fanfiction but a better quality one than the Book of Mormon.

>>1919133
Islam isnt based on the gospel of barnabas...
No one said Islam was based on it. But a lot of Islamic scholars use it to "debunk" Christianity.

>Muslims believe he is the messiah and will return to destroy the jews.
Which is why Islam is a cancerous religion. Muhammad just ripped off a bunch of ideas from Jewish mythology and then accused the Jews of being in the wrong. Besides, Jesus was a Jew.

>>1914379
Just because Muslims do what they do doesn't mean that its Islamic. Treating anyone like a slave will expel you from paradise.

>>1914368
Both worse than shit.

>>1922290
Jesus is the most mentioned prophet with Moses coming second. Not much about Muhammad in the Qur'an.

>>1914368
Neither.
But I love seeing Muslims use Bible verses out of context as "predictions" of Muhammad being the final prophet.

>>1922614
I've researched this during my religious studies class and all I could find were Christian apologists taking it out of context as well to disprove the mention of Muhammad. Religion is nothing but a he said she said. Its ancient politics. None of it was real. It was just spread for power and recognition. I'm not saying I don't believe in god but religion is bullshit used to manipulate people in an ignorant point in history.

>>1922760
>I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

>"When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father--the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father--he will testify about me." John 15:26


According to Muslims these two bible verses refer to Muhammad. It's a bit of a stretch.

>>1922290
That would make sense since he was trying to convert christians and jews to his new religion.

>"Hey guys look jesus and moses were really prophets like me, so follow me or die!"

>>1922843
Same verses that both sides argue about but they're always different translations. I feel like religious debates in English will never reach a compromise because its such a terrible language. There's Arabic words that have hundreds of English translations then some that have none. Pick and choose to suit your bias. Even in Arabic itself scholars argue over the true meaning. Allegory sucks.

>>1922848
He didn't kill anybody for not being Muslim. He killed people who tried to oppress and kill him and his followers for being Muslim. He would have jews curse him and have decomposing animal limbs thrown at him while he prayed. He never broke prostration or retaliated. In Islam you're only permitted to kill out of self defense or if non believers are trying to conquer your land. Don't confuse Islam with wahhabism.

You should read the Qur'an in various translation with different commentators and read the hadith. Don't base your views on websites like religion of peace and wikiislam

>>1922760
I actually know of Muslims who believe Muhammad was predicted in the Bible. And yeah, religion is bullshit. No disagreements there.

>>1922863
Wahhabism is pure Islam

>>1922943
Muhammad was a bigger con artist than St. Paul ever was

>>1922943
Sunni Islam is the direct practice of Islam taught by Muhammad. Or you could argue Shia. Wahhabism didn't come around until the 1700s. It's a corrupt denomination of Sunni Islam. In the practice of Wahhabism, people would be flogged or stoned for anything from performing or listening to music, dancing, fortune telling, amulets, television programs (unless religious), smoking, playing backgammon, chess, or cards, etc. Which has absolutely no reference in Quran or Hadith. No where does it say to punish somebody for committing a sin. They are wannabe God larpers. Wahhabists kill other Muslims simply because they sin, they force religion on to peaceful people or kill them, which ironically condemns you to hell in Islam, and its founder Abd ul-Wahhab showed little scholarship. Every major figure to inaugurate a significant movement of renewal in Islamic history has been a prolific and influential writer, two examples Uthman dan Fodio and Dihlawi. Abda al-Wahhab is not remotely comparable to either.

You lack knowledge of either Islam or Wahhabism and should study more instead of just reading a few blog articles written by people more inept than you.

>>1922943
>own Brother who was an actual Islamic scholar wrote an entire book explaining how retarded he was
>first order of business is to invade Muslims and destroy the tombs of Ali, Muhammad's Grandson.
>The Quran specifically states "Whoever declares that there is no god but God and prays toward Mecca is a believer" yet they are killing off Muslims for playing music or watching TV non-believers and kills them

Wahhabism was created by a heretic with no more knowledge of Islam than you.

>>1923011
>>1922985
>B-BUT NOT ALL MUSLIMS

Why do Muslims follow Hadiths when it clearly states not to in the Quran?

http://submission.org/Corruption_of_Religion.html

>>1923011
>Wahhabism was created by a heretic with no more knowledge of Islam than you.

laugh

>>1914368
The meek will inherit the earth muhfugga, the only good ideology is a benign one.

So daoism and a couple of others are also all right. But not Islam.

Wow people need to chill with their pro-Islam defense bullshit.

Anyways, to answer OP's question...Buddhism desu...

>>1914368
>>1914368
Christianity because unlike these dumbasses I know I'm not going to be some rich oligarch in the islamic world, I'll be a normal citizen who actually has to play by the ridiculous rules set forth by islam.

Say what you will but in modern times christianity has become a better religion for the normalfags.

>>1923071
Apparently being unbiased and stating facts correcting people posting misinformation is pro Islam. I'd do the same for Christianity but not many people have posted about it. I think both are wacko, but that doesn't mean I slander them and spew off assumptions and misinformation I read from hate blogs as facts.

Just autism from me studying religion in my meme degree.

>>1923071
>>1923086
Wait, buddhism is an option?

Well I don't know much about buddhism but what I've heard is that it is egalitarian, peaceful and mainly focused around self enlightenment.

If that's the case then I'm obliged to change my answer to buddhism.

>>1923118
>Just autism from me studying religion in my meme degree.

Exactly. Now shut the fuck up.

>>1923137
The problem with Buddhism is that a lot of the concepts were just too hard for laypeople to understand and religious syncretism over time led to it being absorbed into Hinduism. This is why Buddhism died out in it's native India.

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what do muslims do for fun?
it seems like islam bans everything enjoyable

>>1923143
Also white Buddhists are awful. But that's another story.

>>1923145
Child and cousin marriage.
Drinking camel piss.
Arabizing and destroying ethnic minorities.

Mmmh
Its believing in god manifested in the flesh 2000 years ago versus believing god made some desert warlord ride into heaven on a winged horse 1400 years ago

I may be biased as being from a christian country but of both ridiculous claims the former one seems more believable.

>>1923137
>egalitarian
A lot of Buddhists believe women are inferior and unable to obtain Nirvana.

>peaceful
Uh, well, I guess it is when compared to other religions but there's cases like Myanmar.

>and mainly focused around self enlightenment.
It gets jumbled up with a bunch of other things and there's plenty of disputes to be had. Tibetan Buddhism is especially messy.

>>1923137
That's every religions claim. Even Buddhism has its history of oppression.

Themilitary regimeofBurmafrom 1988 to 2011, had strongly encouraged the conversion of ethnic minorities, often by force, as part of its campaign of assimilation.

>>1923150
/pol/ does the same things but change camel piss to trump piss

>>1923168
>A lot of Buddhists believe women are inferior

Ever major religion thinks that

>>1923177
And Arabizing with Westernizing

>>1914368
Can I pick Druze? It looks so interesting.

I don't know much about it but Zoroastrianism seems chill

>>1914438
Extremism is extremism.

College liberal extremists want race and gender segregation from white men and want conservative depictions of women in media.

>>1923193
>special snowflake cult
stay pleb

>>1922850
You seem to lazy to think for yourself.

Why would a verse in the bible talking about a coming israelite prophet refer to muhammad?

And as for this 'comforter', the people who actually wrote the book believed it was the holy spirit. Why would you believe some people that came along 500 years later and say "let me tell you what your own book means"

>>1922863
I see you fell for the dawaghanda meme.

>>1923159
>but of both ridiculous claims the former one seems more believable.

No it doesn't.

GOD MANIFESTING HIMSELF vs MIRACLE X - gee I wonder which is more hard to believe!

>>1923205
Pick any modern religion, they're all to a large extent repackaged Zoroastrianism

>>1918416
>/pol/ complaining about racism

irony.avi

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>>1923674
>2016
>Not believing in memes

>>1914368

chritianity is much darker, more pessimistic, and quite closer to reality than islam

islam is like a way to cope with the reality christianity brought out in the middle east, like a way to cope by just forcing 'buisness as usual' work-fight-breed

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Islam intrigued me because there's actual Historical artifacts of Muhammad and his companions and predecessors. Christianity intrigued me because Jesus Christ sounds more believable than some 40 year old merchant being possessed by God for the rest of his life.

Muh barbaric punishments and Islamic hate memes, I think Islam proved to be a more complete and static code of a religion. What I don't like about Islam is that Muslims actually believe in Hadith stories even though they contradict one another and they contradict the Quran. The Quran says that it is the complete word of God and nothing was intentionally left out. Yet you have these Hadith stories not related to the book at all and people actually believe them and consider them to be Islamic. Like the personifications of Allah in Hadiths even though the Quran states he isn't a being we could comprehend. Or don't spit in front of you because that's where Allah is, even though the Quran states Allah is everywhere, to your front, right, left, etc. So would it make any difference where you spit? Or even contradictions like don't cross your legs laying on your back, then another Hadith mentions Muhammad laying on his back in a Mosque with his legs crossed. And all of the womanizing and treating Women less than you is all in the Hadith, not in the Quran. Hadiths say husbands are responsible for their wife's sins even though the Quran says each person is accountable for their own sins.

I'd have to give Christianity a slight edge over Islam just because of that fact that Hadiths completely fuck every thing else up in the authenticity of Muhammad and the Quran.

But I'd never convert to either. I went to church all through my childhood and never once believed a thing they were saying, because they were too racist and hateful against each other, even though that's not what the Bible preaches.

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I'm a practicing Christian, but I'd have to say Islam. Christianity today is a joke and is just a watered down version of what was practiced by our ancestors.

Why won't I convert? My entire family is Christian and conversion would be the equivalent of spitting in their faces. Looks like I'll have to force myself through it for the rest of my life.

>>1924606
>by our ancestors
that's not very monotheist of you

>>1924626
>implying Christianity is monotheist

They believe in 1 God but they don't deny others

>>1924634
I'm pretty sure they are past henotheism by now

>>1924604
That's the cancer of every religion. It's acceptable for "scholars" to change the word of God and to say what is true or not. Look at how many denominations of Christianity there are. It's pure heretic. I'd personally prefer following the book and not some scholar that innovated the religion.

>>1914368
Is secularism the greatest advancement for a society to achieve? I feel like it is, so I choose neither.

>>1924670
Secularism isn't about being non-religious, but leaving religion out of the state and education system. Most Jews and Christians are secular. Most spiritual religions are secular.

>>1924670


Islam would be ideal if it was secular.

It's punishments for certain crimes are barbaric and there's no reason that you can't punish them in a better way. It says to cut off the hand of a thief, but how literal is that meaning? It says nothing about dealing with a thief with no hands, so can it really be taken literally? And it doesn't say anywhere that you can't punish them any other way.

And no where in the Quran does it say to punish people for committing sins. Killing faggots has nothing to do with Islam. Whipping people for committing sins (wahhabidonetoislamism) is no were stated in the Quran.

I feel like Islam was once a great religion during Muhammad's time, but then people considered scholars just ruined it making up their own laws rules. If it doesn't go against anything that's wrong, then it must be Islamic, even though it's not stated in a book that said it's complete and nothing was left out. Sound logic.

All of this Islam posting.

Die.

>>1925553
I died. Now wut

>>1914430
>degeneracy frowned upon

hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

>pedophilia
>bestiality
>rape
>ooga booga levels of violence
>art is haram
>music is haram
>fun is haram
>wine is haram
>camel piss is fine to drink

It's a barbaric sand religion and the world would be better off if every muslim converted to any other faith, and every copy of the koran was burnt to ash.

>>1925829
Those are all /pol/ positions. Even camel piss in the right context.

Thinking Islam is barbaric and thinking /pol/ is civilised is a contradictory position.

>>1923145
war

>>1923618
>actually using pleb outside /mu/

>>1914368
Christianity because even though I grew up non-religious, I had many friends who hated Islam. I have a Coptic friend who told Muslims would relentlessly harass his community and it's one of the reasons they left for America.

Just how many things are considered haram?

>>1924655
Islam is literally just one guy taking ideas from other religions and making stuff up along to suit his own needs

>>1925829
/pol/ believes in all the same things

>>1925864
Exactly

>>1925864
Ahmed please, no sane person respects your shitty cult. Islam is a cancer practiced by a bunch of primitive baboons whose mindset is still set in stone age. No amount of whitewashing will ever change that, because you will never be able to change the words written in your vile book, nor you will ever be able to change minds of your savage, subhuman followers. The only cure to Islam is a bullet.

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Judaism

>>1926470
Replace Islam with every religion if you study the history of them.

>>1926536
No, Christianity and Judaism have a bunch of different people fighting and creating the canon. Islam was a one-man-show.

>>1915318
>/pol/ is pro science
>/pol/ is pro free speech

>>1926446
>pleb is just a /mu/ thing
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