MAP THREAD

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>>1907456

>>1907456
What is it with you Anglos and always using Reich instead of empire when talking about German empires?

>>1907464
Gee I wonder why we use the German word for empire when talking about German empires

>>1907464

What is it with you Anglos and always using Equestrian instead of Knight when talking about Roman cavalry-based citizens.

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>>1907469
But that's stupid. You don't use the native words for any other empire that there ever was. It's always the French empire, Mongol empire, Inca empire.
>>1907470

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>>1907464
One of the most spastic comments I've ever read.

>>1907477
>But that's stupid. You don't use the native words for any other empire that there ever was. It's always the French empire, Mongol empire, Inca empire.

What a fucking strawman.

I DO use the native word, what fucking historian doesn't?

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>>1907477

>>1907481
i see his point - in most (all?) other cases, it's [nation] [english word for polity], but in case of the german reich, it's, well, it's [nation] [german word]

like he said, it's french republic, not french republique, it's united provinces of holland not united veredingingewhatever, it's kingdom of bohemia, not kralvostvi bohemia...

>>1907493

Again, strawmen, the fact you don't use French Republique just shows how retarded you are and you shouldn't apply your retardation to other people.

>>1907493
Thanks m8

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Imagine what could have been...

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>>1907464

>Thinks Reich and Empire mean the same thing

>>1907493
Because Reich doesn't necessarily mean Empire, while all other examples you have used have equivalent in English language.

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More maps, less autism.

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>>1907519

When you get down to it, Maps are pretty fucking autistic themselves.

>>1907504
why not 'realm' then?

>>1907535

Again, not the same meaning, with connotations in realm not present in Reich.

Why "Tsar" instead of "Emperor" when discussing Russia? Same reason.

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>>1907524
And here is an autistic map to round things off.

>>1907528
How can Finno-Ugric even compete?

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Surprised this wasn't the OP, this map is in all map threads

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>>1907524
>When you get down to it, Maps are pretty fucking autistic themselves.
>That moment when you expected to post exactly that, but you were too lazy to rephrase that
At least let's stick to the proper kind of autism.

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>>1907560
So sad :''''''(((((((

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>>1907565
Still not enough.

>>1907560
>Sudetenland
>mutilation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>1907549
tsar didn't occur to me, that's a good example

still rather weird how you have virtually all titles that are e..g not, say, 'emperor' translated into english as 'emperor' but then blam you have 'tsar' (or 'reich' for countries)

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>>1907584
English is not the only such case, to be honest.

I think it's all about certain languages. Bulgarian Empire also had a Tzar, a name that Muscovite rulers also adopted later.
Look at it this way: those that claimed legitimacy of Rome had Emperors (HRE and ERE), while Slavic Tzars claimed to be their equals of ERE/successors after the fall of ERE.

>>1907569
>le romanians aren't just indoctrinated wallachians(slavs) meme map

10/10

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>>1907987
Couldn't quite make it out so I found a larger one.

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RETURN THE CLAY

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>>1907648
There were no Vlachs in Transylvania, and Vlachs are no Slavs.

But I am sure you have some proofs that they are Slavs, if you think so.

>>1907493
>>1907493
Ausfag here. I use HRE, German Empire, Austrian (Habsburg) Empire, Nazi Germany.
People using Reich (outside of Third Reich), but use English words for other national entities tend to just be germanaboos

That or they are actually German

>>1907448

Napoleon, Make Europe French Again !

>>1907498
would have been Aztecs and the purepecha fighting for dominance of western and central mexico

the maya may have united again at some point and fought the Aztecs for dominance of southern mexico

and everyone completely ignoring everything north of the Chihuahuan Desert

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>>1907565
When's the next stage?

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>>1910064

>>1908662
nice

>>1907482
>cumanorum campus
So it's like 900-1200?

>>1910081
Cumans in Hungary means likely after Mongol invasion.

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>>1910231

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>>1910231
>>1910232
Who /PooGreek/ here?

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>tfw there will never be a united Ireland*

*under British rule

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>>1910315
JUST

>>1907500
In German they do. Please enlighten me. What's the difference between Reich and empire in the English language?

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>>1910315
What a mystery

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>>1910348
Ayo hol up
>>1910344
>Reich is a German word literally meaning "realm". The terms Kaiserreich (literally "realm of an emperor") and Königreich (literally "realm of a king") are used in German to refer to empires and kingdoms respectively.

On it's own, "realm" I suppose.

>>1910359
It's so fucking frustrating that we still don't know who they were after almost two centuries

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>>1907448
Mediterranean in 800-750 bc

>>1910359
But there never was an all-German Königreich. There were only the Holy Roman Empire (German: Heilig-Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation), the German Empire (Deutsches Reich) and the German Republics. So the distinction and the usage of the term are redundant.

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>>1908294
>There were no Vlachs in Transylvania

That's why immediately after the conquest of Ardeal, Hungary gave it autonomy and special privileges.

I'm not a fan of romanian nationalism, but hungarian revisionism is even more annoying.

>>1910406
>Togo and Cameroon
>French colonies
wut?

>>1907995
Good map

>>1908662
>Ligians
>Vandals

>germanic

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>>1910385
>two centuries

>>1910534
I don't recall anything bout Transylvanians being Romanians. And Avars were there to fuck up populations before the Hungarians came. Which still happened after Bulgarians and Franks destroyed Avar Khaganate.

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>>1910387

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>>1910678

The romanian ethnogenesis itself happened in Transylvania FYI

>>1910397
Shit map

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>>1908294
Somewhat related, map of Kievan Rus during the XX-XI centuries. Also:
>Boлoхи/Volochs in medieval Transylvania
Hm

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>>1908294
Also, spread of West Slavs in the IX-Xth centuries

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>>1908294
>>1910921
Spread of Slavs from the original homeland (dark green) to the other areas (light green).
Also the location of non-Slavic peoples, Saxons, Avars, Vlachs, Finnic and Baltic tribes.

>>1910948
Weird, I always thought Serbs and Croats got to the Balkans through the western Pannonia rather than through modern Romania

>>1910956
Actually, that makes more sense given the location of White Croatia in modern Poland, Pannonia is a shorter route. Perhaps there are more theories regarding this.

>>1910963
Not to mention white Serbia aka Lusatia which is even further to the west.

>>1907560
>RIP memeland
Too Soon

>>1910064
Germany was a mistake

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>>1910921
What is it that they teach you in schools that you think romanians in Transylvania is something out of place?

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>>1907560

>>1907460
long live the frog king

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A world without frogs

>>1907554
What does the light blue signify? It's not on the legend. This is a bad map.

>>1910169
[spoiler]i get most of my information from this era from crusader kings 2 accuracy mods[/spoiler]

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>>1911152
That was meant for the comment claiming Vlachs weren't in Transylvania,and I posted three maps from Slavic countries that show them there. So the point was at the very least the subject has many interpretations in different countries.

>>1911253
>/his/-related maps

>>1910315
Wasn't Elam one of those Biblical kingdoms that historians can't agree on the identity or existence of?

>>1910344
Reich specifically refers to realms established by Otto I, Bismarck, and Hitler.
It comes from Anglo exceptionalism. Other modern states weren't "empires," they simply had colonial possession or occupied territory.

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>>1910403
>amber up there alone on the baltic shore

>>1911304
I think it's intended to trigger autism.

>>1910577
I think he means, two centuries after deciding that the Sea Peoples were a thing.

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>>1908662

>>1911348
>Reich specifically refers to realms established by Otto I, Bismarck, and Hitler.
But why would you need a specific term for just that?
>Other modern states weren't "empires," they simply had colonial possession or occupied territory.
You mean the British Empire, the Dutch Empire, the Spanish Empire, the French Colonial Empire, the Portuguese Empire or the Italian Empire? Those are all modern states (or at least they were for the latter portion of their history) AND empires which existed well into the 20th century. Why isn't any one of those called rijk, império, or whatever?

>>1910565
Lugians are west baltic
vandals east germanic
gotini and osi are celts

>>1911479
The British Empire was the only real empire, of course. The Dutch, Spanish, French, Portuguese, and Russians simply had large, wealthy realms and many colonies, and
>mention
>italy

>>1911501
>simply had large, wealthy realms and many colonies
>not an empire

Nigga that is literally what an empire is

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>>1911239
>>1907560
>Alsace Lorraine
>1919/45
It was French centuries before the creation of Germany or even Prussia.
It was a mutilation, yes, but in 1871 and in 1940.

>>1911507
To be an Empire one must have class and bearing., these were simply the ventures of aimless peoples.

>>1911524
Wasn't Alsace always majority German?

>>1911527
It's a german myth. Alsace was full of Alsacien, not german.

>>1911532
>look up alsacien
>pics of german shepherds
Checkmate.

>>1910403
>>1911364
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road
holy shit i've never heard of this

>>1911572
There was an enormous battle fought over a bridge on this in like 1000 BC that drew mercenaries from all over eastern Europe, it's crazy, lemme see if I can find it.

>>1911580
Holy shit, it was actually 3200 years ago, it wasn't fought over amber but it did draw warriors from all the hell over the place.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle

>>1911524
Overall those maps are subtly giving some suggestions that Germans dindu nuffin and all that land was rightfully theirs before the jewish forces of evil took it away from them

>>1911572
>>1911580
>>1911600
How in the hell did egyptians get all the way up there for some lousy amber?

>>1911682
They sailed up to Greece, or Greeks sailed there, or Phoenicians sailed to both.
Got between there and Greece by traders on foot. It was like the Silk Road.

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>>1911880

This is awful

>>1911880
Very nice anon, saved.

>>1910344
Because Hitler poisoned the word by calling his empire the 3rd reich, calling himself the third german empire [spoiler] a reich is not just an empire that lasted 1k years

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>>1907565
I prefer this map

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This is where I'm gonna retire, boys

>>1911880
Why there is a shadow on the map ?

Also, /his isn't only history but humanities (philosophy, religion,etc...)

>>1907498
Great map. I don't know that the mexicas shared mesoamerica with a lot of states.

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I'm in love with this one, made in Poland, WW3 proyection in Europe

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Need more of this also

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MOAR

>>1913219
the "shadow", as indicated on the map itself, shows you the mountanous and/or rural regions of Switzerland
I though it important to be added as there is a relevant animosity between "cityfags" and "mountain peasants/farmers" in Switzerland which is an important part of our culture

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>>1914219

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>>1914226

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>>1914227

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>>1914234

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>>1914240

>>1914716
>persia is mountainous and arid
>somehow supports enormous population

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>>1914798
>extremely unhealthy africa
>congo river basin

>>1915884
I think that takes into account ease of dealing with the natives. bad phrasing

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>>1910948
I really need to learn how to read Slavrunes. This map seems more interesting than most.

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>>1918053

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>>1918123

>>1918053
This is an eerily accurate depiction of present-day society.
Slavrunes are easy to read. Most letters look the same or similar to Latin, and then there's a bunch of letters that Latin alphabets should have anyway, but don't.

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>>1918257
I know. To be honest, learning how to read Slavrunes is just a step for me, as I plan to learn Croatian at the least, from which learning Slavrune-using languages of Balkans would be easy (and I'm a Pole).

>>1918315
>no germans in sight

>>1918315
Sometimes I wish we kepr Glagolitic alphabet.

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>>1918323
Misnia = Meissen, March of >H>R>E
Łużyce = Lower Lusatia, Milsko = Upper Lusatia - March of >H>R>E
Marchia Wschodnia = Osternmarch (later known as Osterreich = Austria), also a March of >H>R>E

>>1918324
I don't even know how it differs from Cyrylic. And it pains me.

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>>1907448

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>>1918329
Glagolithic is a completely different writing system

>>1907560
>>1907565
huh maybe they shouldn't have done all those race wars that they lost

>>1910385
they were the tyrsenians/pelasgians. no biggie.

>>1908611
German here. I think it is stupid to call Nazi Germany the third Reich.

>>1910410
>what is East Francia?

>>1910064
Actually I wouldbe okay with living in Poland or the Czech republic, as long as they would kick out mudlslimes and cucks.
Germany is dead anyways.

>>1910064
fuck pooland is actually aesthetic with eastern germany.

>>1918117
>Slavs
>1000BC
>Reaching Baltic sea

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>>1907448
Gotta love how the Roman republic once paled in comparison to the Celtic kingdom/empire

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>>1918632
>Celtic kingdom/empire
Yeah...

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>>1918639
Implying it wasn't an empire you fuckwit, they commanded expeditions from France to Anatolia, it hurts I imagine my dear brownie but it's the truth, celts were the finest warriors and produced the most elegant and deadly weapons of their time

>>1918329
>I don't even know how it differs from Cyrylic. And it pains me.
Glagolithic has all those cool letters like Ⱑ, Ⱖ, Ⱆ or Ⰺ. It is very goofy and fun to look at. Very different from Cyrillic.

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>>1918652
I wish /his/ memes weren't so lame

>>1915884
>one of the most diseased places on earth

Seems legit. The Congo Basin is so pestilential that even the native googles suffer, how well do you think human settlers would fare?

>>1914227

Could the unknown source of "Burduf" be the Dacians? The green parts are in Carpathia on your map, isn't it?

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>>1918763
Prehistoric maps are the best desu

>>1918652
Nothing compared to the Finno-Ugric celestial empire desu

>>1910283
Feels bad man

>>1907565
It would have a e s t h e t i c borders if it annexed Czechia.

>>1918763
Shit map

>>1918887

Make a better one then

>>1918626
they weren't called "slavs" then

>>1918938
yeah because they hadn't been enslaved yet

>>1918632
Cultural areas aren't unified states jesus christ

>>1918948
you're an imbecile

>>1907481
Are you implying you use Imperium Romanum instead Roman Empire, خِلافة instead of caliphate, and 漢朝 instead of Han Empire ?

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>>1919213
>>1919217

If there were ever three countries that ought not to exist, they would be Holland, Belgium, and Luxembourg.

>>1918938
That doesn't make you or that map any more right. It's pure fiction, and that map is literally made in MS Paint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_culture

>The Kiev culture is an archaeological culture dating from about the 3rd to 5th centuries, named after Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. It is widely considered to be the first identifiable Slavic archaeological culture.


That's like calling all Homo Sapiens slavs just because later troughout history some came to be Slavs. Some of those people became slavs, some did not. Saying Slavs existed in 1000BC or even reached Baltic sea is pure pseudo history and you know it Polack.

>>1919342
No, the Netherlands do still exist. Provinces are still quite powerful today. However, their power decreased the last 200 years

>>1919010
"Pop" niggers must be cleansed

>>1907448
>austrian empire
>french ally
I mean yeah, Schonbrunn and Boney marrying Marie Louise, but did the austrians ever even do anything to help the french? It doesn't feel fitting for them to be considered part of the french block.

>>1917351
>>1918726
I thought it was funny because Leopold II, basically.

>>1913714
>all those mushroom clouds
Kek Germany just can't catch a break

>>1919010
>culture
Yeah, Seattle and Cleveland sure have a lot in common.

>>1919170
We use Reich instead because
>
>
>
was a meme long, long before /his/.

>>1919583
When you're fighting the world and winning an ally is someone who could stand in your way but doesn't.
>>1919593
Those are all planned NATO bombing sites, too. Scorched earth policy.

>>1919635
>someone who could stand in your way but doesn't
Yeah but see, that doesn't fit Austria. They got rekt in the 5th coalition and kicked out of the games. They couldn't have stood in boney's way even had they wanted to.

>>1911880
Very good one. It has everything you need.

>>1919505
You fucking retarded gnome.

Przeworsk culture was proven to be Proto-Slavic.

>>1919170
>>1919170
Except the word Reich when used in English has a more specific meaning than just empire. It's a word in regular use anyway, and most English speakers know what it means.

>>1910064

G*rmans need to start and lose another world war.

Unfortunately the cucking seems to have been too effective for that to happen.

>>1919539
sodamites need to hang.

>>1907448
Cool vid

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0

>>1907500
They do, for all intents and purposes. Of course a foreign word will not have the copmpletely same meaning, but the difference is usually irrelevant, as is the case with "Empire" and "Reich" when talking about the German Empire. In other contexts Reich can be translated as "realm" or "kingdom". There is no good reason to ever use "Reich" if you are a scholar.

t. German person.

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>>1907448

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RIP, you were too good for this world...

>>1922315

Fuck off

There's a REASON there are no good high quality maps of East Germany

>>1911880
I'm not 100% sure but it looks like you coloured lac leman in as catholic, which is strange considering the swiss regions that border it are mostly reformed.
Also the legend might be a bit easier to understand if it were in a grid. cool map though

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>>1922315
AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL

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>>1918746

Could be. It's just that romanian linguists are uncapable people with inferiority complexes. Whenever there's an authocton word with no relatable etymology from another language, romanian linguists just classify it as "Unknown etymology"

>>1922655
>authocton
?

>>1922055
What the hell is that all about?

>>1918701
The Y-DNA stuff there is total BS. The Bell Beaker men were almost all R1b with some I and the Corded Ware mostly R1a with some I and R1b. R apart from R1b-V88 was virtually absent from Old Europe.

>>1920961
Proven by who? Polish autist like you who make retarded claims and misinterprets information to fit your own retarded narrative?

>>1923208
Look at the source of the pic.

>Eupedia

>>1923217
By genetics and archeology you absolute retard lmao

>>1923223
LOL, yeah, but I thought it was worth point out nonetheless for the sake of any newfriends reading this.

>>1923228
lol

bumo

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proper bump

>>1924897
Are the colors by date of conquest, or direct control/protectorate/vassal state or something?

>>1918421
Kek, what? No.

>>1925790
A map of the ancient Aegean is cool, but you got any ancient maps of the Aegean?

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Sardinia during the Roman empire, after the defeat of the punics (in the south) and part of the locals.

>>1918421
>They were "names of two mythical populations"

What an explanation, oh yeah and Tyrsenian may refer to Etrusccans too but it was a vague term indicating populations from the Tyrrenian sea in general for quite some time, it's not really clear

>>1925820
>yo what do we call those fuckers
>barbar is good but let's say -ia instead of -oi
>sounds good to me

>>1925799
Unfortunately no. I only have some other maps of this kind, I will post them tomorrow morning (here is night) if I find them on my pc and the thread is still up.

>>1925835
k thanks

>>1925820
Nice map.

The Sardinians fought against the Romans for over a century after the Punic wars.

However the majority of the population lived in Romania while the people living in Barbagia would live by pillaging the countryside and by piracy.

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>>1925820
This one is Sardinia in the early iron age

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>>1925823
I think it was correct, my latin sucks but Barbaria is not related to the people but to their land, it should translate pretty much as "Land of the Barbarians", how it was from their point of view (Romania=Land of the Romans).

The romans never actually managed to conquer and control that part of Sardinia, it managed to resist to them and had different rulers pretty much until almost the period of the four Judicados (kingdoms). The pope had to send a letter to one of those rulers, the king known as Ospitone, to ask him to convert the "Barbaricinians" to christianity. That's why it has the same name even today (Barbagia, with the people living there known as "Barbaricinos").

>>1925883
Nice. Do you have a version with a better quality?

>>1925892
I was making a joke about Latins copying Greeks.
That's cool, I like the idea of barbarism in a sea of monolithic law. I saw a "true map" of Africa once that I would post here which ignores the nation-state and organizes the continent according to its de facto rulers, but I can't fucking find it anywhere now.

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>>1925903

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>>1925906
Ah, ok! I don't know shit about greek, I didn't get it before.

Nice! That map is related to what era? Maybe I will try to search for it myself later.

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>>1925935
Wow nice map, I'll add it to my collection

>>1925935
Modern era.

>>1925940
You're welcome, of course. Thanks for yours.

>my collection
Please post it here, I'm really interested.

>>1925943
Nice, thanks.

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>>1925951

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>>1925662
Red - under rule of Canute
Orange and Yellow - other countries.

>ywn live in country of three nations

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>>1926924

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>>1926925

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>>1926927

>>1926924
>>1926925
>>1926927
>>1926930
>Koroska-Karantanija
This looks like an attempt at pretending slovenians controlled the area, when it was just all bavarian shitflinging.

>>1915884
Malaria, hippos, crocodiles... yep, very unhealthy

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>>1925790
>>1925799
>>1925835
>>1925839

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>>1927498

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>>1927507

>>1911239
>full expulsion or murder of the Germans
Oh my, i wish the second part is true. Just thinking about possibility, that few million Germans were murdered, restores my hope in humanity.

>>1910231
>>1910232
>>1910275

Fuck it I'm starting an EU IV game with a pagan Greek Kingdom in northern Iran.

>>1927621

But it is true, at least 500,000 deaths can be attributed to the expulsions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)

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>>1907448

https://mega.nz/#!uwdiHbjC!iNyml8vB4fctplcOx-j8pxBBqlzPzK2c4gAyy5kW61w

Map of Prehistoric archaeological sites of Sardinia. I had to put in on MEGA because it's an image of over 22mb (5342x9812). While still incomplete, is probably the best around.

Pic related it's a shit-quality version, pretty much a thumbnail.

The interactive versione is even more updated, and has way more data:
http://nurnet.crs4.it/nurnetgeo/

The legend is in Italian. Translation:


Nuraghe monotorre = Monotower Nuraghe

Nuraghe monotorre sito non verificato = Monotower Nuraghe, non verified site

Nuraghe a corridoio = Protonuraghe/Corridor nuraghe

Nuraghe complesso = Polylobed Nuraghe or a Tancato nuraghe

Dolmen = Dolmen

Domus de Janas = Domus de Janas

Tombe dei Giganti = Giant's Tomb/Grave (Sardinian megalithic gallery grave)

Menhir = Menhir

Villages = Villages

Pozzo sacro = Sacred well

Culto dell'acqua = Water cult Temples or structures in general

Fontana sacra = Sacred fountain

Unicum = Unicum (something that is unique and doesn't belong to any category)

Grotte tafoni = Ancients tombs inside Tafoni

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>>1927519

>>1928944
Nice.

I wonder how old the Iliesi/Corsi/Balari distinction is

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The END ALL of map aesthetics, this is just perfect, not even a Turkroach, the Byz/Ottoman empires are the most aesthetic ever

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>>1929118

>>1910406
year?

>>1929118
>>1929119
An empire stretching from Poland to the Red Sea, and from Algiers to the Persian Gulf is comfy as fuck.

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>>1929118
call me old-fashioned but as much as I love the Ottomans, SPQR is the most aesthetic map, not one inch of the Mediterranean coast wasn't within their control

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>>1929118
I don't know, it seems to be lacking in several aspects.

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>>1929142
>SPQR is the most aesthetic map, not one inch of the Mediterranean coast wasn't within their control

Thats true BUT, France and Spain trigger my autism, i like the Ottoman/Byzantine more because its centered on Anatolia and looks better imo.

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16,000 years ago, the sea was a lot lower.

>>1928944
Do we have a grad student specializing in bronze age Sardinia here or something?

>>1929118
>doesn't own crete, cyprus, or malta
Almost.

>>1929260
>France and Spain trigger my autism
If it makes you feel any better, the interior of Spain was the most remote and least administrated land in the empire, so a "real" map of Spain would just have chunks of Spain and the coast.

>>1929571
nice meme.

Spain is full of grandious Roman architecture to this day

>>1907448
Why did Napoleon fuck over venice?

>>1929692
Because he thought it'd be funny.

>>1909070
Where the fuck is Sjaelland

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Like, seriously Lothair, dude, wtf were you thinking "Im totally NOT going to get raped by my two brothers, this random strip of land right in the middle, with no cohesion of any kind, is just perfect for my imperial needs"

>>1929682
And was one of the richest parts of the west. Holding a gdp comparable to the provinces of the East.

>>1907448
Also your map has an error.

Portugal and spain didn't comply with the embargoes napoleon set in place.

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>>1910064
Hopefully soon.

>>1929765
In a Swiss bank account for safekeeping.

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A E S T H E T I C

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Note that there are two border cities: Chicago and St. Louis

>>1929978

Literally ASKING for military invasions

>>1929857

Spain obviously did as it was at war with the UK. Portugal didn't and got occupied in 1807.

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>>1907448
>greek names in ottoman empire

>>1930016
Charles the Bold manged to hold off the French and the Austrians

>>1930124
>Charles' head had been cleft in two by a halberd, lances were lodged in his stomach and loins, and his face had been so badly mutilated by wild animals that only his physician was able to identify him by his long fingernails and the old battle scars on his body.
JUST

>>1930126
>tfw Franco-german conflict could have been avoided if he hadn't died in battle [spoiler]had a son[spoiler]

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hey kids who wants to build a space empire

>>1930153
missed russia

>>1930160
And England, and Turkey, and Serbia.

As a matter of fact just all the countries that dindu nuffin.

>>1930176
>serbia
It's not their fault that Franz was a foolhardy idiot.

>>1907460

Damn, those are pretty unform divisions in terms of size.

Was the French population that evenly dispersed?

>>1930287
Yeah, it's like the one developed province of the WRE which didn't get shitstomped.

>>1907469
But Reich =! Empire
Kaiserreich = Empire
Reich =+- realm

>>1911524
The French have been trying to subjugate Lothringen for centuries. Elsass is as French as the low countries are

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And the final image goes for Iberian Knightly Orders

>>1930940
Sardinia wasn't under any emirate

>>1929981
Absolute shite

>>1930994
We don't actually know, information on Sardina between about 700-1000 is very scarce.

>>1932124
Yeah we know, we have evoys from Sardinian telling the Pope to fend off Arab invasions around the 9th century AD, and we know of multiple Arab attacks which failed each century from Arab chronicles and other sources, so definitely Sardinia was never under their adminastration, there are no recorded Arab rulers of Sardinia, considering that they had to launch multiple invasions each century it's clear the island wasn't under their rule.

We do know that they were able to make some coastal town pay the gizah for a few years but later they had to launch another attack and were repelled.

Either way thap map says 814 AD so we know for sure it's wrong because:

815: An Embassy of Sardinian ("legati sardorum de Carli civitate") at Louis the Pious, required military assistance (the fact is narrated in Einhard's Annals).

>>1907495
here's your reply

>>1911545
le magical nomadic country

IMAGE LIMIT

>>1928944
Android app for the interactive map:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cordand.nurmap

Also, I forgot to say that the map (both in the online version and, if I remember well, in the App) can be seen in English as well.

>>1929563
:^)

>>1929106
The actual possible distinction between populations or the names used to call them? According to a theory from some archeologists (Lilliu and Ugas, for example), the Ilienses should have been the oldest group in Sardinia, associated with the neolithic prenuragic culture of Monte Claro, the Balares and the Corsi should have arrived later, the first ones with the Beaker Culture, probably related to the same group that created the Talaiotic Culture in the Balearic Islands, and the second ones from Corsica.

But that's still not a sure thing, of course, since a lot of new things have been discovered and are being discovered constantly. For example, now it's sure that the first human settlements in Sardinia (the oldest we know of) are from the paleolithic, not the neolithic.

The names I'm not sure, but here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Etnie_Nuragiche-2.svg

is how Sardinia was according to Ptolemy.

Version with the Corsican tribes as well:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Etnie_Nuragiche.jpg

I can't post anything here because we reached the image limit.


>>1932124
>>1932287
This. Also, Boniface II called Sardinia "Insula Amicorum", during his travel to Africa to wage war against the Arabs (828 A.D.).