Yahweh and Ba'al

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>>1903119
>Bible study thread

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>>1903121
>not studying the bible from a secular perspective to understand the development of one of the most influential religions in history

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>>1903134
>twenty threads up about the Bible

There's more history without it than with it, start discussing different topics about man

>>1903138
I thought it would be nice to provide some original content, as I haven't seen scholars take this point of view before. The generic christian threads we have up all the time are shit, but this is for discussing specific analysis of the text. plus I've used a passage from Kings, which, although not exactly obscure, isn't discussed as much as say Genesis

Fuck you, guy. It's a good thread idea OP, it's an interesting concept imho, the formation and self identification of some sort of proto-Judaism. Unfortunately it's not exactly a specialist field of mine, but I'm monitoring with interest.

>>1903119
>Did Ba'al also have a monotheist/monolatrist cult develop?

Monolatrist, yes. This was in fact the norm for Canaanites of the period, each city or tribe would have a patron god with a temple and an organised cult, early Judaism was no different in this regard.

>>1903438
national god doesn't necessarily imply monolatrism. patron gods for polities is as old as the sumerians. The Meshe stele does show similar language to judges but nowhere does Chemosh punish Moab for worshipping other gods

>>1903572

Other Canaanite religions lacked one key ingredient of Judaism which is its "code of laws" or commandments. This is the Egyptian innovation that Moses brought to the mix, without anything similar there was no precedent for punishing deviations from monolatry.

>>1903119
>This is seen as evidence of YHWH and Ba'al cult rivalry as a result of both being storm gods
It's even better.
In the pan-canaanite pantheon, they were considered brothers, sons of the chief god El. This triggered a lot of jews, which is why it's shit on every 2 pages.

>>1903592
I'm not sure there's enough data to go off of for that. only contemporary religious sources i know of are the Ugarit texts and the Meshe stele. i can't remember the verse but in judges in the Abimelech story there's a place name Ba'al of the Covenant

>>1903119
Judaism wasn't monotheistic before Moses and Yahweh met on top of Sinaj

>>1903738
disregarding the question of the historicity of that event, what I'm referring to happened long after the alleged exodus

>>1903134
We know it has been influential because it was put in a historical context

>>1903750
Oh.. yeah you're right. Sorry I'm too tired to think straight.

>>1903711
citing this:
Judges 9:4
They gave him (Abimelech) 70 shekels from the temple of Ba'al-berith (ba'al of the covenant); the same place is named later in 9:46 as El-berith

Now when the Philistine's Dagon statue bowed to the tabernacle, was that just God dicking around with the statue or was that Dagon himself acknowledging God's supremacy?

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Ba'al is a title not a name.
Ba'al denotes lordship or a position of leadership.
The Elohim are a group of individuals and as such have a leader.
This leader was Anu.

>>1903822
seems to me that it's more so just making a mockery of Dagon. I went back to the passage and the second time Dagon falls over his head and hands were cut off.

>>1903837
Ba'al is a title but it's often shorthand for Ba'al Hadad. in this story it's already been established that Ba'al Hadad is the specific god in question.

I was rather confused by your Anu remark since El is the head of the Canaanite pantheon. I can't find Anu in reference to Canaanite religion (he certainly isn't in the Ugarit texts as I own a copy of them) but I did find Anu as a Sumerian god