Bismark

>>1900455

The idea is to break out of the loose north sea blockade and raid commerce in the Atlantic.

Not a hell of a lot else the Kriegsmarine can do, all things considered. Nose to nose battleship confrontations rarely end well when you have 4 and they have 20something.

because the situation was shit for Germany at the time. He wanted to pressure the allies by showing that he actually have something in plan when he didn't

>>1900455
Because he wanted to see them fail.

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>>1900473
Nah Hitler was exactly the type of idiot who would have thought that battleships were still useful in the age of air power.

>>1900486

Iowa class.

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>>1900486

>>1900488

The Iowa-class was created specifically to act as glorified carrier escorts.

>>1900455
He probably thought it was infallible like every other convoluted thought that crossed his mind. He was delusional.

>>1900497

They're still battleships built post Bismarck sinking.

>>1900501

They were still an acknowledgement that carriers were the new heart of the navy.

Commerce Raiding, and to demonstrate the fleet-in-being is a real thing. As long as you're crazy enough to send out a battleship some of the time, they have to be prepared for you to send out a battleship all of the time.

>>1900520

That's not what the comic says, innit?

>>1900526
I don't get what the point you're trying to make here regarding battleships.

Battleships were still useful for shore bombardment and throwing out tons of AA which was why they were stuck sailing right alongside a carrier in a carrier group.

>>1900488
Reeactivated only to boost the number of hulls in service because Reagan wanted to have the biggest navy in the world, and to "counter" Russian ships which carried anti-ship missiles that could cut through the Iowa's armor with ease. In practice what happened was the ships carried a handful of missiles, required a escort for air defense. One of the turrets on the Iowa suffered a explosion due to degraded powder and improper operating procedures, which killed a bunch of sailors. The Navy then blamed this on a gay sailor, claiming he had "sabotaged" the gun, and never apologized to his family or cleared him after further investigation showed that it was accidental.

>>1900584

>I don't get what the point you're trying to make here regarding battleships.


You, or some other anon, posted this.

>>1900486

The comic has, as its claim text

>Once the "invincible Bismark sinks I expect no other country on earth to bother building battleships, Admiral


Counterexample: Iowa class; which were all finished after the Bismarck sank, and hell, the Wisconsin was laid down after the sinking.

Then you go rambling on about carrier escorts for some reason.

>>1900586

And built in the first place?

>>1900486
>Nah Hitler was exactly the type of idiot who would have thought that battleships were still useful in the age of air power.
Most people at the time thought battleships were still the main capital ships in naval warfare. What changed was the sudden advancement in aeroplane engines that allowed much heavier payloads for shipboard aircraft that allowed them to be the strike arm of the fleet rather than being the support arm of the fleet.

>>1900595

The Iowa-class was already in progress before the sinking though. The larger, slower Montana-class which was supposed to come after the Iowa-class was completely cancelled, though. The Iowa-class was kept only because they were fast enough to act as carrier escorts, and because so much time and money had already been spent on designing and building them. The Iowas were unquestionably the best class of battleships ever built, but in practice they were nothing more than glorified carrier escorts.

>>1900615
And mobile shore bombardment. Don't forget that.

>>1900614

The first torpedo that hit Bismark did absolutely nothing because the ship was so heavily armored. The second torpedo ended up hitting the rudder of ship, perhaps the only part of the ship which wasn't heavily armored. Attempts to fix the rudder mechanism failed and the behemoth was stranded at sea.

>>1900629

Yes, and this is uncharacteristic of other torpedo bombings of capital ships how exactly? It doesn't matter if individual torpedoes have a low odds of crippling the ship, sooner or later one gets through.

>>1900618

Well, there is also that. The Navy probably still believed at that point that they would need to invade mainland Japan at some point. Having a ship that can safely bombard cities from a distance makes that a bit easier.

>>1900595
I don't know, I just followed that chain of comments back to the comic where it said that no battleships were going to be made with Bismarck. I agree with the fact that the Iowa-class was made, I just somehow inferred that someone thought that making battleships were useless because they posted that comic. Hence my explanation how their role switched to shore bombardment and carrier cover.

>>1900595
>what is a an unreliable narrator?

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>>1900486
Okay now is the time to address a very large amount of hindsight that everyone has on the subject. Early carriers have huge development issues and so did getting the bombers for them. Many of the people who favored battleship development just felt that carriers were not a mature technology yet. There was a very large number of aircraft that halfway worked on carriers could easily give the impression that effective working carriers were a long way off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carrier-based_aircraft

click on the date and start reading on the Sopwith Cuckoo for the aircraft made to try to work on carriers. The first torpedo bomber to have a air frame that could take more then a handful of years of taking off and landing on a carrier was the Blackburn Ripon, which was 8 years after the Sopwith Cuckoo.

>>1901567

There is also the fact that tactics for using aircraft carriers in battle just hadn't been developed yet. Choosing to not build any BB's would have been a huge risk staking everything on the idea that you'd be able to not only develop a completely new system in a short period of time but also quickly develop useful tactics for them. Battleships were well understood. Captains knew how to make good use of them.

>>1901069
Also it's from a manga where a German submarine travels through a underwater tunnel to Loch Ness to launch missiles at London, but the Loch Ness Monster rams it and ruptures it's hydrogen peroxide tank, causing it to explode, so the author may not be overly serious.

The author also did a story where a Tiger crew in Africa stumbles onto a ancient Egyptian crypt where they find a mummified Brontosaur, and another where the Russians put a nuclear reactor on the captured Graff Zeppelin and try to sink the USS Nautilus in the arctic.

>>1901584
Exaclty. It wasn't until Coral Sea and Midway that it became apparent that the carrier could be the centerpiece of a naval battle and not just a support vessel occasionally making independent attacks (like at Taranto and Pearl Harbor)

>>1901622
Holy fuck, that's awesome. I've never read Bangladeshi Tapestries before, but I'm seriously considering doing so now.

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>>1901622
There was also a story where USS Sealion I thwarted the German plan Operation Sea Lion.

>>1900455
Because it was straight up doomed from the start like the rest of the surface fleet. It's hard to really overexaggerate what taking on the Royal Navy meant at the time.

Getting out of dodge were it wasn't exposed to the entire North Sea Fleet was in no way a shitty idea. Especially when they had to take it through the single small channel in Northern Germany it could fit out.

He was probably hoping to repeat the same success of that WW1 battleship that became so notorious with the Brits. Emden was it?

>>1902927
>Emden
I think that is a cruiser.

>>1900455
Wasn't it escorted by the Prinz Eugen?

The Bismarck took the longest possible route around Iceland to avoid the Royal Navy. And it still did good damage to the RN.

>>1901622
That comic series alternates between serious and not depending on the chapter.

>>1902910
Is the best example. That one was played entirely serious and had the Mark 14s only explode when they hit at a 45 degree angle.

There was another story set during the Battle of the Bulge where some German soldiers stumble on this ancient Frankish tomb of some sort and get annihilated by this druid creation thing.

>>1902934
>>1902927


I think you/he means the Goeben.

>>1902944
National Shame Manga is another one of the highlights. As I recall in the afterward the author claims he almost got blackballed over it.

Still waiting on translations for the Inherit the Stars manga he did though.

>>1903031
>National Shame Manga
That one was just *weird*.

>>1900455

It wasn't such a bad idea and it almost worked out well. It was spotted almost accidentally when it was pretty close to get out of recon range.

Had the Bismarck made it, it could have assault any convoy and take on any single british battleship escorting them in 1v1 combat while forcing the entire RN to leave port and group in several task forces to first try to find him, then engage him. In fact, the sole presence of the Bismarck in the Atlantic forced the British to cancel all convoy departures.