How the fuck did the Persians lose?

>>1899483
Persia's military tactics revolved around the deployment of mass light infantry backed by cav and archers.

Needless to say they were kinda stumped when facing against Greek Hoplites, who were by their very nature a heavy shock infantry force

very carefully

>>1899497
Yeah but the Greeks were a bunch of boy lovers, while the Persians were battle hardened conquerors.

>>1899483

their troops had this basic fault that they didnt know how to deal with being slaugtered en mass in close combat

persian command tried to deal with this by sending more troops into close combat, but this didnt work either

eventualy they started outflanking and such, and they pretty much won, actualy, for a while, but they couldnt keep hold to the lands they won, because, basicaly, their troops still got slaughtered en mass in close combat

>>1899520
Wait, are you referring to Marathon here?

They took the losses because they ran away.

>>1899513
It takes a man to survive the constant boyfucking.
How do you think the ottomans were so successful? A man with a 3 inch wide rectum fears little else.

>>1899497
this along with the facts that the greeks had a superior navy which allowed them to easily land troops behind persian lines to destroy their logistics network

>>1899570
The Greeks didn't have a navy at this point. Athens sent like 3 ships to the Ionian revolt.

>>1899562
>man try stab ass
>ass swallow sword entirely

>>1899483
Terrain, training, morale.
The Persians, while not being extremely disadvantaged, were simply not used to the rugged, uneven Greek terrain. Greece's mountains acted as miniature Alps to draw a parralell.
Training - As far as we can tell the Persians had a simple strategy in which they threw a lot of fodder into the fray followed by more experienced units to rally their rabble and pick apart any resistance pockets. Consider is a very basic precourser to the blitzkrieg
The Greeks were trained in small unit tactics with high cohesion due to the highly ritualized state of warfare in Greece. The Aztecs are a good parallel here, as they too had a highly ritualized state of warfare and came into contact with a state with a highly unritualised warfare type, only difference being the obvious loss/win.
Lastly, morale.
The Greeks fought for their cities and homes while the Persians fought in the hope that they might see their cities and homes again. When Alexander's conquests stopped it wasn't due to military defeats but low morale from being on the edge of their known world with no end in sight.

>>1899600
Oh ghaddafi, your salvation was so close.

>>1899629

Was he still alive when they bayoed his bumbum? Must've hurt.

>>1899654
Iirc he yelled "that is not permitted" as it happened but that might have been one of the guys in the vid. I don't remember if he was conscious when they did it but I'm pretty sure he is

Free men defending their homes vs. slaves paying their tribute

>>1899654

The video is out there somewhere. I've seen it. He's alive.

why didn't persia develop its own heavy infantry

>>1899690
Just wasn't their style.

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>>1899600

>>1899624
>Terrain
This is a REALLY lazy argument. The Nazis just weren't used to the snowy steppes of Russia. The British just weren't used to the mountains of Afghanistan.

>training
The Greeks were hardened warriors, but the Persians were unstoppable. Everyone they came in contact with fell. Let's not forget how easily they conquered Lydia, the dominant power in the region and a kingdom which was dripping with wealth. It also had close ties to the Greeks though Ionia. Croesus himself knew the Greeks well and would have advised the Persians on their way of waging war.

>morale
They had just gotten there. They sacked Eritria easily, the campaign was just begging for them. The stories of the wealth of Athens would have circulated though their camp.

The first use of the human wave tactic.

>>1899483
They suck