Give me your most esoteric and controversial thoughts and opinions.

There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his messenger

The polytheists were right all along

Life and existence is pointless because everybody will die one day and the universe will eventually end in a heat death.

>>1898535
Humans weren't meant to live in current western society.

>>1898535

man lives to short to know how old he is, we are all that were before us, nothing we are is ours, we carry it like a lended burden, we never die or are born, we merely occur as all things do, there is no way out, there is no release

Dugin is right.

>>1898564
He said controversial not average modern degenerate

>>1898535

There is a small academic conspiracy to try to "establish" Zoroastrianism as the first monotheistic faith. They primarily do this by quoting some 3rd-12th century AD documents, noting linguistic oddities that point to some extremely old composition of the Avestas (10th-15th century B.C), and then claim it was unchanged and uninfluenced from that entire time, which would be laughed out of the room for any other religion but gets taken semi-seriously when it's about Zoroastrianism.

most ebul dictators are well intentioned people who find themselves in a bad situations where they have to take extreme measures and surround themselves with yes men who genuinely convince them their policies are helping the populace keep the more extremely egregious abuses of their regimes hidden from them

(except in sub Saharan Africa)

>>1898535
There is only one God, his son is the Christ and whosoever believes upon him shall have everlasting life.

>>1898771

Yes, and only the chosen Æutists of God get to be in his presence and line up things neatly forever!

Quantum mechanics is going to prove Merleau-Ponty's Phenomenology right

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Atheist are secret followers of Athei who killed all other gods and than killed himself.

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>>1898535
human civilization is simply a stepping stone in an immanent process of intelligence exponentiation towards something well beyond our understanding of scale
we're part of the couple human generations that are witnessing this extreme transitional process
tldr: Techno singularity will be habbening soon

OR
Spengler is right and human history is truly cyclical and mostly defined by cultural expression, with the west destined to a slow entropy into a static global civilization/empire (in the Spenglerian sense)

tldr: Cyberpunk with a twist will be habenning

>>1898535
happiness is in reality a state of confusion. the nature of all that is is to want. those who profess happiness are, in truth, simply broken enough to lie.

I have more if you want.

>>1898535

All men are born equal, but some are born more equal than others.

Thus equality is a petty abstract, and thus freedom must be pursued, as it gives the illusion of equality.

>>1898792

I actually like that a lot.

We _are_ animals. Our actions are controlled predominantly by instincts, it's just that we don't call them that, we call them feelings. We don't realize they are instincts, but they are. This has some interesting implications, such as:
When you feel what we call love for someone of the opposite gender with all the stupid romantics and so on, it's not fundamentally different from the bull wanting to mount a female.
All the ideas and observations about implicit hierarchy in groups of animals apply equally to human interaction in groups. You think the weak wolf spends his time pondering about how he's the lowest member of the pack? No, he doesn't even realize the mechanisms at work. The humans who hang out on 4chan and don't go out and are terribly socially do so because they are on the receiving end of the exact same mechanisms. The members of a group realize who the weakest individuals are, and systematically abuse/bully them to keep them in their place, the same way the strongest cows bully the weaker ones away from the hay tray.

Mankind can overcome and achieve both material safety for all members of the species as well as stave off total ecological collapse, and from there somehow defeat heat death of the universe.

Modern humanity has forgotten the question of Being.

Everything will be okay.

>>1898570
>meant to
spooky

"Mental illness" does not exist. It is nothing but the system's excuse to impose authority on people whose ideas and will we cannot tolerate. Denying certain people the possibility of suicide and proclaiming that desire an illness is nothing but tyrrany and insult.

>>1898535

I think the holocaust never happened, all these deadly diseases sprang up after the discovery of genetic engineering, and that jet fuel cant melt steel. But none of that is controversial.

I also think that the vast majority of people's lives contain no new physical information and are merely repetitions of some simple stereotype.

>>1898535

Ultimate good god is Lucifer. God is the actual ultimate evil and shilling against Lucifer, who is the only one care about humans.

>implying an ultimate good god would create this planet, food chain, and suffering.
>implying an ultimate good god would ask his livings to worship and beg him non stop.
>m-muh ultimate test
>t-tips fedora

>>1898882

its worse than you think, your perception of it is superficial, its way deeper than that, all living systems are conditioned to a fault and occur in patterns, they are, we are, these re-occuring patterns, in thought word and action, in every way and on every level, we dont even have a special place in the story to say that ''we are animals'', in this context the human does not exist

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Nobody deserves to be homeless.
Nobody deserves to go hungry.
Nobody deserves to be poor.

>>1898535
I think that the world is the best it has ever been right now, and it's only getting better.

I also think that the overwhelming majority of people are good people.

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I love you all.
I love every living being. I love every atom which exists, have existed and will exist in this Universe.

Life is pointless, mind is pointless, existence is pointless, death is pointless. But you can believe in whatever you want because you are all infinite; your imagination is this Universe.

So be happy, take a walk in the street, watch the Sun shining over you. Pat an animal, say your parents you love them. Cry. Laugh. Scream. Cum. Enjoy. Sit down, eat an apple, and taste it in your mouth as if it was the only fucking food you've taken in your whole lives.

You are all important. I can't simply stand all the love I feel for all of you.

Women can't do anything wrong, the blame lies in either her fathers, husbands or pimps.

>>1898535
Elizabeth Nietzsche single-handedly shaped 20th century ideology and was solely responsible for the decline of philosophy's popularity.

The underlying fabric of reality must be God. It is also called Buddha-nature, or Tao.
Jesus, like a Taoist immortal, came to an understanding of reality which allowed him to become one with God, and therefore the world. He re-materialized to his identity to teach others the path to enlightenment.

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>>1898771
The hardest, but most rewarding pill to swallow

>>1899007
I mean, this is heresy, but the concept sounds cool; a lot like CHIM in TES series and the more esoteric sayings of Vivec.

Despite having a large interest in the past, there's no time I'd rather be living in than the now.

>>1898935
>"Mental illness" does not exist.
go volunteer at your local mental hospital for a month and see if you still believe that.

>>1899059
Jesus still is the son of God and God, in that he's the shadow body sent down by the Cosmic body, the Father, to redeem man. The remaining body is of course the Dharma body, which I've already explained.
To correspond with the three bodies of God, there are three ways of liberation. One is through an understanding of reality, which is the highest and most difficult form. The second is through good merit through just thoughts and actions in accordance with the will of The Father. The last form is through faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

People are their best under authoritarian rule.
Poor people are happier.

The sexual liberation movement is ruining society

All men have nearly identical potential to achieve, yet for some reason only a few ever reach it.

Those few deserve all the power they obtain and have a natural right to rule over society.

>>1898535
This image always looks like a pretty young maiden from the thumbnail, fuck.

There is a "god", but it's a triumvirate of fundamentally inhuman things. There's Structure (this can be likened to something akin to the Tao) which allows the universe to be more than chaos; there's Chance which allows there to be disorder enough in the universe to prevent it from being stagnant (this can be observed in quantum events), and finally there is the universe itself, which is all things at all times. Our patterns of moral behavior are (aside from the role of empathic or social morality) our attempts to bring these three into order so that our interactions with them will be peaceable and prosperous.

>>1898546
This tb h.
Its pretty controversial here in /his/

>>1899136

except those people dont rule society

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>>1898982
I love you too, Anon, I really do. Our mindsets are exactly the same and it makes me so fucking happy to see people like you.

>>1898535
All those religion and people claiming to tell you what God has spoken is bullshit. If God were ever to communicate with man, his finite mind can barely understand his message let alone using his flawed mouth and language to successfully communicate what God said.

If God were to ever speak to you, it is meant for your ears not your mouth. Only symbols and abstractions are the closest thing we have to understanding God

>>1898982
sounds like logical positivism


Love you too bro


Let's go get some tea

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>>1899545
We are love, we are life, we are light, we are all and all is I. I am God, I am creation, I am.

>>1899558
that escalated quickly bro wtf

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>>1898535
I am a fish.

>>1899561
It is my view of everything being of itself. I am not a God, I am God, and so are you.

>>1899561
>>1899577
I'll just dump the whole thing:
I am; those are the most important words to understand and hone. Our hearts beat, "I am, I am, I am". It is what defines us, and we define it. As we shift and rumble by, aloof and arrogant, we forget the simple and fantastic beauty of our very existence. Every breath we take was once the breath of another, the flesh that clothes our borrowed bones once flourished in form of eyecandy from the muck of transition (flowers in dirt), our consciousness is a mirror so that we may gaze upon ourselves in our own humble form. We are beauty, we are life, we are light, we are all and all is I. I am God, I am creation. I am.

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>>1899583

>>1899583
>concept of self
>gradual transition of different organics into other organics


I'm faltering on the third point however, please explain it better to me

Our consciousness if a mirror of what?

Life actually has ''purpose'' due to causality and sense. From the smallest to the largest of phenomenological occurrences comes instant result; thus, this to us projects meaning. The supposed lack of meaning only stems from previous belief in metaphysical linear history with an end goal. The replacement of this with the negation of any ''sense to it all'' is simply that, a replacement, which still serves the same purpose of making sense by denying that there is any..

>>1899595
Consciousness is a method of observation, a way to experience the beauty of life. It's basically like holding a mirror up to the ocean and saying, "You are fucking amazing. Your endless balter, your whispers and sighs, I love you."
It's a bit hard to explain. We are the universe, but consciousness is just a way to realize that.

>>1898790
Sounds like a god worthy of worship teebeehach famalama

The weak and poor should be weak and poor

How has love been put in such a position to be viewed as corny, meaningless, and gay? All I ever want to do is love people but you know, "that's fucking gay."

>>1899641
Clarify

>>1898945
Isn't that just luciferianism?

>>1898535
Heritage is a spook.
Ethnic identity is a spook.
Racial identity is a spook.
Anything that leads you to take credit for the accomplishments of the dead, is a spook.
Multiculturalism is undesirable because it creates unnecessary division between the citizens of a nation.
There should be one world language, with all other languages being abolished except for the purposes of translation.
All ideologies are fundamentally wrong because they force you to accept ideas whole-sale without any kind of nuance or the ability to adapt to changing contexts.
Tribalism is humanity's worst enemy, though it was once useful for survival.
We're living in the most peaceful time in history.
Humanity should be striving as much as possible towards immortality. Criticisms of immortality are just sour grapes and a way to come to grips with the fear of death.
Backwards time travel is impossible and will always be impossible.
Objective and subjective morality are both wrong and are a false dichotomy.
The "self" is not a uniform individual or a soul, but rather a conflicting mesh of biological interests.
The concept of "justice" has been romanticized to an unhealthy degree and has led to a fundamental flaw in the application of law.
A mixture between capitalism and socialism is best, it's just a matter of balancing them properly.

>>1899665
>The concept of "justice" has been romanticized to an unhealthy degree and has led to a fundamental flaw in the application of law.
explain further

The Reformation was necessary, inevitable, and a net force for good.

>>1899681
It's too focused on punishment and not enough on results and societal benefits.

>>1899652

Is it? I dont know

>>1899665
How old are you? Serious question.

>>1899683

I don't think anyone can really disagree with this

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>>1898535

You, yourself got absolutely no influence on politics. Your vote is only one single and instad what memes say, your vote doesn't matter unless you arent living in a 10000 population country or some shit. Your(talking about "you", as a person) tools got absolutely no effect on elite's tools, not even mentioning media. Everything is planned, and you got no influence at any of them. So there is no point at worrying over politics, you can't change anything unless you are a politcian or a billionare. You can just watch and enjoy memes if you like political memes.

>b-but x guy/y group is """changing""" elite's agenda!!!
yeah, im talking about you. they would exist without you either.

pic somewhat related

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>>1898535

Instead of 1984, pic related is the ultimate agenta of kikes, elites or whatever you call them. And it's a great utopia. Hope it happens.

>tfw no soma

>>1899761
>controversial
it's commonly said that 1984 = left-wing dictatorships, while BNW = right-wing dictatorships

>>1898535
the human races are the same species but they're different

>>1899781

Todays left wing dictatorships are aiming BNW utopia too. Left wing isn't USSR left wing anymore if we dont count NK

>>1899781
Literally nobody has ever said this. Also 1984 was written by a social democrat

>>1899781
>1984 = left-wing dictatorships
George Orwell would want to punch you in the face, it's about authoritarian dictatorship, left and right, plain and simple.

>>1898882
We are greater.
Can a cheetah run faster than a sports car?
Can a monkey compose a sonnet?
Can a hawk fly to the moon?
Can an animal create culture?

We are more than simple animals, much more. In less than 50 years we have changed this planet more than any living thing in its ecosystem. People like you baffle me.

>>1899733
24. Do you have a real question that isn't based in cliche?

>>1898935
Just look at the life of Chris Chan as a counterargument for that

>>1899833
Do you have any real opinions not based on cliches?

Some opinions are simply wrong, and have no purpose existing in a modern society. You can't simply claim free speech if you are fucking retarded

>>1899856
>Some opinions are simply wrong
According to who?

>>1899855
Oh, deflection, that's a pretty big cliche.

You're very boring. Can't offer up any substance but you still think you're superior.

>>1899869
There was no implication of superiority. But this reaction reveals more about your insecure personality.

>>1899665
>Objective and subjective morality are both wrong and are a false dichotomy.

If I say killing someone who I loved who has done you no wrong makes you a destructive and unpredictable force in society and is in everyone's best interest to be isolated from how am I wrong?

>>1899885
>There was no implication of superiority

Oh please, ageism is the definition of implied superiority.

Again, you have no substance. This is /his/, not /b/. Until you give me substance I'm not going to bother with you. Give me a real criticism based on real thought, something constructive.

>>1899901
I don't see what you *want* from me. I just wanted to see how old you were as to better understand.

technological progress and prosperity are cancers to the earth and nations should not have come this far

also, every nation should be homogeneous and deportations are okay with me to make that possible

>>1899665
I agree with this list unironically.

ultimate focus of humanity should find a way of biological immortality/anti aging.

>but what about population control
simple, neuter the "cured" ones

>>1899925
>technological progress and prosperity are cancers to the earth and nations should not have come this far
Explain

>>1899940
technology has only harmed nature and made humanity too self reliant on little machines
basically all i mean is that prosperity and progress are not some absolute good to be strived for
whether it improves human quality of life doesn't matter to me

>>1898535
Western civilisation has terminal cancer. Not in some loose metaphorical sense; civilisations ars literally organisms, and ours literally has cancer. The best thing would be for us to go under as quickly as possible before our self-destructive tendencies metastise worldwide.

>>1899887
I would object to your personal bias in the matter, and I would object to your assumption about the character of the murderer and how much or how little impact they would have on society. I think that would require a much more in-depth analysis. It could be that the murderer would not a commit another crime in their life, it could be they're a serial killer who would go on to slaughter 30 more people. It could be that the latter could turn into the former given the right circumstances, it could be that they have no hope of recovery.

As far as the objective vs subjective morality argument goes, I just think it's too based on extremes. Either there's an objective unchanging universal set of morals that must always be obeyed, or everything is fair game and it's all just subjective/cultural. I don't fall into either of those categories, and honestly I doubt most people do either. I think context matters, and that we should be ready to update our morals as we gain new information, but I also think that some cultures have better results than others, and that those better results are desirable.

>>1899961
>technology has only harmed nature
It also has the potential to repair it and more
>made humanity too self reliant on little machines
This evens out. It everyone has access to the same resources( I assume you are thinking os smartphones, the internet etc.),the most capable will still prevail.

>>1898535
Jews are the sons of the devil

>>1899974
*are, not ars

>tfw you spend ages rewording and checking your post, then make one last-minute edit and a typo creeps in

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>>1898546
First post best post.

>>1899961
Our sun will not support life on Earth indefinitely, and Gaia is not about to set up a space program, other that through humans and technology

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Where to begin? Most of the basic ideals that we have are wrong in my opinion.

I think:
>christians are essentially an apocalyptic cuck cult
>muslims are essentially an apocalyptic death cult
>jesus was just a failed muhammed
>muhammed was a psychotic warlord (as in literally insane)
>most religions (everything non-mainstream) should be banned as cults
>mainstream religions should have all their tax breaks and privileges taken away from them
>people should be educated in school about the falsity and harm of religion
>it should be socially acceptable to ridicule and hate religion and the religious, just as it is acceptable to hate rapists

I also think:
>all marriages should be arranged
>monogamy should be abolished
>when people hit puberty everyone should have their virginity taken within a month or two (by force if necessary and by both sexes)
>some people are just stupid and can't be educated (math/science/etc) so we shouldn't bother
>mercy has no place in the justice system
>the death penalty is acceptable for some crimes and the guillotine should be used
>sky ferreira > cara delevigne
>the harm principle is the only ethical imperative

And finally:
>many nations are fake (e.g. FYROM, Israel, China)
>the continued u.s. occupation of hawaii is illegal

>>1899824
People like him usually have done nothing in their lives or are disappointed with themselves so they feel the need to bring down humanity as a whole in order to equalize their percieved shittiness.

>>1899977
>I would object to your personal bias in the matter
Is my bias not my own personal, subjective truth as your own tendency to moderacy is yours?>>1899977
>I would object to your assumption about the character of the murderer and how much or how little impact they would have on society
If a man ends the consciousness of another, who has done him no wrong, and who he has nothing to gain from by killing, does this not make the man irrational and prone to disruption of all societies made by order, social or otherwise? Can you provide a situation where he is not?

>As far as the objective vs subjective morality argument goes, I just think it's too based on extremes. Either there's an objective unchanging universal set of morals that must always be obeyed, or everything is fair game and it's all just subjective/cultural. I don't fall into either of those categories, and honestly I doubt most people do either.

Is this not your own personal truth? Could someone not come to a radically different conclusion with a series of objective, unchanging morals or subjective ones? Is your assumption of "most people" agreeing with you not founded on personal preference?

>>1900003
>jesus was just a failed muhammed

What did you mean by this? I don't think Jesus ever tried to conquer anybody. In what ways did he fail?

>>1900003
what did he mean by this?

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>>1900003
>*tips fedora*

>>1900020
>social or otherwise?
*moral or otherwise* sorry

>>1898535
The darker your skin the closer you are to dark and evil forces. Think of one brown to black person that's made the world a better place. I can't. They're demons and the more of them are out and about among people of The Light, the closer we are to the end times.

Most of religion practices are just glorified LARPing, the rest is pure insanity.

>>1900021
he was a political figure that by definition sought power but all he managed to do was get himself (rightfully) executed

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>>1900003
>>all marriages should be arranged
>>monogamy should be abolished

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>>1900000
Nice.

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>>1900000
Holy macarony those digits

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>>1900000

Quints Confirm

>>1900003

>all marriages should be arranged
>when people hit puberty everyone should have their virginity taken within a month or two (by force if necessary and by both sexes)

Literally the most beta virgin shit I've read on this board.

The most controversial opinion I have is that everything is ok and in its right place.

>>1900087
You obviously haven't read any godcuck threads.

>>1900096
What about ISIS, huh? Ever think of that?

>>1900020
>Is my bias not my own personal, subjective truth as your own tendency to moderacy is yours?

Despite what I might have conveyed in previous posts, I don't think moderation is always desirable. But I would not deny that I, of course, have bias. I would not claim to be the sole arbiter of justice in any case, I think it has to be systemic. I would not instill my values from on high.

I object to your personal bias in this instance because the victim's family is often placed front and center in matters of justice. At that point the state essentially becomes a tool of revenge, when its primary concern should be the well-being of society as a whole.

>Can you provide a situation where he is not?

Crimes of passion, for starters. Committing a murder does not always mean that you have a tendency towards murder, that you are guaranteed to kill again if left alone. It depends on the situation and the psychology of the murderer.

If the facts of the case were known, if the psychology of the murderer was known, and if the likelihood of a repeat offense was known, then I think a reasonable decision on their fate could be reached. But could that method still be called objective morality? I don't think the method is universal enough, it requires too much in the way of context.

>Is this not your own personal truth?

Of course it's my personal truth, that's what this thread is about.

Ideally my way of doing things would be justified by the evidence and the long-term results. It would not simply be "I feel like this is the way things should be done, so they will be done this way, and that's that, forever". If they're not justified by the evidence and the long-term results then I would have to change my way of thinking accordingly.

As far as "most people" goes, I could be wrong, of course. I'm not psychic.

>>1900143
I like this discussion because I believe we are currently grappling with a similar ideas, that is the nature of objectiveness.

But surely you see the irony in denying objective laws and then providing a system with which they are to be made?

>Ideally my way of doing things would be justified by the evidence and the long-term results

What evidence and results would sway you to such a conclusion? And how can you be sure they cannot be interpreted differently than how you are interpretating them? How also, could you be sure of the truth of this evidence?

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capitalism is god's way of separating the smart from the poor

melancholy/sadness is good, can elaborate if needed

>>1900264
Elaborate because it hasn't been a very good influence on my life so far.

>>1900264
In the sense it's not boredom, sure. But I wouldn't say that's enough to qualify it as 'good'.

>>1899824
None of those things suggest we're not animals or that we aren't governed by similar instincts and psychological mechanisms as other animals.
We can take pride in those achievements and see value and beauty in things without having to deny facts.

>>1899824
>Can an animal create culture?

Yes by definition, because we are animals. Being a really cool animal which has achieved some zany shit doesn't change that fact.

>>1900280
>None of those things suggest we're not animals
At the very least it makes us the most powerful animal on the face of the Earth. I don't deny we have animal instincts, but they are, I believe, more substantial and have much more depth.

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>"I'm tired of this back-slappin' 'isn't humanity neat' bullshit. We're a virus with shoes. Okay? That's all we are." - Bill Hicks

what did he mean by this?

>>1900293
You know what I meant. Animals do not create art, they do not mate for pleasure, they do not have hobbies

>>1900274

in short, it makes you get happy with small things.

every single person in planet become sad and happy. no exceptions. rich/poor doesn't matter. but people that lived happy life for a long time get sad easier, and its hard to make them happy again compared to people that lived sad life most of their life. it will sound faggy because people pretend to be edgy here, but you can make a crippled vet happy with simply saying "hello sir, nice to see you" or giving 10$ to a homeless guy that lost everything because he got fired or some shit. but most people that lived happy lives so far are harder to become happy again, that requires more effort and their happiness lasts lesser compared to other ones.

there is nothing wrong with being sad, it just requires patience.

Am i the only one freaked out by...
>Quarterback moves his arm forward
>ball comes out of his hand, in a spiral
>its a hail mary
>light reflects off of this event and a camera picks it up
>this camera converts light to electrical signals, and those signals get converted to radiowaves
>those radiowaves travels hundreds or thousands of miles and are picked up by a receiver in someones cable box
>the cable box sends an electrical signal to a tv which converts it to a picture which is picked up by the eye of the television veiwer
>this television viewer's eye converts photo-chemical reactions into electrical impulses that get sent through this views nervous system
>the brain interprets this signal and sends releases adrenaline and cortisol
>this football fan is pissed off
>his brain converts quick electric-impulse-thoughts to his arm which is storing kinetic energy and he beats his wife
it is theoretically possible to predict how/when domestic abuse happens based on the completion percentage of a qb

>>1900315
>but you can make a crippled vet happy with simply saying "hello sir, nice to see you" or giving 10$ to a homeless guy that lost everything because he got fired or some shit.
How do you know they wont be miserable again in five minutes when they remember they're starving

>>1900331

those are just examples, also they'd more likely to think better entire day than their average day. im depressed as fuck but i get happy for stupid things too that normal people wouldnt care.

>>1900331
cause they'll use that money to buy a cheeseburg-
i mean use that money to buy drugs to forget everything for a few hours
duh

>>1898546
Wa Aliyyun Waliullah.

>>1898535
the jews are responsible for all world problems

>>1900353
go to bed mel

>>1898982
I love you too. Life and existence truly is beautiful

>>1900230
>But surely you see the irony in denying objective laws and then providing a system with which they are to be made?

My issue is that once the laws become "objective", they become impossible or very difficult to change. The system cannot have an end-point, it must continuously seek to improve itself, and to consider the context of every situation.

>What evidence and results would sway you to such a conclusion?

Crime rates, incarceration rates, various measurements of quality of life, and so on.

>And how can you be sure they cannot be interpreted differently than how you are interpretating them?

Ideally it would be: policy X is implemented and carried out, then after a number of years data is compared between the date before the policy and the date after the policy. If there is a significant change, then it must be determined how much of that change was due to the policy, and how much other factors were involved.

I think multiple interpretations would be inevitable given the variety of human thought as well as the influence of various political/ideological/economic agendas, but if the policy implementation is unambiguous and the results clear, then it would be difficult to dispute its effectiveness (or lack thereof).

>How also, could you be sure of the truth of this evidence?

Reliable sources with clear methodology.

>>1900353
Did the Jews cause erectile dysfunction?

>>1898535
Depression is just a disorder that afflicts people who have no honour in society. Without the presence of real human relationships, man can't live to conform; if he cannot conform, he is without honour in his group, an outsider, leading to honour suicide. - A side note, liberals are often the most depressed people, because they spite social standards and claim to "love themselves" even when the stigma that society perpetuates against them is because of their own selfish and anti-social actions. Sluts are the polar opposite, yet just as anti-social, as robots and anti-social men.

To establish real human relationships, such is the imperative of many social animals, one must establish fellowship, a likeness to the group; this includes racial exclusivity, religiosity, etc. Fellowship is crucial for relationships.

Morality is a form of communication, like language, and thus evolves as a form of communication between groups of people. When there's a lacking of fellowship, such as the state-protected multicultural polity, morality becomes loose and decadent, and aggression therein becomes even worse, as fellowships fade.

Thus, it is the goal of a moral society to be lacking of moral protection by law (including murder), as moral agents will execute their own justice , a justification of honour, because they are a unified people, a fellowship thus are capable of carrying out real justice on behalf of the people.

>>1900410
>My issue is that once the laws become "objective", they become impossible or very difficult to change. The system cannot have an end-point, it must continuously seek to improve itself, and to consider the context of every situation.

I believe I know what you are saying. You wish to have a form of state that takes account of its own needs as it arises and requires the use of objective data to improve it's current situation. I actually had a very similar idea, but since then I have found flaws in it.

In order to measure such data for a state (as you put it crime rates, incarceration etc.) you will need both gatherers of this information and interpreters. You may be puzzled as to why we need interpreters, but consider the amount of false or skewed infographics (/pol/ comes to mind) you may have seen. The consider the reactions of people to this data who have little to no experience in the field the data described. They will mostly believe it unless they have some deep personal issue with it, or are very skeptical.

This is of course a simplification, but one needs experts in a certain field to correctly interpret data. "Okay" you think "We have solved it then, the experts come to a generally accepted in there field based on this evidence which shows a clear trend in how our society should be run". But say two experts, who have the same years of experience in their field ,disagree on the results of a study. Suppose two lawyers, whom have both read a study saying a new law has decreased prosecution take odds with each other. One says it is beneficial because it means more innocent men go free, and that the data is clear in its representation, but there is another who claims that the lack of prosecution is due to the new law restricting evidence used to convict criminals. Both of these men have had the same years of experience and mastery in their field, who do you believe?

(cont.)

>>1900460

>muh society

why do you expect me to like or contribute to society made of mostly people that i dont have even single common point? why do you think i should care about those people that i'd dislike with 5 minutes of talk?

>>1900328
Kek

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>>1898535

Life has no inherent value beyond being a sac of meat, your worth is what you can bring to the universe.

And yes, some life are worth more than others.

>>1900515

is dark blue GOAT of colors?

>>1900460
>Implying you can't have depression and Honor
Achilles is a prime example.

>>1900479
Because I love you, anon. Do you not love me?

Universal ethical systems are a corrupting force; fiduciary duty is the only real morality.

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>>1900532

b-but, you are exception

>>1900474
Now we must pause for a minute and go to our gatherers of data. If the purpose of this information is to test laws , then it stands to reason the gatherers must only gather the relevant(relevant meaning beneficial to your state, whatever that may be) data directly changed by the passage of policies. Barring obvious corruption of this, such as bribery by special interests who would be harmed by such a law, the gatherer's must know which data is critical to gather. If we allowed them to act individually in their investigations then we cannot know or control how they acquire the data, which means it may not relate to policy or betterment of the state at all, which means it is worthless. A baseline must be created and followed, but if it is it must be created by our experts in the matter of which we are measuring, the only ones who can correctly digest material in their field; our interpreters.

And now we come back to them. If interpreters are to exist then they must exist in their own space of objectiveness, a world without personal feeling or experience, they would have to be machines, only capable of being fed information and used to calculate a response of what it will do. Now I may embarrass myself here, because I am bad with technology, but to my knowledge there has been no machine that "objectively" records and predicts data from studies. In this we come to the paradox which thwarts the effectiveness of this society, that the data which we base our changes on and make our laws of, can only be interpreted by a select few who are experts in it, but that they may interpret things differently due to personal experience or bias to the data, and if they do, and you must choose one of their interpretations to follow, you, being faced with now meaningless data, will probably choose what falls in line most with your personal beliefs, which means you are betraying the precious objective research the society is based on.

>>1900539
<3 :3

Moderacy is usually best and those who aren't moderates are radicals, which is very bad.

>>1900642
t. Radical Centrist

>>1900479
>why do you expect me to like or contribute to society made of mostly people that i dont have even single common point?
Exactly...
EXACTLY

Society is a relationship between people. Family is our first relationship; the pleasures of family increase with participation of family rituals that strengthen the role of family, such as family dinners, reunions, taco night, etc.. Society, likewise, is strengthened through the pleasure of social ritual, rituals like religion, school, pubs, work, etc.

>>1900524
Achilles was a myth.
But also, you're conflating honour with respect.

Most modern people don't know what honour really is, because they haven't ever experienced it. It's the solidification of one's role and place in society, but to be honoured is to validate oneself by the respect one is given by other people.
Think of a fisherman. How do you know he's a fisherman? Not because he goes fishing, but because he presents himself as a fisherman; his confidence is unwavered. To honour someone, is to bring them validation, not respect. People honoured Achilles, for example, but it was not enough to validate his role; he was too egoistic or anti-social. He obviously didn't care for Sparta, neither did he care about being honoured by Spartans, otherwise he would have that validation.

>>1900677
Your definition of honor is too narrow. Achilles didn't fight because he tried to keep his honor in tact after his shouting match with Agamemnon; if he did fight for the Greeks (Not Sparta, by the way), he would lose face in giving into Agamemnon's command. However, he discovers that if he doesn't fight, he still loses honor for not saving his men and specifically failing to avenge his butt buddy Patroclus. It's not about one's role in society, but one's relation to society shaped by both personal and public perception. Achilles had depression most of the book because he realizes the meaninglessness of honor. He only snaps out of it after embracing the senselessness and going into school-shooter mode.

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>>1898535

The trend of the universe is to gather simplicity and mold it into greater complexity. From the cell to the human body, we have amassed smaller, independent things and formed them into larger whole.

Each new level of complex "wholeness" creates a new and wider form of consciousness. Humans are another stepping stone in this long process, and fated to be assimilated into a new one-ness like all previous iterations of complex life.

Eventually we will become so indistinct that we won't recognize our own individuality. Instead some new existence will consider us all a small part of itself.

>>1900474
>>1900552
I don't think the gathering of data as it relates to crime is an issue. I think that, generally, government stats on incarceration rates and violent crime in the modern era are reliable. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, then I'd be more than happy to look over it, but that's been my general impression. Law enforcement has no incentive (as of yet) to manipulate such data, or at least the raw numbers. Now maybe they would if there was policy at stake (as seen in the city of Baltimore), but I think the recipe for that is vigilance on the part of the government, the press, and the citizens (which is admittedly a tall order).

As far as how that data is to be interpreted, indeed there will probably be multiple interpretations of the data. I think the solution is first, to be as unambiguous as possible to reduce the amount of potential interpretations, and second, to be results-oriented. If the implementation of the policy leads to positive results (such as lower violent crime rate and lower incarceration rate), then it can be interpreted as a positive change. Maybe there were other factors at play, possibly larger, but at least we can conclude that the policy did not have a detrimental effect and can be left in place. The caveat is that the data range has to be expansive enough, possibly several decades. The policy would also have to be re-examined if the data were to significantly shift the other way somewhere down the line.

I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that, for example, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 led to an increase in the US prison population. We have a hindsight of 22 years, we can see the trends, and we can deduce how the act would lead to such a result. It might not be the only factor, but we know that, at the very least, the policies in the bill were significantly involved. It would therefore follow that the policies that the bill set forth should be re-examined, and potentially changed.

>>1898535
Notjing exist

>>1898535
No free will

>>1899120
If people are happiest and most content at a point in which they have nothing, which woukd easily be considered the default state of life, then what possible motivations could the countless generations of people who have strived for an increase in amenities and liberties have for doing so?

And don't claim they were led there by demagoguery, there's no basis for such demagoguery to if your model is to be believed.

>>1898535
No free will

>>1900731
>too narrow

No, it's exact.

>Achilles had depression most of the book because he realizes the meaninglessness of honor.
Exactly! the presupposed idea of "Honour" to Achilles was not right. He wanted to be above Agamemnon yet still be praised among greeks.
It's very telling of Agamemnon's rule, because it shows that he may be a great leader, but he only leads because it's his legal duty; the people won't oppose him, out of fear.
It's very hard to live in two worlds, honour and law, at the same time.

One of three things should occur,
that a child is the property of their parents,
that a child is the property of the state
or that a child is an independent and fully actualised citizen with individual rights as all adults from birth.
None of this child services middle ground.

>>1900819
I think by that time we cease to be humans as we know it... And dead. Either way no fuss.

>>1901222

Likely, yeah.

As I swirl this around in my head, I just keep thinking over and over: "God is a destination"

Is our ability to conceive of an existence which is a compression of everything into one a signal of our human ignorance, or a sign of our progression toward that eventuality?

>>1900460

>that non-sequitur

Great argument. Agree with most of the premises, but it doesn't follow that a lack of legal authority leads to human flourishing.

Where you went wrong was when you assumed that all legal institutions end up bending over backwards for extreme tolerance and multiculturalism. This is merely a product of democracy--which, btw, Plato says some similar things on this matter, and not a product of all governments. However, like Plato thought, democracy may be an inevitable development of all governments.


But society is cyclical anyway.

>>1898535
We as humans are suffering from Halo's Rampancy

>>1898982
Are you Jesus?

>>1899120
Not all people. Some are born to lead, others to follow, and those who can do neither are forced to wander the earth.

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>>1899665

Murder isn't wrong when you kill someone you hateD.

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We are animals that tamed ourselves, and we are better off for it.

I believe that there is a scale of how natural vs civil a person is. The more natural the person is, the more they let themselves selfishly give in to their primal desires without care of the consequences to themselves or (more importantly) then others.

This need for civility to combat our natural selves is an extension of the reality that we live in a godless universe, or at least a universe where God is apathetic or whose motives and methods cannot be discerned. The only ones that can help us are ourselves

This need to be civil and egalitarian as opposed to natural and fearful has lead to the slow buildup of civilization. As civilization grew, religion gave an essential tool for humanity to keep itself civil - guidelines for proper living an be found in essentially every religion.

This buildup can be cast back down as humans become more base and fearful due to famine, war, etc. This can last a week in a village or it can become a habit for an entire culture. So it is most important to prevent humanity from slipping back to our base actions.

>>1901315
>Where you went wrong was when you assumed that all legal institutions end up bending over backwards for extreme tolerance and multiculturalism.

I understand where you're coming from.

There hasn't been a country in the history of mankind where the law hasn't lead to moral decay.
Countries that don't face moral decay, and instead face a despotic state, often end up with revolutions (as a result of the law superceding morality) and eventually a state is formed.

Karl Marx wrote Das Kapital in Germany, a place with very loose morals due to the rule of law; his writings, however, only became effectively heard in countries where there was no moral legroom due to too much law (places like Russia).
The libertarians in America want to reduce law, which is a noble deed, but there's already too much damage done; you can't have a harmonious state that is divided at heart. If law were to get any stricter (as it has been recently), it will lead to revolution. Modern America is already full of Marxists. Canada is full of Marxists. Communism isn't something separate of capitalism or statism; it's a byproduct of capitalism. Marx commented that communism was an evolution of capitalism.

>However, like Plato thought, democracy may be an inevitable development of all governments.
Exactly.. Law breeds law. When a legal state gets so tired of despotism, it reforms; a new state, better laws; then, in only a short amount of time again, it rinses and repeats; the constant evolution of law, always reforming to fit the "moral objective" when there is in fact no moral objective. Plato was the worst philosopher in my opinion. And when a democracy gets so far, it crumbles under its own weight (like Rome), because the morals of the people were far too superceded by law that it was nearly impossible for Rome to stand as its own nation.

>>1901510

>says Plato was the worst philosopher
>literally spouts an opinion equivalent to an esoteric reading of the Republic

u wot m8

>>1898535
Golden Age man was both man and women. After our fall we got split up into two sexes. In our regenerated state we will be one flesh with our female counterparts again.

>>1901526
He was the worst philosopher, because he believed and perpetuated the idea that the evolution of law leads to human prosperity. He even details how it changes over time. Karl marx had this same idea, and said that the natural progression of capitalism were to become communism.

They are all ideas based around the assumption that "Law is good".

The Jews had it coming but Hitler still fucked up by persecuting them

>>1898535
Public executions and tortures should be considered for really terrible crimes, but its just my thoughts.

>>1898570
>anything is 'meant' to happen

imagine being so stupid, are you an american?

>>1898935
I work at a service for severe mental illness and you are just objectively wrong

>>1898939
>what was the bubonic plague
>what was tuberculosis

diseases only sprang up after genetic engineering?

>>1898982
if you love everything then you love nothing

if there is no discrimination between that which is loved and that which is not then it's completely meaningless and you could supplant the word 'love' with any word you like

do you love the act of brutal, fatal child rape?

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Ethnicity isn't important, culture is.

>>1901894
Do you agree that there are physical and mental differences between ethnicities?

world war 3 will happen someday

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>>1901914
Yes, but not in any way enough to consider said differences when making decisions.

>>1901931
What sort of decisions?

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>>1898956
>>1899545
>>1899553
>>1899665
>>1898863

>>1899937
>>1901894
>>1900515
>>1900381
>>1899062
>>1898982

>>1898535
The State of Israel will eventually be the last true Western-style liberal democracy to exist

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>>1898535

>Civilization peaked around 1914
>the wrong side unironically won WW2
>in the long run we will all just live in a bland homogenous yet materially prosperous dystopia

>>1901934
Everything. Race is not a factor, the person is.

>>1901945
On a personal basis yes, otherwise it's foolish to ignore.
And race is a part of who the person is, the judgement should be made on their character and actions, but race absolutely will have an influence on what that is.

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>>1901955
>... race absolutely will have an influence on what that is.
I disagree, and even if it did, it would not make as much of a difference as income, education, place of birth, and such.

>>1901962
I think it's a really big mistake to put it out of the question

>>1901976
I don't.

>Gustav Mbembe, Swedish dentist
or
>Gustav Nilsson, Swedish janitor

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As a huge Byzaboo, I have to admit that the Turks have taken pretty good care of Constantinople and I sincerely doubt that Greeks could have done as good a job, if Athens is any indication.

>>1898956
>>1899665
>>1901894
>esoteric and controversial thoughts and opinions

It would be healthy for our Western society if we'd facilitate the magical thinking that was mostly suppressed in the course of the enlightenment and the rise of modern science. That is, we shouldn't return to the Middle Ages or anything, but we should give such thoughts space so that we can restore a modern mythology and identity through them

>>1901991
Normies don't think culture is important, 4chan contrarians think ethnicity is important.

>>1902017
>Normies don't think culture is important
t. upper class Londoner

I don't know if this is esoteric thoughts or esoteric historical thoughts but

Jews are actually a creation of Christianity. Thought the religion of the Temple in Jesus's time bears the same name, a (exaggerated) claim of lineage, and some cultural similarities, in truth Rabbinical Judaism is its own beast and was intimately shaped by Christian traditions.

Jews were defined as Yahweh (the father) worshiping deists that didn't have to accept Jesus or were outsiders of conventional Christian society. Thus making them more tolerable than true pagans but different enough that the same rules didn't apply. Kind of like how the untouchables in india are conceived as semi-separate from normal society and thus allowed to do all the disgusting jobs that still need to be done. A ready made excuse to do things like credit and loaning in a culture that religiously forbade usury. Also an absorption class for freaks and malcontents. There was need of such an outsider class so one was constructed.

"Jews" would have and mostly were either killed or absorbed culturally everywhere else. But because in Christian kingdoms there was some shared prestige from sharing the same clan as Jesus the concept of Jews were tolerated. Ironically rather than the mainstream narrative of pogrom all day every day Europe had a unique culture of tolerance towards Judaism not seen anywhere else.

Evidence:
everywhere else extreme religious minorities are destroyed. There are no pagan Egyptians left. Nor true Nordic or Greek polytheists. Not even protestants in France were tolerated. But strangely Jews are an exception?

Almost all Jews are European in culture (all their religious traditions come from Ashkenazi or Sephardic traditions) implying that the bulk of what makes a Jew a Jew was decided in Germany or Spain. The narrative of a Diaspora everywhere including China, Persia, and Africa was a later popularized myth to add more legitimacy Jewish identity and connection to the ancient Israelites.

Houellebecq hit the nail on the head with Submission. Christianity has failed Europe, and the continent's only hope now lies with Islam.

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>>1899665
calm down Marx

>>1902033

Excellent.

>>1899781
You do know Orwell was a literal socialist, right?

>>1902028
No, lower middle class Malmöite

>>1902082
You do know Orwell betrayed every prominent British socialist, referred to the American civil rights movement as anti-white and detested homosexuals, right?

>>1898535
Aryan-like people had a civilization greater than ours more then 12,000 years ago, which included Atlantis. Even more ancient is their homeland, hyperborea, which was said to be in the Arctic circle during a much warmer period.

The mythologies of the Greeks, Norse, Chinese, Hindu and many more refer to these primordial people, considered to be gods.

Miscegenation has been our undoing and will be our undoing. Eugenics is absolutely paramount to exceed our standard of living and excel as a species.

The bronze age was the height of civilization.

>>1898564
Just like a bubble pops in and out of existence alongside countless other bubbles of various sizes and properties.

>>1898792
Singularity is an absurdity - nothing is infinite, it's just a mathematical error, we will have lots of processing and maybe consciousness inside machines that process thousands of years of human development in weeks - but it will eventually reach its technological limitation and ultimately it will cease to be like everything in the universe after a very long period of time.

Sexuality is a Jewish myth

School (aside from socializing and getting a piece of paper) has become completely worthless because of the internet

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>>1898790
>tips fedora
M' lady

>>1898971
t. -stein

>>1899136
Only those with the least regard for human life who succeed in our society. It's the moralfags own fault for caring about other people.

This website is politically inept and nothing on it should be considered accurate even if it might be

I've posted this before, but it's not something I really seriously talked about.

I believe Israel should annex Palestine outright and deport them to the borders (this will incite a revolt which will likely damage the population, a desire able outcome for israel). The west should help this come to pass and support Israel which is the only viable democracy in the middle east.

I used to be pro Palestine on the basis that Israel is a colonial state but I asked myself a question: "if Palestine became it's own state what kind of state would it be?" The answer is obviously that it would be another shithole theocracy breeding poverty and terrorism. Even if it became a democracy the people would no-doubt vote in an Islamist party that would continue the bloodshed as per the usual trend in that cesspool. It's in israel's best interest to kill a large portion of the male palestinian population. I'don't even go further and say that Israel's should invade it's neighbouring countries and install puppet regimes in them to become the regional hegemon. The west should support them in this because islam is a cancer and runs totally counter to western values.

I also happen to think that the answer to the migrant crisis is to sanction any middle eastern country (barring israel) not taking in mass amounts of refugees. The Gulf states, Saudi Arabia and he Maghreb should have been on the forefront taking in refugees but they have done next to nothing for their Muslim brothers. It's unfair to allow people to cross a fucking sea on the false assumption that Europe wants or can afford to support them. The UN should have a coalition navy patrolying crossing areas where the will capture boats, bring them back to safety and then fly them to the nearest Arab Muslim country. let the UN be useful FOR FUCKING ONCE

>>1903508
UN figures are showing 0 refugees in saudi and other arabic countries because these countries aren't part of the UN program. Google "saudi arabia syrian refugee numbers."
Also, over half the refugees in the world are hosted by a group of 10 countries which are almost all 3rd world countries. Research a bit beyond edgy fb posts, m8

>>1899863
According to whoever is saying some opinions are wrong.

That's how subjectivity works, it's literally just their opinion that another opinion is wrong.

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Trains and railroads could have been invented at least a thousand years before they actually were.

What knowledge do you need to make a basic, Rocket-tier train? Ironworking, the wheel, gears/pulleys/levers and steampower. All of that was in mass use in the classical era, and though steam was not used to such a degree, there was information about it, and that it could move stuff. (Pic related)

If some Greek Engineer saw this, and hooked it up to some wheels on a metal track, we would have had railroads. And trains can be improved quite a bit before needing any more knowledge than iron, gears, and steam, so we could have had pretty good ones too.

>>1904248
>Ironworking
You need high quality steel before steam engines become practical.

metallurgical techniques were too primitive to produce steel of this quality until only recently.

>If some Greek Engineer saw this,
Plenty of Greeks saw it, and thought that it was a neat toy. It really wouldn't have been feasible in Greco-Roman times.

>>1900313
Dolphins and other intelligent animals mate for pleasure. His point is that we're slaves to biology for the most part

I believe Milton Friedman was a crypto-communist.

We'll have full communism by the end of the century, after 99% if the petty bourgeoisie is rendered jobless by automation and competition.

>>1904333
And this process was accelerated by Friedman's reforms. That's one of the reasons I believe he was a communist.

>>1904333
It's "petite" bourgeoisie.

>>1898982
It's like a grocery bag blowin in the wind dude.

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Everyone should accept the next step in our socio-economic evolution. The concept of government is rotten and deeply manipulated by interests in the private sector. The leftist political philosophies that were the reaction to the Industrial Revolution have failed. All promises of a utopia have also failed. An economic and technological singularity is what awaits us, expect a living under a global corporativist cyberpunk dystopia and nothing else.

>>1900310
He meant you have to go back to tumblr.

>>1898535
Death isn't anything to worry about, since you never experience it. The universe only exists for the individual as long as the individual is alive, so everything, including the universe, ends when the individual dies.

>>1900003
>China is a fake nation
What does that even mean?
>US occupation of Hawaii is illegal?
What does that even mean?
>sky ferreira > cara delevigne
What does that even mean?
>betashit about virginity, monogamy and arranged marriages
You are a sad virgin, aren't you?

>>1898956
some people deserve to have nothing, the problem is that those people are seldom the ones that actually do have nothing

The death penalty is justified and it's worth convicting people to it as principle when it's called for the type of crimes they committed.

Prison sentences shouldn't be for rehabilitation, but as punishment, and the duration or severity of such punishment should be decided on how much the defendant is willing to integrate back into society.

Juries are a sham and should be excluded from the criminal justice system.

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Lebanese Christians and Lebanon are the successors of Phoenecians and Phoenecia respectively. There should be a Maronite state setup in Lebanon similar to Israel.

>>1899781
Dictatorship was the part Orwell emphasized

He was a socialist and fucking fought in the Spanish Civil War for socialism

>>1904355
no it isn't

>>1904822
>Prison sentences shouldn't be for rehabilitation, but as punishment, and the duration or severity of such punishment should be decided on how much the defendant is willing to integrate back into society.
While I don't disagree that our current "reformation" initiatives are shit, I refuse to believe you can't see how this is circular logic. If people aren't reformed and taught to desire a new role in society, then how the hell are they going to stop being fucking criminals and escape the criminal justice system?
What you're arguing for is codifying the criminal underclass, which is both ethically reprehensible and economically unfeasible because it will grow exponentially compared to all other sects of the population.
>Juries are a sham and should be excluded from the criminal justice system.
Wew, lad
Please convince me that trial by peer under the common rule of law is somehow worse than giving a politicized individual absolute control, with an argument that accounts for the failures of human altruism.

There is no reason to be mad someone is a communist. You look like a fucking idiot doing it, and you probably can't wipe your own ass properly.

>>1904432
All peoples who have liberated themselves from corrupt governments have reformed under the banner of a new government, either internally or externally formed. Government is a natural inclination of humans as social creatures and to claim otherwise is regressive to the core.

The fact that all governments trend towards corruption is exactly why enlightenment-era thinkers were so keen on using patriots as fertilizer.

>>1904857
There's no reason to be mad at anything you poof, emotional response is subjective and therefor meaningless

>>1902780
I'd generally agree, though the new irrelevance of organized education is never going to catch on because
A: politics
and
B: natural human inclination to avoid auto-didactism

>>1904867
You're a stupid fence sitter to abuse, I really fucking hate people like you.

>>1904885
Now now, let's not get mad

>>1904889
You want Reagan back? You got it.

>>1898535
It can't be spoken.

>>1898535
Albinos are subhuman. I also know the truth about history that the Albino controlled world keeps trying to cover up.

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>>1904906
retards, all of you

>>1904993
Go masturbate, there's nothing better in your life. Wake up, masturbate, wish you were someone, go to sleep. Go masturbate, and lie to me about the job you don't have. The education you don't want.

Happiness is overvalued and telling people that they need to feel it is dangerous.

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I believe that a transcendent monster created our universe to broadcast everything we do to its peers as a form of entertainment, but also as a joke to the real humanity(who are transhuman by "now") from whom we are merely a lower resolution simulation of its past.

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Assume:
>1) All that exist is governed by set of laws of nature.
>2) The supernatural act outside the law of nature

Therefore:

>The supernatural is outside of existence

Therefore:

>The supernatural does not exist!

Religious and spiritual fags on suicide watch when?

>>1899665
>There should be one world language, with all other languages being abolished except for the purposes of translation.

Typical monolingual pleb.

Each language spoken is a slightly different view on a concept, speaking more than one language make one a better thinker.

>>1898792
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>Techno singularity
>too stupid to realize that the law of physics impose hard limits on technology.

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>>1905146
No, happiness is a drug, those obsessed with happiness are junkies.

>>1898792
cyberpunk is happening right now

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>>1900416
Yes. Jesus was a jew. Jesus created Christianity. Christian monks and priests exist because of Christianity. These religious officials take vows of chastity. Chastily contributes to erectile dysfunction. Jews contributed to ED.

>>1898535
Elites and intellectuals are awesome. The proles are to blame for almost every problem we have today.

There's pretty much nothing wrong with social justice. It's mostly a pejorative used to dismiss liberal viewpoints offhandedly. Most MRAs are just right-wing meme goblins that assert any form of criticism is an advocacy of censorship, and in my personal experience tend to be morally bankrupt IRL, mocking the slightest reference to emotional or even physical pain.

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English needs to be controlled by a department of state autists who're employed to constantly improve the language. Contrary to George Orwell's opinions it's worked quite well for France and can conceivably empower humanity to new heights by making things not only clearer but also more poetic and descriptive. The reason Spanish countries have so many dictators and social problems, as well as are so prone to left wing movements, is because of the simplistic structure of the language. English has the power to be very analytical (and this is obvious in English philosophy), but it needs rigor.

>>1905662
I'm sorry but I've never heard a worse opinion in my life, the very reason poetry works in English is due to a lack of linguistic controls and a gigantic vocabulary

>>1899911
So you just wanted to shitpost

>>1905667
>*tips fedora*

>>1905665
But imagine tweaking the grammar of English just enough that set theory could be accurately described in the average conversation.

Imagine if instead of saying:
All the goldfish in that lake

You could just say:
all the fish in the lake- intersection- all the goldfish
and it would come out something like:
lake-fish-goldfish-uhg
as a single easy to grasp but infinitely malleable word-concept.
The possibilities are endless

>>1905680
No one would use it.

>>1899824

thats all mechanical peocese causing mechanical procese facilitating mechanical procese causing mechanical proceses...

>>1899824
These are all arbitrary criteria.

>>1905686

my keyboard is going to shit, this too is mechanical process

>>1900416
Modern society certainly did. The environment is full of estrogen (from birth control) and xenoestrogens (from plastics). These are pretty much unavoidable to consume as they find their way into the water supply and food products. Where the concentration is especially high you have whole ecosystems collapsing because there are no healthy male fish; males are impotent, intersexuality is commonplace and even females are less healthy due to unbalanced hormone levels. To a lesser degree, this chemical contamination is affecting every animal in the environment with a hormonal system, including humans.

I can't say I support the "Jews control everything" theory, but I do support the "a socially liberal and economically capitalist worldview controls everything" theory, and the combination of these two ideologies is to blame for most cases of erectile dysfunction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen

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>>1900003
>people like you walk on our streets

>>1900313
Why did you pick the two things that animals do in fact do? Mammals fuck all the time because it feels good. Loads engage in anal sex and no it's not because "durr anmals r dumb". And I'm guessing you're a virgin.
Predators hunt for sport. Dolphins play games. What are your hobbies? Shitposting? Being an autistic retarded? Animals got you beat son.

>>1898535
>Give me your most esoteric and controversial thoughts and opinions.

Human life isn't holy or sacred, and we should experiment on prisoners and mentally ill people, as well as those who willingly do it for money.
It will greatly advance medicine and science if we were allowed to try to grow babies, clone people, and experiment drugs on humans without needing several years of animal abuse first.

>>1900515
Why and how does the universe measure the value you bring to it? Oh wait, it doesn't. Universe doesn't give a shit about you. You're a temporary arrangement of atoms. You're a waste of subatomic particles that could be used to make an interesting nebula or something
Value in this instance is totally subjective. I don't give a fuck if you're some sperg that invents a perpetual motion device, maybe my friends and I like bongo music and spicy food more than inventions and would sooner save some 3rd world village than a university full of students

I think a great singularity would be the greatest thing to happen to humanity.

>>1898816
>t. moron

Europe will benefit greatly from the influx of migrants. In a region with a rising percentage of the population being retired, and generally lower rates of birth, free pop growth is pretty much the best thing that could happen. However, most countries don't have the infrastructure to support this, that's why increasing that instead of decreasing the amount of people coming should be the first priority of any state, if necessary to the exclusion of some other expenses, or a raise in taxes, for a time at least. The often cited cultural hiccups that relate to this are in my opinion surely worth it, and the people arriving so few compared to the existing population, that they'll decrease steadily over time and be negligible in two or three generations. And that's without the moral aspect which you must surely see if you ascribe to any of the major views on morality.

>>1906358
How do you fix an increasing amount of retirees by taking in people of whom many will never work in the first place? If anything, the mass immigration in Europe will worsen the problems that come with an aging population.

>>1905938
>What are your hobbies? Shitposting? Being an autistic retarded? Animals got you beat son.

The very fact that I can write in a language proves i'm superior to an animal.

Kill yourself you anarcho-primitist nigger

>>1898564
Join the imperial cult

>>1906358
>the people arriving so few compared to the existing population, that they'll decrease steadily over time and be negligible in two or three generations

Oh right, I forgot we're sterilising them.

>>1898816
So you want people to kill themselves?

i think many of our laws are too focused around morals as opposed to utilitarianism and logic.

i believe it's perfectly acceptable to be against immigration. within these systems of laws that have been erected in each country, nowhere does it say anyone gets to come in. we do so out of moral reasons. immigration is not a right, it's a privilege, to be revoked whenever the country wants.

>>1898535

Hitler din do nuthin.

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>>1898535
Manipulating electricity is sorcery, or at least one known aspect of sorcery.

That is how they called it in the ancient world, primitive electrical batteries have been discovered and dated to ancient periods, ancient people knew of electricity but had zero idea how it worked so they called it sorcery.

God forbids sorcery, the practicing of sorcery is a sin, this is made very clear in the Bible and we are all sinning right now and are damned for practicing sorcery. Electricity needs to be banned for the sake of our souls. Almost all of civilized mankind since the widespread harnessing of electricity has been damned to hell, for simple convenience we threw our souls away.

Yes I fucking seriously believe this. I am already planning to go completely off the grid in the near future, but it is exceedingly difficult when you have no non-electric societal support structure. Even the Amish use battery devices, they are damned too, yes the most "backwards" and primitive people we know of in modern society are too advanced. Mankind has utterly fallen out of grace, I suspect even the world wars, communism, all the horrors of modern technology are punishments for man practicing sorcery.

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>>1908037
Welp. I mean, this IS /his, can we at least get some sauce on those primitive ancient world batteries of yours? That actually sounds interesting.

Metaphysics is for psuedo intellectuals

Pleasure is not sustainable over a long period of time,which leads me to believe that we must replace it with onirical abstract pleasure (derived from ideals,long term goals and non material aspirations) or with masochism. I'd like to write an essay on the nature of masochism. We should be doing things we instinctively don't want to do or causes us pain in order to maintain certain level of endurance or improvement which allows us to survive and keep up with society so we don't feel overwhelmed and collapse. Some will argue that nor pleasure nor masochism is the answer,and that we should simply follow the "middle path",but such a task is so difficult that the other one is more viable.

>>1908303

trough life you learn you dont realy need pleasure all the time, and life generaly takes care of training your endurance weather you like it or not

realy the idea you should be enjoying yourself and always seek pleasure is childish, learning how to endure frustration and strain, functioning outside comfort zones, is just part of growing up

I fucking hate ,and I repeat the word fucking, not the fact that I am opressed,but that I'm being opressed by lesser beings. How can it be that 90 percent of the population must slave away their lives so an ignorant fat fuck can buy his yachts and his expensive wines and fuck his high end prostitutes? If it were let's say,a Great Gatsby kind of guy,or at least an evil mastermind like the cigarette smoking man,I wouldnt care,I would welcome it and admit a fair defeat. But this? To be played by far less capable people? It keeps me up at night,like a worm crawling inside my brain.

>>1898935
Ah yes my abusive schizophrenic uncle who sexually abused my aunts and physically abused my father and uncles before they beat the shit out of him when they got old enough and kicked him out of the house was just "bucking the system maaaan" and my depression, which has been kept in check by antidepressants are just the "System" brainwashing me. Jesus fucking christ you're mentally ill. It's this type of belief that keeps mental illness a stigma and prevents people from seeking help. Fuck you you entitled, arrogant cunt

>>1899743
Why not just make yourself important? Get involved in local politics, work your way up the ladder, become the elite.

singularity will happen within our lifetimes

>>1901940
>Western liberal democracy
>whether and how you can get married and divorced, property ownership hat goes with that, much related civil law, even whether you are required to serve in the military all depend on your religious heritage and "what" you are rather than your deserts and rights as an individual. Different laws for different portions of the population and state explicitly based on religious identity.

>>1907988
>thinking this opinion is controversial on an image board filled with autists

>>1898564
I used to have that thought process. It's retarded. Find a purpose in life.

>>1906569
Why? Because you define superiority by language usage? Your arguments are circular.

This thread is fucking comedy gold.

>>1908400
The singularity is always "soon" or "around the corner". I swear you fags lack such basic self-awareness that you can't even realize you're basically following a secular religion. Dualism is bullshit, consciousness is not some magic floaty soul that can be uploaded to cyberheaven. The brain is homologous and electrochemically analog compared to the highly modular and digital nature of computing. The dead stay dead forever, bro, and I think every man knows and fears this in his heart of hearts. Stop being a pussy about it.

>>1898535
Communism and Libertarianism are the same thing.

>>1909236
How dare you.

free college was a mistake

>>1909447
It's true tho.

>>1898535
t. riven main

I believe that all people have the right to revolt against their superiors, but in doing so deserve whatever those superiors decided when they lose

>>1898790
Turbo autism

>>1909111
le reddit meme hahah xD
edit: gold my friends thanks kind strangers !!! xD xD

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Antisemitism is as much a consequence of the antagonism of a small group of Israeli elites as it is of /pol/ type mouth breathers. This group stands to gain from the Jews and non-Jews being constantly at each others throats, and does dumb stuff like declare pepe the meme a hate symbol knowing full well that will bring a reaction from the right wing. Conservative Jews in general are a cancer on society, and shouldn't be given special treatment because their blatant tribalism has gotten them killed a couple times.

Years ago Stormfront dedicated themselves to shilling on /pol/ and is now responsible for the growth of racism across the internet and the way it's starting to spill offline. /Pol/ isn't the silent majority speaking, its a social experiment on right wing radicalization that was carried out by various neonazi groups. These groups should be banned

Italian Fascism was pretty cool, and even the most avant-garde philosophy is only now getting to the same level Italy was at 100 years ago. Furthermore, while a minor power on the world stage, Italy has consistently been the most elite and the cutting edge country in the world for art, literature, and philosophy for at least a hundred years.

A nation's character is mainly determined by it's language and grammar. Institutions should be established to further develop English as a language, and any country seeking greater independence or prestige should make language reformation its top priority.

Niggas need to stop complaining and come to terms with the fact that their entire race is shit. If you're consistently the underclass of every country on earth, don't have a single decent country to your credit, have no history or language to claim to, and have nothing to unify yourself under other than "we wuz slaves" you should find something more substantial to build your racial identity from.

History is a mythology best understood by how it relates to the present and future. It's not objective facts.

>>1910060
(cont).

Canada represents the future of statesmanship, where legitimacy is defined by legal tradition rather than supernatural will. As globalization increases all countries will become more like Canada in order to survive and justify their existence.

The possibility of death makes life more exciting, and inversely, the way many modern societies over-value life is having a negative effect on humans as a whole. Dying young from a bullet in the head, an industrial accident, or any other kind of malady brought about by progress should be embraced as a noble death, while people who die pissing themselves in a hospital bed at 85 shouldn't be seen as exemplary.Third world countries have a vibrancy to them that the 1st world doesn't because of the constant risk of death. The youtube of Venezuela is more exciting to watch than the youtube of Britain, for example.
Continuing along this train of thought, Brazil is going to be an economic, cultural, social, military, etc. powerhouse within the next 100 years, just as long as they can get their nigger problem sorted out.

We now have the infrastructure and technology for a single empire to accomplish world domination, and this will happen in some form or another within the next 500 years.

At several billion people are going to have to die within my generation thanks to war, global warming, and overpopulation. This wont make much difference in population density though, and humanity will show a net growth up until we completely wipe ourselves out.

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>>1910060
>declare pepe the meme a hate symbol knowing full well that will bring a reaction from the right wing

>>1899848
Chris is largely a product of shitty parenting. I've seen worse functioning autists succeed at life.

>>1899781
The USSR was conservative

>>1898535
Abortion is high utility murder, and therefore cool. The social push to try and make it seem like it isn't murder is just people suffering cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile that they support the murder of babies by dehumanising them.

>>1901552


Why do you think law is bad?

Robbespierre did literally nothing wrong. Neither did Saint-Just.

Neither fucking conservatives nor liberals support the Revolution nowadays, and it makes me want to kill them all. At least filthy commies supported the greatest development in the history of Western civilization. Fuck all revisionists.

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Sunlight is converted into energy through the proces of Photosynthesis. These plants are eaten by animals and/or insects. These creatures are eventually eaten by a higher up predator. Each time when the higher step is passed, the amount of energy begotten from the sun, is concentrated into the smaller step above it.
In essence, we can see the food chain as the refining of sunlight.
Humans, as the creature at the top, are also the creature closest to the sun, in that they are running on the most amount of concentrated sunlight in the world.

The eating of flesh is thus, not only a way to feed. But also a ritual of human, and in proxy, divine mandate on this world.
This also makes vegetarians and vegans heretics.

margarine is just as good as butter

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Depression isn't a disease or disorder. It's the result of social ineptitude. Anytime someone ever said about how they "cured" their depression, they always say something like "I confided in my best friend or relative" and "I started to talk to people more and be honest with myself and others", that depression was caused by incongruence of the person on the inside to the person on the outside as seen by others. As such, it explains why Transgendered people are statistically more depressed, even after sexual reassignment surgery; nothing doesn't personally or physically will change the way someone sees you; and if they don't see the real you, then you become depressed and withdrawn.

Clinical depression is an imbalance of chemicals which, even if you socially conform on all levels, the chemical standards in your brain are much higher, thus making you prone to depression easier.

Nobody in this entire world understands honour anymore. it's not respect, it's not "Doing the right thing"; it goes beyond, but people don't understand, because the precedence of the rule of law is overwhelming their sense of loyalty and honour. Honour stems from 2 things; fellowship and role. The first form of honour is a man's role to be the protector and husband to the mother who exists to feed the father and the children; the children likewise grow to become workers who serve the father until they take his place as protector. The honour of the husband is his role; and when law steps in and forces the father to obey his role, he doesn't obey the role for the sake of the family, but for fear of lawful punishment; law thus distorts honour. Depression is therefore a natural adaptation that literally kills the dishonourable, social outcasts, etc.

Cont'd

>>1911733
Law is a crutch for a broken society. It glues society together unnaturally, forcing people to stick together in a multiethnic, multiracial, and multireligious society. Morality itself is a form of communication, like language or territory. And as the society's foundations crack under the weight of racial or ethnic division, morals between the division become looser and looser, decaying, even as the law tries to hold everything together. The law eventually snaps at the breaking point, and the house becomes divided. A house of people naturally reconstitutes, as morality becomes stronger within the house, just as the language becomes more understood, and the respect for territory becomes more respected. Moral reconstitution thus requires a fellowship (a union of similar people), as dissimilarity breeds division; and it requires loyalty and honour, that the law need not take the place of a person's role neither should the law supercede any human role.

>>1898535
Whores and sluts deserve love and attention as much as good girls do

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I want to live in a distributed, cooperative, small scale, locally autonomous society organized in intentional communities or technologized «kvutzot» without any kind of hierarchy or coercion; communities with an organic organizational structure where everyone can get together and make things better by working together.

>>1912548
That's not an opinion anon

>>1912588
Well, I think that the kvutza model it's the best way to live and organize society. Some kind of energy-eficient and labor-intensive communal lands with communal ownership of industrial and commercial enterprise.

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>>1912548
>>1912621
lol I think you missed the point of this thread.

philosophy is useless.

>>1907988
a set of laws based on utilitarianism would be moral in nature because utilitarianism is a moral theory