why does israel exist?

>>1896923
Because every nation has the right to self-determination. This includes the ones that you don't personally like.

because nobody wants jews on their clay so they just decided to dump them to same hole with other sand people.

>>1896926
>Because every nation has the right to self-determination.
*except white countries those are for everyone and they simply must accept multiculturalism

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>>1896926
what does that have to do with my question

>>1896931
Nah, they have a right to exist too. You won't find many Israelis that disagree with that. Hell, most of them are anti-refugee, simply because most Islamic refugees have been taught since birth to hate Jews.

>>1896934
Jews are a nation. They have the right to self-determination. That's why modern Israel was founded. It's a pretty simple concept.

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>>1896941
is that why more jews live outside of israel than in israel?

>>1896944
There are more Irish people living outside of Ireland than in Ireland. There are more Lebanese people living outside of Lebanon than in Lebanon. That doesn't magically invalidate the existence of the Irish and Lebanese nations.

>>1896923
Because Zionism and geopolitics and economic interests.

If the US stopped giving Israel or its neighbors any kind of aid then it would vanish off the face of the Earth in like half a decade.

because jews resorted to terrorist attacks, bombings, and assassinations until the US and UK recognized them as a state and stopped blocking their ships from settling.

>>1896948
Funny, in 1948 they were just a bunch of Holocaust survivors with WW2 surplus rifles and they still managed to beat every single nation surrounding them.

>>1896923

In the face of the climax of anti-Semitism and the realization that assimilation would never be feasible, the Jewish people embarked on a daring course to refound their lost nation and create a country where they wouldn't be second-class citizens, let alone victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Fighting a series of wars, they triumphed and established themselves successfully. Despite being embattled by false Palestinian nationalists and western political idiocy, they have persevered and remain a bastion of Jewish sovereignty and safety in a world of dipshits who resent their existence.

>>1896947
but none of those countries were created for the safety of those ethnic people

>>1896957
You missed the part of my post where I said the US would not give them any kind of aid. Maybe I should include all of Europe in that too.

>>1896960
You could argue that modern Ireland was created in order to safeguard the Irish people from English oppression, and that modern Lebanon was created by France to ensure the safety of its then-majority Christian population. Again, this doesn't magically invalidate the existence of those countries.

>>1896963
In 1948 they didn't have any foreign aid, because the country had only existed for one day.

>>1896968
Israel was only created because of foreign aid, silly. In any case, there's a difference between then and now. When a foreign power has to bribe everyone around you and heavily stack in the deck in your favor, there's a problem. I don't think Israel shouldn't exist, there's no going back now, but the situation we have now is not sustainable.

>>1896964
>and that modern Lebanon was created by France to ensure the safety of its then-majority Christian population
hah
take a look how that turned out

>>1896976
I never said that the French were successful.

>>1896923
To trigger stormcucks, that's why.

>>1896957
>Funny, in 1948 they were just a bunch of Holocaust survivors with WW2 surplus rifles and they still managed to beat every single nation surrounding them.
And CAS from RAF and USAF, if you ask the dindu arabs.

>>1896964
My morian!

>>1896980
lets just hope israel wont get flooded by muslims

>>1896958
>US puppet state set up as a strategic ground zero for Western influence in the Middle East(basically white people playing their genetics for personal gain not unlike the "native" 1/16th Indian casino owners in the US)
>massive US aid allows them to steamroll shitty outdated Arab armies
>begin unapologetically annexing the local populations despite criticism even from other jews, create a class system of first class jews and second class gentiles.

Nice 21st century Kingdom of Jerusalem you've got there.

>>1896974
Most Arab countries have just given up on trying to destroy Israel directly at this point. At this point, the US only supports them because if they don't, someone else will. Having a reliable ally in the Middle East is just too valuable to pass up. Even if we assume that literally every other country on Earth turns their back on Israel, they'd still be able to win a 1967-style war because they've managed to put natural barriers between 3 out of 4 of their enemies (they could've kept the Suez as a barrier against Egypt, but they realized that forcing Egypt to rely on US support as well was a much wiser idea).

>>1896985
20% of Israel's population is Muslim. That's twice as much as France or Sweden. They seem to be doing just fine regardless.

>>1896995
>20% of Israel's population is Muslim
take a look at their birthrates

:^)

>>1896923

To spite stormfags

>>1896991
The Kingdom of Jerusalem hung on for a good 200 years, and probably would've lasted longer if the Byzantines didn't get fucked.
As for "unapologetically taking land" - Israel literally begged Jordan not to get involved in the 6-day war, and gave up the entirety of the Sinai Peninsula in exchange for assurances of peace. They're more interested in securing their borders than outright expansionism. The current system is only in place because the world doesn't understand what happens when Israel annexes a territory - they give permanent residency to everyone living there and allow them to become citizens whenever they please, and the "apartheid" system is replaced with the same system that exists in Israel proper. You know, the one that's had Arab Supreme Court judges. If you don't believe me, ask someone living in the Golan Heights or East Jerusalem.

>>1896998
take a look at Hasidic birthrates :^)

>>1897010
>you will live to see israel split 50/50 with arabs and jews
apex kek

>>1896960

what difference does it make, considering anon's original postulation?

>>1896958

beautifully worded my friend

>>1896957
the core of the israeli forces in 1948 were elements of the former underground paramilitaries, not just random holocaust survivors

>>1897009
nah, he'd rather be butthurt
every word of that greentext is born of a core belief that fighting israel means fighting chad from high school.

>BAWWWWW 1/16 native americans!
>BAWWWWW not a fair fight!
>BAWWWWW unapologetic BAWWWW gentiles!

rational people don't form arguments like this

people who argue about israel on 4chan couldn't want less to do with actual rule of law or discussion of politics

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>>1896937
>Hell, most of them are anti-refugee

Kek

>>1896931
>Home of warmongers and conquers
>expect to be left alone
reap what you sow, bitch
pay for your father's sin

>>1896923
To prevent race-mixing of the Jewish people so they are preserved while providing a safe haven for when their actions in their host countries backfire or become too volatile for the indigenous populace.

>>1897100
>all jews are israelis

there's a big difference between lefty hollywood cock-sucking american jews and israeli jews

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>>1897103
>his father never sinned

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>>1897106

No there isn't. Shit most diaspora jews can get an israeli citizenship if they want.

>>1897106
Sure, thousands of miles.

>>1897009
>>1897090 (You)

also, take note of the way he completely ignored the motivations behind the quoted post and injected an ideal he was triggered by but was never relevant

>post explains why and how jews managed to build a country, for the sake of self preservation despite multiple chimpouts by surrounding nations

this bitch nigger basically replies
>MUH HONOR
>MUH FAIRNESS
>STINKY LAME KINGDOM

>>1897075
>what difference does it make, considering anon's original postulation?
my point is, why bother moving to other countries over hundreds of years and not bothering to integrate, manipulating the economy and creating destructive ideologies, having your own nation created for you, then not bothering to move there and still crying muh discrimination despite what i said above

>>1897009
>ask someone living in the Golan Heights

You mean the Syrians living in the Syrian Golan Heights?

>>1896926
I don't think Israelites have more right to self-determination than Palestinians.