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Why did Hitler call it operation barbarossa (named after Frederick Barbarossa, a crusader) implying a modern crusade against bolsheviks, when he wasn't even christian himself? Lots of top nazist wherent christian.

Did regular soldiers really believe they were preserving western christian values?

Was it just a trick to use religion?
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>>1885067
More so a trick using German nationalism

Ended up failing harder than Barbarossa himself :^)
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>>1885077
:^)
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>>1885067

The Nazis were obsessed with the crusades, surprisingly.

That's why you have a lot of alt-right wing LARPERS calling for "crusades now" etc
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>>1885216
Crusaders were gud bois dindu nuffin
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Hitler was Christian. He said it himself.
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>>1885067
It's because there's an old german folktale about the "king under the mountain" that will come back to protect Germany in its time of need. That king is generally said to be Barbarossa.
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>>1885067

Firstly, Hitler /was/ Christian, he never renounced his Catholicism and the Pope gave a euology on his birthdays. Secondly, Barbarossa isn't chiefly remembered as a crusader but as an empire builder, and inside Germany he has the character of a national symbol, like King Arthur for Britain (just like Arthur, Barbarossa was believed to be "sleeping" and would return when Germany was in peril).
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>>1885225
I see that, just alot of what he said in private (hitler's table talk). Within the transcripts, Hitler speaks of Christianity as "absurdity" and "humbug" founded on "lies" with which he could "never come personally to terms.

And according to the Goebbels Diaries, Hitler hated Christianity
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>>1885251
You're correct

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to
bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world en-
lightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of
love. Its key-note is intolerance."
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>>1885243
i see, interesting
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>>1885233
>an old german folktale about the "king under the mountain"

And a slovene one and a czech one and we all ripped it off of hungarians.
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>>1885067
Who cares? This is a pointless inquiry.
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>>1885258

>Hitler

>complaining about intolerance
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>>1885251
Careful. Some of the material in "Hitler's Table Talks" might be fabricated, and anything in Goebbels' diaries have been filtered through Goebbels, who was definitely openly hostile to the church.

That said, despite some attempts at syncretism, National Socialism and Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, are fundamentally incompatible. The NSDAP persecuted Christians of various denominations, and would have likely attempted to wipe out the church apparatus if not the religion altogether if they had won the war. The developments in neo-Nazism I believe carry forward this trendline of increasing anti-Christian sentiment.

I'd say that it's possible that Hitler was either a Christian or an anti-Christian, but either way his movement was set on a collision course with Christianity.
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>>1885216
i find the image of said larpers in there renaissance fair crusader armor getting mowed down by the IDF highly amusing
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>>1885521
I know. That's why I said it was a stupid question
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>>1886923
Well said
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