What was the closest America ever came to having a communist

>implying we're not a Marxist Leninist Trotskyist alinskyist communist socialist state right now
/Breitbart reader

>>1869528
Wilson
Roosevelt
Carter
Obama

>>1869534
I wish

>>1869528
The depression. After that the US was too scared of commies to even allow people to actually form groups bigger and Han a bunch of edgy shitheads.

Was Kingfish a fascist or a gommie dictator in the making

>>1869528
We're already led by crypto-commies..

>>1869538
>Carter
>Obama

ha you wish
if health care made you communist then Marx would be the MVP of most 1st world countries

the answer is FDR and LBJ all other answers are just people trying to not put the country into a new Gilded Age

>>1869528
Jamestown 1607. Tried socialism, everyone almost starved.

Gave private ownership of land, bountiful crops. First Thanksgiving.

Indians were invited. Had nothing to thank them for. They were thanking God for showing them how murderously evil socialism is.

FDR had communists in his administration, at least until the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact

>>1869538
>Obama

lol

>>1869547
He was the American Evo Morales, a very well intentioned social democrat with communist sympathies who suffered from an addiction to power

>>1869717
Terrible post.

Jamestown settlers starved because they thought they were a resource colony and spent the whole time playing Pizarro looking for gold. Blind purest of profit was their sin.

The First Thanksgiving was in Plymouth, decades later.

>>1869720
Interesting. Source?

>>1869528
>dutch banner on the wheat stalks
I don't know what it's doing there but I like it

>>1869528
Why do commie emblems usually include wheat wreaths?

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>>1870252
In Soviet heraldry, supporting wreaths composed of the country/SSR richest crop was common to symbolize prosperity.
Pic related, the Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic used a cotton and wheat wreath, 2 of the country's biggest exports even today.

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>>1871699
Plus it's important to note, it's not always wheat. Here, in the Estonian SSR, rye was used since it was a staple crop, moreso than wheat.
I have no idea if they had a logging industry or if it's a national emblem of some sort (those were also used).

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>>1871743
Here as an example the SR Slovenian emblem. It has the usual weath wreath representing muh farmers, muh proletariat, but it also includes linden leaves an old symbol of Slovenia.

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>>1869777
This is right.

Also, along with digging random holes for gold, they dug up and ate the rotting corpses of natives.

>>1869717
>Confusing Jamestown with the Pilgrims

Bro do you even third grade history?

>>1871854
have you thought that this guy isn't from the us and so didn't learn that in 3rd grade?
But that fact, if it's one, would only make you ignorant but he'll be still stupid

>>1871769
>>1871743
>>1871699
Honestly Commies are up there with Nazi Germany for top-tier aesthetics

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>>1869528
Ironically right now.

>>1869720
Alger Hiss is a well-known example. Henry Wallace, FDR's VP during his third term, was basically a communist

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>>1874286
Absolutely

>>1874289
How so?

>>1874497
>the worker's hat

nice fucking touch

>>1874644
Lenin worse that hat pretty much always

FDR

LBJ a close second

>>1877573
>people unironically believe this
You're clearly trolling.

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>>1869534

>implying not Trotskyist

Neo-conservatism is commercialized Trotskyism. The ideology was founded by Trotskyists.

Our government has largely been ruled by neo-conservative ideology for 30 years.

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>>1869528
>What was the closest America ever came to having a communist government?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1912

Eugene Debs got 6% of the vote of the Presidential vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_America

The Socialist Party of America was a multi-tendency democratic-socialist and social-democratic political party in the United States, formed in 1901 by a merger between the three-year-old Social Democratic Party of America and disaffected elements of the Socialist Labor Party which had split from the main organization in 1899.

In the first decades of the 20th century, it drew significant support from many different groups, including trade unionists, progressive social reformers, populist farmers, and immigrants. However it refused to form coalitions with other parties, or even to allow its members to vote for other parties. Eugene V. Debs twice won over 900,000 votes in presidential elections (1912 and 1920), while the party also elected two United States Representatives (Victor L. Berger and Meyer London), dozens of state legislators, more than a hundred mayors, and countless lesser officials

You don't get, do you. Commies dismiss any interaction with parliamentary institutions and didn't pursue to influence any "left" parties. Social democrats is no less problematic than right wing parties as they don't help the communist cause but only delay the inevitable crisis of the capitalism. The only solution is complete overthrown of the government.

>>1877710
this post coming to you from the strange and intriguing alternate universe that is /leftypol/

>>1877637
Finally someone else understands. President Reagan came straight out of Hollywood, a hotbed of the globalist left since the beginning of the 20th century. Who would expect anything else?Everyone knows the recurring meme about how the US invades "dictatorships" and institutes "democracy". However, what people don't consider is that it's only ever Stalinist regimes being targeted. Vietnam, Iraq, Allende's Chile, and now Syria are examples. Meanwhile, countries which function very similarly to actual dictatorships like France, Turkey, and the Gulf States are left alone simply because their elites hold some form of a globalist leftist worldview.

>>1877771
>France
>dictatorship
Explain to a burger who isn't versed in geopolitics pls

>>1877771

This is uncanny valley material right here.

Ultimately I'm going to conclude that it's bait.

It seems to be a bizarre mish-mash of actual Stalinist talking points and /pol/

But then again, I've encountered actual Stalinists whose views could be characterized the same way.

>>1877587
Both played large roles in centralizing industry in the hands of the state, introducing heavy progressive taxes... Obviously neither were really communistic but theor administrations were the closest we've had to communism.

>>1877710
except before 1917 when all of them did
all of them.

>>1877710
in the USA maybe, in the rest of the world communist parties join leftist coalitions and parlamentary alliances

>>1869763
He was right in every regard, he was killed by the same people whose power he threatened, which is obvious because of his alliance with Charles Coughlin.
Kennedy was killed by the same group of people for different reasons.
Also he stated often he was not a socialist and explained why.
>>1869720
This, it is a very little known fact.

>>1877746
Brocialism is a tangle of contradictions by poor white kids who can't see the logical connection between their relatively impoverished state and a society that's also racist and sexist, so they selectively buy into the right wing persecution complex and associated conspiracy theories about social justice.

>>1877828
Nah, nah nah. When the "republican" revolution in Russia had happened the hardcore marxists went into exile with an idea to prepare an assault on the government when the hour comes. Which they did indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Provisional_Government

Before that they just killed officials and robbed banks, their party was banned in the country.

>>1877842
none of them is linked with the Soviet Union and could not hope to implement their ideas to life

besides it's in one or another way revision of the original marxism, it's impossible to beard in mind "The Communist Manifesto" and do what they do

If FDR had died during his 3rd term as president, then George Wallace would've appointed 2 KGB agents to his Secretary of State and Secretary of Treasury.

I imagine that's pretty fucking close

I remember reading about it in the Mitrovkhin Archives.

>>1877906
Laurence Duggan and Frank White

>>1877907

>Duggan fell to his death from the window of his office in New York, ten days after being questioned by the Federal Bureau of Investigation about whether he had had contacts with Soviet intelligence.

hmmm...

>>1877894
dude google National Fronts policy and read Lenin´s What is to be done, then prepare for gulag

>>1877919
Well it's 100% confirmed he was a pre-war KGB agent codenamed (FRANK)

So that's hilarious


Also the FBI was given a statement about how badly the US government was infiltrated during that time period and it took them years (and most J Edgar) to actually start looking into it.

>>1877654
oh wow an actual goodpost

>>1877821
France has a multi-round voting system designed to make it as difficult as possible to dislodge an incumbent party. Furthermore, the President holds powers disproportionate to that of other heads of state in the west and the legislative branch has little ability to hold him to account. One recent example is the administration's continual extension of the state of emergency declared after the November 2015 attacks to arbitrary dates in the future.

Public trust in government is chronically low, often in the single digits. Finally, France has substantial difficulties guaranteeing basic civil rights, with everything from free speech to free assembly to freedom of the press coming under increasing attack in recent years.

>>1877979
Huh. And to think I was planning on joining the foreign legion.
Thanks anon.

>>1869528
Our current administration, plus the next one. Maybe.

>>1877927
Why do people make out J Edgar to be a bad guy again?

>>1877993
He pisses off leftists.

>>1869538

>>1869528
That is a based flag

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>>1877990
>Obama and Hillary are Communists
Having lived in the USSR for most of my life before moving to the US post-collapse, I find that hilarious.

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>>1878156
You must admit they've made great strides towards liberating the proletariat from being able to control their medical provider/who controls the Internet/whether or not you can defend yourself in your own home/the nature of nuclear marriage/whether or not men in dresses get to piss next to little girls.

If, after all that practice, you can't recognize totalitarians bludgeoning whole populations into compliance with ideological absurdities, you dumb fucking shithead, then I pity you. Me? I'm buying more ammo.

>>1878166
who the fuck is this dumbass?

>>1878166
>You must admit they've made great strides towards liberating the proletariat from...the nature of nuclear marriage/whether or not men in dresses get to piss next to little girls.
Mkay then

>If, after all that practice, you can't recognize totalitarians bludgeoning whole populations into compliance with ideological absurdities,
>Obama and Hillary
>Totalitarians

>you dumb fucking shithead,
I lived under Stalin fuckboi, you can kindly fuck off with all this shit.

>>1878185

When did Stalin die?

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>>1878185
I find that highly unlikely. That would put you in your 70's even if you were a babby when he kicked the bucket. Also, your syntax and grammar peg you as a native English speaker.

Troll harder.

>>1878166
>Implying things can be searched
>Implying I remember the exact date of something that happened when I was young and that happened 60-odd years ago
I do however remember coming home early, crying about it to my mother, and then hearing her just say "Good".

>>1878205
79 to be precise, it's not like old people don't exist after all. And my English is the way it is because my parents insisted I learn to read and write it, and then I was taught it further while in the military because I was already decent at it. The fuckboi and such though is just years of downtime spent online and on 4chan.

Regardless, over 20 years in the US has the tendency to help one's English.

>Troll harder.
Judging by your earlier post, I'd say that's your job.

>>1878248
I still don't buy it. Your grammar and syntax is all off.

shit thread

>>1878248
take a pic of your old ass face with a timestamp

>>1869528
I'd have to say under FDR because he employed several Communist sympathizers in his cabinet. Now I would say that America is pretty socialist at the moment.

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>>1878179
*Sigh*

I know him from k, and on behalf of k, I apologize. He's basically a retardedly/excessively conservative moralfag who constantly complains about gay people, "liberal fascism", and some other things (including Obama as you can see above). Most of the time he posts there, someone tells him to fuck off, and someone usually posts pic related as well just because it's funny to see him get so mad.

I guess we've managed to run him off now and he's trying to find a new board or something. For that I am sorry, because he's absolutely the worst kind of faggot and now /his/ will have to deal with him too.

Closest was probably the more fascist New Deal policies of Roosevelt.

>>1869528

Argentina was soviet aligned in the cold war. White communist government in america

>>1869528
Has the means of production ever been seized in Murica? NO THEREFORE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "SOCIALISM IN AMERICA" IF THE MEANS OF FUCKING PRODUCTION WERE NEVER FUCKING SEIZED GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF RETARDED AUTISTS WHO SHOULD BE FUCKING STARVED TO DEATH IN GULAGS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1869717
t. retard

>ctrl-f sanders
>0 results
you disappoint me, /pol/

>>1879515
oh, it's cause i'm actually in /his/.
still.

>>1879487
>Has the means of production ever been seized in Murica?
seized by whom? a state? That ain't socialism in my book.

>>1869547

I tend to go with Fash, if only because he teamed up with Father Coughlin and because of Kaiserreich :P

>>1878360
We're as far from socialism as we've ever been. Socialism is collecting worker ownership of industry.

>>1869717
>Jamestown starved cus Socialism

>Shit location
>Forgetting the long winters
>Forgetting Malaria
>Forgetting food wasn't even their number one priority, they wanted Gold and Silver success like the Spanish.

If anything, tenets of Socialism saved the colony.

>>1869717
>>1869777
>>1879507
>>1881240
Jonestown. Tried communism, everyone died.

>>1881269
>Jonestown
Is this b8

>lets move to a Commune in the middle of Guyana where a deranged sucidal hippie has power, nothing bad will happen.

>>1880120
>Socialism is collecting worker ownership of industry.
That's the theory. The invariable fact is good old-fashioned totalitarianism.

>>1877907
Would that have led to world communism and ended the Cold War?

>>1878016
She's one of the most bourgeois candidates we've ever had

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>1869547
not a fascist, and the man believed in free enterprise so calling him a communist is misleading at best.

The state wouldn't own the means of production, just take "excess" from those who made "more than they can ever spend".

Kingfish is hard to label. Like the other anon said, social democract is a good start, but you can't forget his authorian streak.

Social Paternalist?

>>1881320
Point of order.

Having unions that control the labor pool of an entire industry actually works pretty well.

>>1882162
Has this happened?

>>1878166
>being able to control their medical provider
don't care honestly
>who controls the Internet
the Internet is not American and cannot truly be controlled
>whether or not you can defend yourself in your own home
please cite laws, passed or voted on or introduced by a legislator, that would take away this right
>the nature of nuclear marriage
nuclear families are best? many of my European ancestors would beg to differ
>whether or not men in dresses get to piss next to little girls
what are you implying? are you saying they're going to rape them? what the fuck kind of misandrist SJW dickhead are you that you think men are all rape machines?

>>1878337
I believe you, but I'd like this too. I want to know there are actual old fags browsing this site.

1919 or the Depression

>>1882155
Power hungry Demagogue.

>>1877654
Someone's been reading a bit too much Jack London.

I wish the Haymarket's shit got real.

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>>1877654

He only got the jew vote. Socialism was never appealing to the founding stock of America only imported non White immigrants like jews and a few Italians Greeks etc.

Most of the commie agitation ended with the introduction of the 1924 Immigration Act

>>1878016
Quite the opposite

>>1883530
Based Jews

>>1883530
you know the oldest synagogue in America is older than America, right?

>>1882155

Enlightend Despot