The Past is Racist and Sexist

You laugh in their face. That's it. Can't argue against stupid.

This is what a whole generation is being raised to believe. I had a class where the teacher was talking about the origin of medicine. Numerous students were visibly upset that the topic surrounded only men despite the fact that their contributions indirectly helped THEIR lives. How can you even be so dumb to dismiss men that gave their whole lives so that one day a dumb whore like you can reap the benefits?

>>1869277
Where were they taught to think like this?

>>1869277
>>1869265
This almost inspires me to become a history teacher so that I can prevent people like this from coming out of our school systems.

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>>1869250

But she's right. Everyone, including you it seems, judges history from mostly a military and economic point of view. But morally, I wouldn't want to live in those times. You have to take everything into account, not just the tanks and cool airplanes.

You seem to be mixing up judging the past and being aware of it.

>>1869280
At that same university.

>>1869283
Do it, that's what I'm going to school for.

Gonna teach high school while getting my degree to hopefully teach at a college level.

They can't shut you up if all you teach are objective facts about the past. Like the fact that most of the inventors of modern medicine were men.

>>1869250
You could tell that the effort to reduce racism and sexism could happen because of those prosperity.

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>>1869250
>you can't just ignore objective economic prosperity, right

You actually can. The 50's would be a great time to be alive if you were a straight white guy. For everyone else it pretty much sucked. Hell, even you would live in constant paranoia about communist infiltrators, build a bomb shelter out of fear of nuclear armageddon, and get drafted to get shot by the Chinese on some hill in Korea. The 50's fucking blew in every aspect except the economy, it's only idealized by people who are either ignorant of history or are white dudes who don't have any compassion for the suffering of others.

>>1869292

As if we are living in an era with super great morality. We are living in a super hedonistic era.

>>1869277
I teach freshman at a high school and a lot of them seem to be getting tired of PC culture and SJW stuff. They're not full on /pol/ but they're tired of it nonetheless.

>>1869331
Women actually were happier in that era.

>>1869339

There is nothing inherently immoral with hedonism.

>>1869350
Epicurean hedonism, maybe so.

Frat boy style hedonism (the one that dominates this era) on the other hand is awful.

>>1869359

If it does not hurt anyone else, there is nothing inherently wrong with it.

>>1869331
>it's a the '50s were actually a dystopian nightmare episode

>say "man that period after the war would've been a great time to live with the economic prosperity and all!"
Stupid Americans. Half of the world was under the most brutal version of communist regime.

>>1869380
>implying 1950s era Soviet Union wasn't comfy as fuck

>>1869386
It wasn't, you dumb fool. Stalin died in 1953. And in most countries destalinization started in 1956.

>>1869292

>implying post ww2 America hadn't its biggest golden age between 45-69

>>1869404
What's wrong with the 70s?

Europe was a pretty shitty place to live in the 50's

>Tfw you will never grow up in 1950's Rhodesia or South Africa

Just tell that bitch that words like racist and sexist are ignorant as fuck and overused by idiots who can't form a proper counter argument. I want to shit on any University student for destroying the meaning of those words into something casual and ever-present.

>>1869364
>If it does not hurt anyone else, there is nothing inherently wrong with it.

Ethics is a guide of life, it doesn't deal only with "not harming others". Smoking crack does not hurt others directly. It still is not a good idea to smoke crack. If an ethics system says that "there is nothing wrong with smoking crack", this ethics system is useless.
Hedonism (in the frat boy sense) hurts the hedonist themselves and at the same time makes them worse people.

And even from the point of "harming others" when people become worse, it harms society. See single mothers.

>>1869408
Vietnam.

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>>1869344
>Women actually were happier in that era.

What did he mean by this?

>>1869292
>who cares about technological advancements, strides in medicines, great conquests, world-altering documents, and marvels in art and architecture? After all, women couldn't vote!!!!!

Go play in traffic.

>>1869408

Hippy movement, rise of modern feminism -> destruction of the nuclear family, rise of hard drugs and the horrifically failed war on drugs

>>1869408
Stagflation.

>>1869426
That feminism was a mistake.

>>1869426
That a majority of women are being forced into positions they're not comfortable with due to peer pressure originating from a minority of women who themselves are in it due to a bitter grudge towards the other sex.

Women today are miserable. They're expected to work long hours they're not fit for. They're expected to get drunk, to fuck, to sodomize, to act, to be strong, to be manly, to be ever ambitious.

And when women fail at these, the whiny minority of women will go back to blaming it on men culture further pushing the majority women onwards to their inevitable misery.

>>1869250
You are obviously a young guy so you don't even know if the 50s were that great. She is right.

>>1869331
im asian and 50s is pretty fine
many people have nostalgia of that era too here

>>1869421

many, many view ignorance, such as displayed by you, to be a much more dangerous character flaw than hedonism.

>>1869482
>a young guy doesn't know what the 50s were like because he wasn't there but a young woman definitely does
?????

>>1869364
Unfortunately, this great code of conduct doesnt definine our current society's morals

Consensual protected incest between adults (hurts no one) is more frowned upon than adultery (hurts someone) and abortion (kills someone).
Just one exemple among many btw

>>1869364
Yah, I mean, why don't we all just be frat boys. Who fucking needs anything else

>>1869331
>The 50's fucking blew in every aspect except the economy
meme

>>1869250
>objective economic prosperity
The question is for who. Consider this: "man, that period after the Arab Conquests would've been a great time to live with the economic prosperity and all!"

Now, assuming you're not already a Muslim and would have issues converting at all, do you still feel the same way? Your acquaintance was just pointing out that what's implicit in your statement is that the period after the war would've been a great time to live (for you). Even then, all you're doing is arbitrarily deciding that you, for whatever reason, would have been a part of this prosperity even though that's no guarantee. Instead of imagining yourself in a cozy house with a white picket fence, a nice car, and a stepford wife, try and imagine yourself looking at all of this through the open window of your shanty home a few blocks away.

>>1869428
>who cares about technological advancements, strides in medicines, great conquests, world-altering documents, and marvels in art and architecture? After all, women couldn't vote!

We have all of these things today, on top of women's suffrage.

>>1869751
What was the demographic of America in the 50's?

>>1869577
>I dont have an argument or any thought out concept of ethics, so I'll just call him stupid

Not even the anon you're responding to, but you sound like an ass

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>>1869339
Amen.

>All of history before now was wrong because MUH RACISM and MUH SEXISM

>Therefore we must not learn anything from it so we can repeat all the same fucking mistakes

Fucking completely terrifying.

>>1869847

Your limited reading comprehension does not really convince anyone except for the fact that you're an under age edgelord who talks about "ethics" as a naive stormfag would.

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>>1869754
>We have all of these things today,
We have incremental advancements in how many transistors you can put on a silicon plate. We have the highest rate of STDs in recorded history. We have Infinite Jest. We have the Pompidou. We have nothing.

>>1869331
>implying there was not a boom in black commercial districts from returning soldiers
>implying it was not a prime balance of labor-saving devices and stable marriages for women
>implying there was not a massive network of ex-sailors having endless sodomy parties with no AIDS or moralizing

>>1869751
>Instead of imagining yourself in a cozy house with a white picket fence, a nice car, and a stepford wife, try and imagine yourself looking at all of this through the open window of your shanty home a few blocks away.
Try and imagine being able to take a bus from your shanty home, get a job in a factory, save up enough to buy a car and start a business, and have that white picket fence yourself inside five years. That's what we're nostalgic for.

>>1870172
>naive about ethics
>if it doesn't cause anyone physical pain it's OK
sure thing skippy

>>1870200

Your limited reading comprehension strikes again.

>>1869364
Racism and sexism don't hurt anyone as such.
>inb4 hurt feelings
They may be motivations for a crime but it is wholly different from the crime itself.

Hence, per your post, there is nothing wrong with racism and sexism.

>>1869408
In America it sucked big time.
Highest crime rates in history of the country, mass spread of atrocious drugs (most were synthesized earlier but were anecdotal before late 60s), stagflation, socialists actually gaining ground in the world, ...

>>1870302

There is nothing inherently wrong with it but you cannot say that there are no victims caused from sexism or racism in the grander scheme of things.

>>1869250
You're thinking along the lines of reason and logic. Most people now think only along buzzwords and emotion. You can't win an argument with them if they're incapable of thinking along the same lines as you.

>>1870330
I never said that.

And if mere motivation is enough to call someone a "victim" of something (you can readily see the difference of meaning between "victim of [motivation]" and "victim of robbery, rape, ..."), then every opinion has made victims, and every opinion with many followers has made many victims.

As long as the motivation is incidental (not directly involved in the opinion in a "kill the kuffar" way) this is a not a serious argument.

>>1869250
Tell her that people should stop thinking in populations as absolutes.

For Jim the owner of a car dealership, for whom business is booming, he has a stable family, and owns a home, it's great.

For Steve, who died in the Korean War, and never went back to his wife, it's not so great.

For Xing, the tenant farmer in Sichuan who enlisted in the Red Army and can now give himself a good life, the 50s are great.

For Jun, the landowner who was dispossessed of the land his family have owned for centuries, and is starving in a hovel due to collectivized farming, it's terrible.

You could go on like this for hours. The point is that, like all events and time periods, it was a great time FOR SOME PEOPLE, a terrible time FOR SOME OTHER PEOPLE, and somewhere in between FOR MOST PEOPLE.

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>>1870377

I disagree, since cumulative amount of victims can be bad for society. Racism itself isn't inherently bad, but the effects of it are. Creating a lower class of people injects society with an element of unrest which makes it less stable. That's the short version.

So racism, in the long run, is extremely destructive for a society and is furthermore often associated with a lack of intelligence and empathy. Two character flaws which most would consider bad.

>>1870450
And hedonism is better because?

>>1870450
That's not a very convincing view.

>Racism itself isn't inherently bad, but the effects of it are.
We are entering shaky grounds, condemning things for remote effects when there is often no way to assert what caused what. Besides, the bad effect you put forth is
>Creating a lower class of people injects society with an element of unrest which makes it less stable.
The assertion itself is debatable. In fact socialists could replace racism with property or inheritance and use the same trail to promote socialism.
The argument also assumes as some sort of strong restriction that there is a lower class in a given society, which is a very specific form of racism. Most "racists" as the term is understood ITT (began by talking of the 50s) want some form of segregation far more than subjection.

>is extremely destructive for a society
Many cultures have lasted centuries being racist, and some are still lasting being racist, like Japan
.
>is furthermore often associated with a lack of intelligence and empathy
And they were brilliant cultures. Some of them I definitely consider better than what I live in now. Anti-racism being the current norm has caused that it is mostly people on margins that openly show it. This is no argument against the Grand Siecle in France or the British Victorians or the Spanish Golden Age, all of them racist.

>>1869250
It should be a given that the past is sexist and racist and mean and so on. If they're too stupid to understand the concept of "besides that" than don't waste your time with them.

>>1870491
>0491▶
>>>1870450 (You)
>And hedonism is better because?

The ball is in your court, not mine.

>>1870524
I'm dismissing your other points because you're ignoring to many aspects. That racism is a detriment to increased productivity and longevity is not up for debate. Have there existed succesful racist societies before? Yes. That doens't change the fact that overall well being is a positive trait when it comes to positivity. Only a fool would think otherwise.

>>1870524
>it was better when whites could lynch blacks illegally and either not even be convicted or be sentenced "not guilty" by a biased racist jury of all whites.
>a society with racist laws like Jim Crow that treat citizens like slaves is good

Kill yourself. Racism among the majority allows a repugnant corrupt society to take root.

>>1869314
>They can't shut you up if all you teach are objective facts about the past.
That's naive.

>>1870573
> That racism is a detriment to increased productivity and longevity is not up for debate
Even if it weren't (which is extremely dubious) it wouldn't be a compelling argument without the accompanying assumption that "increased productivity" is an all encompassing goal.

As for your argument, it could be framed better.
Imagine group A has ability for activity X, and group B ability for activity Y. Let's say group A and B have the same number of people.

An investor looking preferentially for A people for X (devoting, say, 80% of his attention to A possibilities and 20% on Bs) and B people for Y (which is literally racist/sexist/whateverist) has very little chance of seeing decreased productivity from his pattern of assumptions and preferences, even if he so happens to miss a B candidate that is good at X or to have less chances to notice him.

In a production lien, it may be better to keep manufacturing process A for a product even though B can give some good results too.

It is edgy when talking about people this way, but this is just to respond to the argument.


>>1870612
What are you even doing out of Reddit being triggered like that?

>>1870643
>it's ok to deny someone opportunities for something as basic as a job based solely on their skin color

Do you even listen to yourself? Would you like it if your race was treated in this way and your doors were shut based just on your skin color?

>>1870669
>Would you like it if your race was treated in this way and your doors were shut based just on your skin color?
Not skin colour, but I didn't get to work for the dry cleaner next door as a teenager for the summer because he only hired fellow Jews. I didn't throw a tantrum. Less dramatic than what you describe but still.

Since we are in the retarded argument league, I could take your "argument"
>it's ok to deny someone opportunities for something as basic as a job based solely on their skin color
and turn it into
>>it's ok to deny someone opportunities for something as basic as a relationship based solely on their height
Yep, I'm a manlet an I have heard in plain words from the women involved that it blocked me opportunities with them. Where do I fit in the oppression scale?

>>1869331
>the 50s were great for white people in the society that they built
>it was shit for people who werent welcome there
Tell me more.
>>1870612
Fuck off you uneducated buffoon.

>it was better when whites could lynch blacks illegally and either not even be convicted or be sentenced "not guilty" by a biased racist jury of all whites.
>a society with racist laws like Jim Crow that treat citizens like slaves is good
Both of these things are correct, if you're looking at it from the white perspective.

>>1869277
Utter contempt for everything Old and Evil, and the belief that it must be torn down and stomped on, lies at the heart of every fascist movement. There are no exceptions.

Take a look around, kids. You're repeating history... and not in a good way.

>>1870730
I'd gladly repeat history if it meant the revival of white racialism, even in just my nation-state.

Sometimes violent purging is necessary.

It's amazing how people will universally condemn violent behavior towards their 'special groups' and never consider that the violence was justified.

For example: if jews are kicked out of dozens of nations, what's the common denominator?

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>>1870740
>For example: if jews are kicked out of dozens of nations, what's the common denominator?
Institutionalized anti-Semitism. Look, see this guy? This is your fellow traveller.

Unfuck yourself.

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>>1870643

>without the accompanying assumption that "increased productivity" is an all encompassing goal.

Very well, pick another goal and we can argue that point of view. I assume Well Being could be another goal, in which case racism is detriment again.


Furthermore your example has nothing to do with racism, so I fail to see how it applies. When people employ someone, they tend to look at their credentials and references, not the color of their skin (and if they don't, they're idiots who shouldn't run a business).

>>1870711
So you don't see a problem if fucking the vast majority of businesses would do what that Jew did and put up "Help Wanted: whites only"?

You lack any ability to critically think. You've experienced a single example of prejudice and can't even look at the big picture of a whole society who would act like that Jew that denied you a job based on ethnicity.

Your a naive idiot if you think being denied by the majority the basic right to work is "throwing a tantrum"

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>le wrong generation

guys, this is getting more frequent than the posts under beatles songs on youtube...

>>1869331
>He doesn't know what the 50s were actually like
How does it feel to be indoctrinated? Make your own research instead of regurgitating a highly biased view.

>>1870777
>Well Being could be another goal, in which case racism is detriment again.
There is no magic formula for well being.
If Aziz ben Youssef doesn't want infidels, that's taken into account in his well being, and he will minimize his dealings with infidels. It never needs to be drastic. He may only have a train of preference for dealing with other Muhammadans, as is at least what is inscribed in the sharia.
Go and say to him that Muhammad was a faggot in recommending that. And that you have the secret ingredient of well being and it involves X and Y and not having distaste for infidels.

>>1870802
I don't, and no one has a "right" to work.

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>>1870802
>So you don't see a problem if fucking the vast majority of businesses would do what that Jew did and put up "Help Wanted: whites only"?

nah. Businesses should be allowed to do that. However they get to deal with the ramifications. People might boycott the business due to what they see as unfair business practices, this would include minorities AND a lot white people. A business that wants to be successful wouldn't shut itself off from those customers, businesses that did so would fail. In addition, any successful business would simply hire the best people for the job. If they find a black guy who is a whole lot better at something than all the white guys that applied, they'll take the black guy.

tldr: The free market would fix it. I can tell you're a libtard though

>>1870862
>muh special version of free market

fuck off bizarro-commie

>>1870862
To be fair, libtard anon was using the scenario where an all encompassing conspiracy of (white) people decided not act in an unified way. Basically a race-wide cartel. Good luck maintaining that. And if it does, that probably means there was satisfaction in it.

I think we lost libtard anon by mentioning race. I wonder how he would respond if instead of the very mean whiteys, we were talking about a trade union uniting masses of wage earners in a grand cartel. Would they be big bad meany people too?

>>1870862
Yeah because the free market really changed the South from being a openly racist shithole. Oh wait, no that was the federal government that had to force them to treat all citizens equally. Even then the resisted up until the 80s.

All you're saying is you're ok with discrimination as long as your race remains in control. I'm sure if most business were Jewish and wouldn't hire your goy ass you'd be more demanding of equality.

>>1870969
>Oh wait, no that was the federal government that had to force them to treat all citizens equally.

Yeah, force who exactly?

That's right. The state governments, not businesses. State governments enforced Jim Crow you idiot.

A private business that openly discriminated against black people voluntarily would be out of business in months.

>>1870827
>There is no magic formula for well being.

Nobody has ever said there is, but we can easily deduce that some things contribute to and from it.

>>1870969
>the mean people having the incorrect opinions must be forced and coerced to our superior ways
Truly the puritans have no shame.

But even then the argument doesn't hold because of >>1870979

>>1870979
Federal law is what created anti discrimination laws for employment retard.

>Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e and following) prohibits employers from discriminating against applicants and employees on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin (including membership in a Native American tribe).

And in a society that encourages racism employers could definitely stay in business with a "whites only" policy.

>>1870979
>A private business that openly discriminated against black people voluntarily would be out of business in months.

>>1871010
>And in a society that encourages racism employers could definitely stay in business with a "whites only" policy.

The South DID encourage racism you ignoramus. And they still HAD to have the Jim Crow laws because no business would refuse to accept money from people without government threat simply based on skin color.

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>>1870969
>the federal government
Only when it became politically profitable to do so. Which followed the great national outcry that followed the invention of television, and people all over the country saw civil rights marchers getting the shit beaten out of them.

You are pretending the entire society was racist, that the civil rights movement never happened, and that the mighty and benevolent federal government swept in with its magic wand and cured society of all its racist ills -- three Orwellian lies in one.

My parents were part of this episode in history, you vicious brainless little fuck. Mom busted her tailbone getting hosed off the steps of City Hall in San Francisco protesting Jim Crow, and it still hurts when the weather turns wet. Dad spent several summers going south with boxes of books teaching blacks and poor whites how to read so they could pass these chickenshit voter literacy laws. Both were and are devout Christians who got a classical education, and who saw their work as a high act of patriotism. All of this you airbrush out at the behest of your deconstructionist leftist professors. Fuck you and fuck them.

I predict a brilliant future for you as an intern in the second Clinton administration.

>>1869250
Tell her that her view is presentist and that she is committing presentism and that she is culturally biased and should be more cultural relativistic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)

>>1871010
>And in a society that encourages racism employers could definitely stay in business with a "whites only" policy

Businesses simply wouldn't WANT to do that because that limits the amount of people they can sell their product to. That's the power of the almighty dollar.

>>1871068
Fuck you. You're putting words in my mouth and making assumptions so you can play victim online.

I never said anything to imply the civil rights movement didn't influence the federal government finally stepping in. However it was federal law that gave power to what the Civil Rights movement was striving for.

Fucking faggot

>>1870190
>no moralizing about teh gays
>in the 50s

What did you mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkzSVR2Oqck

>muh economic boom in black districts
So economic prosperity is more important than basic civil liberties? Great, how about I take away your right to vote and you can't use hotels or have good seats on public transit or be served in most restaurants anymore. I mean you get to keep your job, but that's about it. Since economic prosperity is everything I'm sure you won't be upset at all.

>labor-saving devices
Surely you can't be serious.

>>1869659
Feel free to start arguing anytime.

>>1870982
I doubt it, you will very quickly summon vague generalities like friendship or health.

Given all possibilities, a man acts on what he truly prefers. This is his empirical preference, as opposed to whatever conflicts he may set up in his mind.

If a man truly had option one, getting another involved in his life, and option two, not getting him involved, and chose option two, that is his empirical preference. that is what he actually leans towards.

When he acts, what are you going to say? That he prefers "unhappiness"? Would that change anything?

>>1871082
Then why did the South need federal law to force private business to stop this "whites only" shit?

>>1869250
>man that period after the war would've been a great time to live with the economic prosperity and all!

What a retarded line, you deserved to get laughed at for that.

The fact of the matter is, ignoring all the shit about racism and sexism, right now is the best time to live. The most advanced technology, the most advanced medicine, the most widespread peace, the lowest rates of violent crime overall (in the west at least), the most variety in consumer/luxury goods, the most freedom of movement, I could keep going.

Anyone who seriously wants to live in the past has a major case of rose tinted glasses and is ignoring just how lucky we are to live in this era. The present and future will continue to be better than the past unless we go through some kind of doomsday scenario.

>>1871113
There was some mandatory segregation imposed on the local level.
Also, with mandatory aspects lifted, you would have the possibility of taking blacks in, not the obligation, which is just another mandatory restriction.

There is no need for the disappearance of the oh so evil satanist "white only" things. If they can remain in business, they serve their purpose.

>>1869250
>she says "oh you mean the time when sexism and racism was rampant?"

Bah! There are tradeoffs to everything.

>>1871104

>I doubt it
Doubt it all you want, it does not make it any less true.

>>1871130
Have you ever considered that people may have different criterion that you?

>>1871156
Don't worry. I don't doubt your infinite wisdom knows what is Good and True.

>>1869426
>jewess explains to women why they should be miserable

terrific.

also:

http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/advice/a10665/female-depression-why-women-are-unhappier-than-theyve-been-in-years-385696/

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>>1871113
>need
See, there's your problem, wouldn't have "NEEDED" federal law given enough time.
As explained here >>1871036 businesses were serving black people because hey, it made money! People's attitudes were changing. Businesses that served black AND white people MADE MORE MONEY. This means they STAY IN BUSINESS. Businesses that catered to an increasingly small amount of true racists would find their customer base dwindling fast, and then fail if they did not make changes.

You aren't getting that people want money. If someone doesn't want my money because of my skin color, fine, why should I give a fuck? There's a million other people who I can give it to and will be happy to take it. The system of "racist businesses" fails on its own either way. Ever heard of natural selection?

Precious daddy government doesn't need to take care of everything, and shouldn't. It's a testament to how brainwashed you are that you think bigger government is the only solution to any problem.

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>>1870768
jesus did say the world would hate us

>>1870768

>if jews are kicked out of dozens of nations, what's the common denominator
>anti-Semitism

gee I wonder why anti-Semitism is such a common phenomenon throughout history.

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>>1871212
because goyim are disgusting beasts with no brains!

>>1869408

disco

>>1869577

you're assuming hedonism doesn't stem from ignorance.

>>1871101

>don't get raped by a pedo kids!
>propaganda

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>>1871292
One in four queer men has fucked an underage boy and is willing to admit it. That's without getting into the horrendous rates of STD's, suicide, self harm, the average life expectancy being 20+ years shorter, and so forth. They'll make WONDERFUL parents and solderis and Scoutmasters and so forth. Anyone who says otherwise is a fascist and should be destroyed.

I guess we'll have to re-learn the reasons for the old taboos the hard way.

>>1869250
>How the fuck do I even defend myself?
don't, or rather bait your friend by saying "Is there anything that isn't racist in your eyes?"

>>1869250
>retard with golden age fallacy moron
>retard sjw

hard to decide who is more retarded.

>>1871167

If you have to argue even such fundamental concepts as "good people are more productive" then you're mentally retarded and we might as well start arguing over what the meaning of certain words are.

>>1870730
Phil I didn't know you posted here too

>>1871467
I didn't notice this board existed until two days ago.

Half of what I see here gives me hope and heart for Western civilization in general, and the American part in particular. The other half makes me despair.

>>1869331
>The 50's would be a great time to be alive if you were a straight white guy. For everyone else it pretty much sucked.
The country was 90% white, and most women were still perfectly happy.

Also, nigs never had it better than the 50s frankly. Post civil rights movement we go straight into the drug war.

>>1870330
can you really say there's no victims caused by hedonism in the grander scheme of things?

i'll use an extreme example. can you really say that no one ever thought "if it feels good, do it!" and decided to molest a child?
>hey, we're just havin fun here! what's wrong with that?

a much less extreme and more reasonable example would be pointing out how the inability or unwillingness to exercise patience and restraint is statistically directly linked to significant loss of quality of life.

>>1871526

Perversion and Hedonism are not the same thing.
Also, quality of life can be judged on many different levels. Some people would rather live in pleasures than restraint.

>>1869331
>t. believes 50s sitcoms and PSAs were an accurate representation of the time period

I wish people would actually talk to people who were alive during the 1950s. It wasn't repressive, that's just the media image of it, both during that period (since this was the first mass TV generation) and in later years. There was a lot of social deviance, political agitation, crime, etc, it just wasn't reflected in the mass media of the time due to the image the government and large corporations was trying to project, primarily as propaganda against the Soviets and communism.

>>1871526
>"if it feels good, do it!" and decided to molest a child?
Both age of consent laws and polygamy are next up to bat in the culture wars. Watch.

>>1870802
the Jew in his anecdote isn't being prejudiced though, he's being nepotistic

>>1871101
>So economic prosperity is more important than basic civil liberties? Great, how about I take away your right to vote and you can't use hotels or have good seats on public transit or be served in most restaurants anymore. I mean you get to keep your job, but that's about it. Since economic prosperity is everything I'm sure you won't be upset at all.
Dumb comparison. All things being equal of course you'd prefer to have more civil liberties. If you offered a better economy in return for fewer freedoms, plenty of people might consider it. In fact, plenty take that option and vote Democrat.

In any event, the fact is that blacks post civil-rights had the drug war, mass incarceration, the total destruction of the family with a massive increase in the % of births from out-of-wedlock. Before that things were improving rapidly, and the economic gap between blacks and white was shrinking. Post War on Poverty it's never improved.

>>1869314
Kek, until the faculty who was brainwashed 20 years prior to you fires you for feeding "falsified information" to your students. Universities are the den of Marxism, you'll never beat the diluted.

>>1870139
The pendulum is going to swing back hard.
Harder than even I would like, and it's going to be all there fucking fault.

>>1871179
>legally protected racist bullshit last 100 years (1860-1960s)
>hurr muh free market promotes equality

Get fucked lolbertarian.

>>1869250
well if this person isn't a white male, it's reasonable for them to not share your desire to travel back to many points in history because they wouldn't have as good a time of it as you would
you do have a point, there were places and times that weren't as bad, like the American northeast in the 1920s, but for much of American and European history, you probably wouldn't want to roll those dice if you didn't know they were going to come up a perfect 12

>>1871544
people have been saying that for 20 years, tripfag

>>1871318
I had to look up and check where I was
why are you even on this board?

>>1872285
Why do you buy the premise that everything pre=70's was a racist sexist shithole? Jesus H. Christ. You think all the Mexicans and Vietnamese and Japanese and Chinese that immigrated were fucking retarded? You think women weren't holding down full time jobs?

At least for the USA, you really can't say "man x time was a great period for america it would have been great to live there"
Yeah, great if you were white male maybe. If they're not a white male they're going to disagree, no shit.
OP is literally an example of white privilege. Can't even imagine that life is different for other people and gets mad about it.

>>1870979
you're not doing the math
if there aren't enough black people around, or enough people who openly care about black people, it won't affect their business
not only that but the areas that are the most racist (and the areas that are the least racist) tend to be the ones with the least actual contact with other races

>>1869250
Man, anytime before 1789 would have been great to be a wealthy landowner.

>>1872460
I have this suspicion that even the staunchest 21st century conservative would be deeply uncomfortable at any point in US history before maybe 1970.

After all, the status quo that they're preserving now is the very recent invention of yesterday's radicals.

>>1872538
That isn't true. Sorry. Talk to some old folks.

>>1872460
I didn't say that, I said it wouldn't be as much of a fantasy for them, because they might end up in a bad situation.
Also fuck you, I tried to not generalize there and you're putting words in my mouth making it sound like I was.
I mean, fuck, in this hypothetical time travel trip, you can't guarantee you and your black friend aren't going to run into the best little lynch mob in Texas.

>>1872551
Okay.

Well, before the 1957 Civil Rights Act, there was essentially no legal response to lynching whatsoever.

State courts were the only courts legally permitted to try murders, and they never convicted anyone for lynching.

Before the 1964 Voting Rights Act, literally every US election was smothered with voter suppression to the point where the polls didn't really mean anything in Southern states.

Before 1977, federal housing policy was to only lend to whites.

Now, I don't think most conservatives are closet segregationists, but I think most of them are unwilling to admit how much they appreciate what the new left accomplished in the 60s.

>>1872460
>Why do you buy the premise that everything pre=70's was a racist sexist shithole?
I thought we were discussing the 1950s here. They were pretty racist.

>>1869250
But she's right, racism and sexism were much worse in that period than now. Whether the economic prosperity of the time makes up for that is subjective.

>>1871212
jews are eternal outsiders and everyone fucking hates outsiders
especially in the spiritually invasive christian and islamic religions

What's with all the born in the wrong generation threads recently?

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>>1872589
Whatever you say, kiddo.

>>1869331
Everything in this post is a meme opinion. You've done nothing but list ultrapleb popcorn impressions from the decade that you got from pop culture.

>>1873041
>hurr white Civil Rights activists existed, therefore society wasn't racist!

Hey genius, why the fuck do you think that white man is holding that sign in the first place? Because he has to protest how shit and discriminatory American society was.

>>1873041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>1870450
Then we just kick the inferior races out, problem solved.

Why is everyone so retarded in this thread? Usually you guys are smarter

>objective
Because you say so nerd?

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>>1873129
...you don't even know who that is, do you? How about this guy, you dumb snarling little shit?

The society and culture you are demonizing and writing off could police its own ranks and deal with its own demons. If they hadn't been successful, nothing would have changed.

>>1870450
I don't understand, do you mean racist laws or people literally just expressing racist views?

>>1873168
It's /pol/, as usual.

>>1870669
An employer doesnt have an obligation to give you a job parasite, and you don't have an obligation to work for them.

>>1870802
If the Jew wants to be racist, sure. I don't own his buisness and I don't control his hiring policy.

>>1873041
Riveting counterpoint, chap.

Meanwhile in reality, a huge amount of American society in the 50s held values that modern Americans find repulsive.

The Voting Rights Act only got through Congress because LBJ was an arm twisting son of a bitch, and because Kennedy had just been shot.

Now tell me again, are you a segregationist or just naive.

>>1869277
>>1869283
>>1869314

Im so glad my high school history teachers weren't PC and SJW af

>>1871016
Well yeah, blacks might have been the minority for awhile, but they breed fast when they're uppity and the whites would soon be outnumbered ten to one.

>>1871433
>good people are more productive
Huh? I really don't see how this follows, what do you mean "good people"? Morally? Because I would productivity being put over morality is a pretty common thing and they can easily come at odds.

>>1873183
>they're famous so that means society wasn't racist!

My point still stands

>>1873242
>a huge amount of American society in the 50s held values that modern Americans find repulsive.
Like what? The sanctity of marriage? The nuclear family being the cornerstone of a healthy society? That getting drunk and stoned in public and behaving badly, or getting divorced and busting up your family, were *bad* things?

>>1873397
I guess you're glad to be the first generation of Americans whose society would be unrecognizable to any of their ancestors. I find it horrifying. You have no idea what you're trashing.

>>1872538
>>1872561
My main issue with this line of thought is that when we talk about whether it was a good time or not, I don't think positioning modern people as time travelers is the correct approach to take, because we've been raised and educated to have certain expectations of right and wrong that people who were raised in previous times didn't have; they may have been the direct opposite. I'm irreligious, so I myself wouldn't want to go back to any society that persecuted heretical beliefs (most of them prior to the 18th Century), but that doesn't mean I should just dismiss them as bad societies and presume that nobody enjoyed their lives, so long as basic needs like food and shelter were met.

While what >>1873242 says here:
>Meanwhile in reality, a huge amount of American society in the 50s held values that modern Americans find repulsive.

is true (homophobia and racism in particular, although the acceptability of racism was declining), so is the inversion of it: past Americans, and all past people for that matter, would probably be repulsed, or at best extremely confused, by our modern world, unless you are a devout subscriber to Whig history who sees an inexorable march of progress.

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>>1873453
Fine, fine. Demolishing the standards and practices -- legal, social, and cultural -- that 90% of your society shared for 90% of its existence is a good thing. See the men in this picture? They were racists, sexists, homophobes, and superstitious churchgoers on top of that. They were BAD PEOPLE. You are GOOD. Men who fuck each other up the ass and get human shit all over themselves in the process are GOOD. Turning places like Portland (Maine) and Hamtramck into Muslim colonies is GOOD. The only reason the men in this picture would find the society you've constructed is because it is DIFFERENT. Everything is relative. And you are smarter, more moral, and more highly developed than all of your ancestors combined.

I feel like I'm talking to the postmodern American answer to Chairman Mao's Red Guard.

ask yourself if what we have now is truly better and more sustainable. and whether people today are happier or not.

protip no it is not no and no

>>1873470
Fuck off Buckley, you're supposed to be dead. Standing athwart history yelling "STOP!" is what idiots do. And appealing to the supposed wisdom of the past and traditional legitimacy in a nation founded by a bunch of liberals who succeeded by looking to the future is just about the worst argument I've ever read.

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>>1873577
The systematic and ideologically engineered destruction of the society you live in is not 'history.' It is a sort of slow-motion modern fascism. And it will meet the same end unless you back the fuck off a little.

>>1869617
Sometimes people just make the right comeback too easy for you

>>1873595
There is no destruction of society at all you paranoid old fuck. You can doompaul till the cows come home, but the world will go on, and the US will continue to thrive.

>>1873656
We are already in a place that is fiscally and demographically unsustainable. There has been a disastrous erosion of public morality and the rule of law.

And the wages of sin are death.

We'll pick this conversation up in twenty years.

>>1872589
sounds great desu

>>1871113
To be fair if you were one of the few people pulling the 'whites only' crap at this time, you would probably have made a decent amount of money for a time since the majority of racist people would come to you.

However if they were left alone, leaving more and more businesses to exclude black people, then they would start to lose money overall.

Exclusion only kind of works if you're the only one doing it. If everyone is doing it then you're not getting more white people at your shop, you're getting the same amount as before, minus every potential black customer.

So a theory is that if you just let these things run their course, the 'almighty dollar' will eventually come into play, and the idiots will either go bankrupt or remove their whites only signs

>>1871099
>responding to a tripfag
smdh

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>>1873737

this

>>1870491
Hedonism existed since the beginning of time. In fact racism was basically connected to hedonism in the 19th century because slaveowners lived in relative luxury. Today only seems "hedonistic" because we're richer and more technologically advanced on an absolute level. I'm sure the middle ages would have seemed hedonistic to a bronze age man, too.

>>1871544
The age of consent has risen over time you sperg. People were marrying 7 year olds in the middle ages. The age of consent was 10 in 1900. Awareness of abuse has skyrocketed since the mid 20th century. It's better than ever before, you're full of shit.

>>1873776

Setting the age of consent above 16 is positively ludicrous and opens the doors for adolescents to be prosecuted and punished for normal sexual acts.

>>1871433
Yes, if a father wants his son to take over his business instead of the most "productive" guy, he is obviously retarded and literally Hitler.

If a man wants to spend time with his friends instead of being more "productive", he is obviously satanist.

What the fuck are you even doing on a Mongolian horse-archery imageboard?

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>>1871433
>>1873792
Besides what is this "productivity"? Because it differs from person to person. There is no standard on what is productive.

I seriously hope you are not implying it's about attracting shekels. In this case the man that takes a job he likes in industry or a trade instead of going for the higher job in finance would be evil and a retard.

Eh... a couple points OP.

The '50s were pretty racist and sexist, she's got a point. That said, every time period/place has it's issues. The modern US is undoubtedly more islamophobic than Europe or the US was in the '50s. Additionally, that period of post-war prosperity was filled with peace movements, and effectively spawned the civil rights movements.

I think the 50s (in the west) were a pretty good time for someone born in the 30s, but I think most folks alive today (in the west) wouldn't enjoy them very much. I think a person alive in the 50s was probably happier than someone alive today is almost anywhere in the world, it was a time when things were improving. Now is a time when things seem to be stagnating or moving backwards. Hell, if you'd asked me 8 years ago what the solution to racism in America was, I'd say 'Wait for the racists to die, obviously'. Now it's pretty obvious that such things aren't a valid solution. We're entering a time of turbulence where it's becoming clear that the future isn't a constant movement towards progress, but some sort of cycle that's going to have shitty periods. The people in the 50s almost universally had hope that shit was going to get better, looking around seemed to reinforce that view. I envy them that, even though they're generally racist and sexist.

... I know you're probably trolling OP, but honestly a good counterpoint to that sort of thing is 'You don't think things are sexist and racist now? Every time period has issues, we're just less aware of ours.'

>>1870730
it's funny how antifa in europe and low test leftists in muriga calls themselves anti fascists while they're the literal definition of fascism itself

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>>1873803
>islamophobic

>>1873803
>The modern US is undoubtedly more islamophobic

I think the larger issue would be the intense violence and violation of rights some extremist sects cause. I have seen more death from islamist extremists than "islamaphobia".

>>1873803
>Oh God stop people are disliking having their safe and peaceful communities be shaken by Islamic mongrels
>Quck, attach a -phobia word to it so we automatically win the argument
You're exactly the piss stain cancer OP is talking about.

>>1869250
If want shot someone anon, just enter in balckwater. Also, cut ties with the bitch, she is retard.

>>1869250
yo nigga read this shit
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.ca/2016/05/against-cultural-senility_25.html

>>1874359
>>1874371
>>1874381
>reading comprehension

>>1869250
should've just said "yeah but I'm white"
would've shut them right up

>>1869428
Muh dualism

>>1870174
We have just as many positives as any period in the past, and any period in the past had just as many negatives as we have today. Get over your ideology.

>>1874515
Explain to me how "islamophobia" is an issue in the west and not Islam itself.

>>1874555
Right after you get past that false dichotomy

>>1874569
Islam is objectively a bigger issue in the west than "Islamophobia" (rational fear towards savagery is not phobia, it's plain old survival tactics). So please tell me why our times are so bad because of something that doesn't really affect anyone while ignoring the cause of the "phobia" that does.

>>1874595
Christianity is objectively a bigger problem than "Christanphobia" (Rational fear towards savagery is not phobia, it's plain old survival tactics). So please tell me why our times are so bad because of something that doesn't really affect anyone while ignoring the cause of the "phobia" that does.

>>1874686
I wasn't the one whining about Christanophobia though. I see you are unable to defend your bullshit so you resort to just copy-pasting posts hoping it sticks.

Anyone nostalgic for the postwar deserves to get laughed at. You fell for the white picket fence meme.

>>1873409
>The nuclear family being the cornerstone of a healthy society?
>People actually believe this
The nuclear family is actually degenerate as fuck. The natural state of a family is clannish and tribal, with multiple generations of the family living together or close to each other
The nuclear family was a trick designed to sell more shit and make people easier to control ( a lot more easier to convince one man to vote in your favor than to convince several generations of males who collectively have a lot more experience than you)

>>1870174
>We have incremental advancements in how many transistors you can put on a silicon plate

Like that's so much worse than the thousands of years high tech spent making slightly hotter furnaces

>>1874700
I'm not the guy you were arguing with, just pointing out that what you wrote applies to Christianity in equal measure.

>>1873409
you know what the fuck values they mean, they mean people *other than the ones you're posting* believing they're better than others just because of how they were born, be it based on race, sex, orientation, or what religion they grew up with

>>1869250
Liberal tactics, discredit history so only the modern viewpoint is valid. Because the modern viewpoint is the one engineered by liberals in public schools and the internet for the last 30 years.

>>1874920
I don't know if I'd go that far but I agree with you in spirit

What I really fucking hate is that ok, people rightfully realize the nuclear family was a dumb meme, but then they go on and reject any kind of family they see as traditional, and now anything passes as family.

>>1874426
>Druid perspectives on nature, culture, and the future of industrial society
lol

>>1869292
>presuming to know my morals
>implying modern morals are inherently good because they're normal
Kill yourself my dude.

>>1869331
>the 50s only occurred in America
>calling other people's views narrow
If you're upset at how well American white men and women prospered I'm sure you can find a happy time wherever you 'fit in', friendo.

>>1873656
>but the world will go on, even if the US or any other single society on the planet gets supremely fucked up

fixed that for you

>>1873791
16 is the global average and also the average of most Amerilard states except California. Wtf are you arguing about.

>>1875758
>now anything passes as family

Wow it's almost like every family is different and what seems natural to you isn't universal.

>>1871531
Perversion and hedonism go hand in hand to the point where hedonism simply means unrestrained perversion in the eyes of nearly everyone.
Hedonism strongly encourages perversion, and perverts commonly support hedonism.

Those people 1) are the minority in most cultures and 2)are usually fooling themselves regarding their empty lives, and in doing so tempt and poison the communities they dwell in.

>American problems

>>1869421
> If an ethics system says that "(something that isn't good in my current ethics system)", this ethics system is useless.

> What is subjective morality

>>1870450
Your issue isn't racism, it's classism. Racism is just when the shittiest caste happens to be that because of their colour. You always end up with plebs at the bottom.

>>1877896
>Hedonism strongly encourages perversion,
Today on "I don't know what words mean."

>>1870450
> Racism is often associated with a lack of intelligence and empathy

That's because only idiots are openly racist due to fear of being a social outcast and losing their job. Do you think Galileo liked Jews? Do you think Leonardo da Vinci stood alone as the only tolerant person in Florence? Do you think Isaac Newton protested against colonialism, that Leipniz thought black people were equal to whites, that Muhammad al-Razi was the one Muslim that thought women were equal to men?

No. Being intelligent doesn't make you less racist, it just makes you more adept at hiding it. I'm pretty much all out "Blacks back to Africa, shitskins back to the desert, Kikes back to some patch of desert barred from all involvement with anything else"-tier racist/anti-Semitic. And how many people know that? Nobody. Not one person in my social circles knows I'm any more rightwing than "We should probably attempt to set up camps in the area to keep refugees contained in the Arabian peninsula, in order to ensure they can safely and quickly return after the conflict".

>>1870669
I've been declined a job at a pet shop for example for being male.
The solution was simple, I walked next door, and got a job there instead.

Was I happy to be denied a job? No, but I'm not entitled to a job there, anymore than I am entitled to a job anywhere. I have to show my value to be a viable candidate. They set a requirement I could not fulfill, so I looked for a place with requirements I can fulfill.

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>>1870768
> do the something
> kicked out of society
> move to new society
> do the same thing
> kicked out again
> repeat for millenia
> never try adapting
> just keep doing the same thing

> Oy vey, it's the anti-Semites!

>>1869331

My grandfather ( I am Indian btw) actually visited the US in 1959 in order to exchange research data with the department of organic chemistry at the Purdue University. He once told me that he wasn't discriminated against while he visited the US, however this could be because he was visiting the north.

>>1870726

>>>/pol/

>>1869250
>Wanting to live in the social strait jacket of the 50's
The hippies came into being for a reason.

>>1881467
It's because he was an exotic visitor. Being in the north helps too.

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>>1874686
>>1875098

I wasn't aware of the multiple Christian terror cells and military movements currently trying to carve out a theocracy.

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>>1873803

disregarding your other points, id like to take note of one paticular thing you've said:

>if you'd asked me 8 years ago what the solution to racism in America was, I'd say 'Wait for the racists to die, obviously'. Now it's pretty obvious that such things aren't a valid solution.

This thing in paticulatr miffs me. Anyone who thinks there problems will go away on its own is ignorant. Take me for example, im 25 (born in 1991) and im an ethno-realist, which to some people is enough to condemn me as a racist. At this point in my life, i no longer care about petty labels given to me and i activly work to spread my ideals. The only way someone can stop me is to kill me and my wife, who is carrying my child. Incidently, I plan on teaching my child correctly so bam theres another racist running around for a good 80+ years.

Anyway my point is, unless leftists are willing to get there hands dirty again in the risky business of murder, your going to have to deal with it old chum.

>>1869428
Enjoy polio

>>1879845
>correlations are absolute categories

Maybe you should think before you go on a big rambling sonnet of autism that I'm not going to read.

>>1873766
Actually the middle ages were pretty chill.
Even peasants had to work only 2-3 days a week for their rent.

>>1882053
>6 incidents with Neonazis worldwide
We had more of 6 in that time-span in Germany alone. Easily.

>>1883346
lol no

>>1879868
> never try adapting
100.000 Jews fought for Germany in WWI.
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/erster-weltkrieg-als-juedische-soldaten-fuer-deutschland.886.de.html?dram:article_id=289401/1nvepe2/index.html
Seems like trying to adapt didn't help much.

>>1883352
nice argument
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
maybe not as few as I said originally but still far less time than in 18th century, when the system was nearing its end

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>>1869250
>How the fuck do I even defend myself? Are people now not allowed to say that anytime before 2000 was a good time because of "muh sexism and racism"? I mean I understand it was an issue, but you can't just ignore objective economic prosperity, right!?
>How could I better defend my historical opinion in the future?
The past sucked ass for alot and/or the majority of people, so no place would be bereft of problems. Even now there are all still things that suck. So if everything 'sucked' in one way or another, bad things would be happening to a lot more people. You could also say you asked specifically what it would be like to live then with it's economic prosperity and not about disadvantages. For the sake of your question, those would be irrelevant. Also point out that racism and violence toward minorities was an actual problem, sexism is a meme.
>https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/pump-and-dump/
>https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/fair-sex/
>http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/
>http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/09/the-sexodus-part-2-dishonest-feminist-panics-leave-male-sexuality-in-crisis/
>>http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/women-were-not-oppressed-by-not-having-the-vote/
Also if they're going to cry sexism, then it was also 'sexist' for men to still be stuck with and depended on for their roles while women abandoned theirs
>http://judgybitch.com/2013/09/17/what-would-happen-if-no-men-showed-up-for-work-today/

>>1870726
>Both of these things are correct, if you're looking at it from the white perspective.
>>1869331
>it's only idealized by people who are either ignorant of history or are white dudes who don't have any compassion for the suffering of others.
>>1870726, You're just proving his point and if you're white; how sure are you things would be so great for you

>>1883349
>picket against mass arab immigration
>NAZI TERRORISTS

Sure you did...

>>1869364
spooked

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>>1870969
>if most business were Jewish
>if

>>1882949
Congratulations on your child.

By the way I am ethno-realist myself and will teach my kids we are superior, genetically. I mean we have at least 7 points of IQ above whites on average.

That's huge, considering IQ is not linear and it's just an average.

Anyway I hope you are Asian too or at least your wife doesn't have a low IQ, I am naturally assuming you have a high one.

It really is a crime what's happening over in Japan, how they don't have any kids.

>>1872589
Reminder most of those lynched were rapists and murderers who committed crimes against white people.

The KKK did nothing wrong.

>>1869292
>morally
S P O O K

>>1869250

Don't argue with idiots, simply point out progressive thought such as that is a product of those very same mindsets she hates and freedom to have an opinion.

Her answer might reference evolution, change, or adaptation but those "racist" or "sexist" historical events and times are literally the reason she exists and can express her feelings. Or we can ignore all history and just reference Facebook posts from last year as high literature and blatantly complain about alterior thought.

You could even say in moments of absolute disagreement historically the strongest employment of force and tactical thought has prevailed regardless of someones opinion about history.

>>1884107
>>1869250

Edit** To add on most of those people reference history or other ideas with labels but pull some passive aggressive tier lobbying and pandering for emotional response without confronting anyone physically.

When confronted with physical or actual repercussions they seem to plead ignorance or wipe their hands of wrong doing and implications. The irony is we already know how ignorant they are, they just finally admit it without realizing it themselves.

>>1881467
>he was visiting the north

That's a lot of it, legal segregation was a southern thing.

>>1872787
This, they may be overly focused on but discrimination and shit did exist. You might say they're good things, but then that's a question of ideology.

It's reasonable to say that an era of history is interesting but you wouldn't want to live there, because of technology or social norms (my dad joked that if you were bad you'd be reincarnated as Genghis Khan and not have toilet paper).

>>1869419
what would you say to "destroy" them

>>1871320
Hero anon comes up with actually useful post (although other shitposting is entertaining, educational for more than just the participants)

>>1869331
>memes the post

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>>1869292

>morality

Jesus lad, act in your self interest for fucks sake, who cares what """society""" thinks. Be you, and not what others tell you to be

>>1885401
People are spooked.
Not even by functional spooks like property. Pure undiluted spooks.

>>1879845

And yet here you are spouting racist views.

You're stupid either way

http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

>>1869350
There is nothing I inherently immoral about racism or sexism, or really anything.

>>1885546

So would it be okay for me Spout #killallwhitemen on a daily basis?

Or #killtheblacks as well?

Seems pretty counter productive IMHO

>>1885554
Morality doesn't define whether you doing something is retarded anon. Morality is something that doesn't exist.

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>>1885559

Oh well no shit

>>1882053
Why are Christian terrorists so much more lethal than anyone else? Their deaths per attack ratio is more than 10 to 1!

>>1869754

How does that necessitate those times being horrible? How does that invalidate those times?

If one kid gets a 95 and the other gets a 100, the kid with the 95 made mistakes, but he still did fucking well on his test.

>>1885559
>racism and discriminatory societies are ok because "le morality is a spook"

Kill yourself memer

>>1885784
>ok
That's a spook. Being racist and discriminatory is retarded if it doesn't serve your own interests. If it causes backlash of some kind, then obviously you shouldn't do it. It has nothing to do with morality.

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>>1879856
>I've been declined a job at a pet shop for example for being male.
>They set a requirement I could not fulfill
Alright, imagine if the shop next door wouldn't hire you or the vast majority of shops wouldn't hire you just because you were male. Today, you could just walk to next store and get hired. Yesteryear when idiots got to set highly biased, discriminatory, arbitrary requirements based on their own hate and prejudiceand and on something as miniscule and stupid as race, you could be lucky if anyone hired you. The solution might've been simple for you, in this modern age were there aren't an overwhelming amount of racist retards. But back then their solution was to get derided, take it up the ass or (in the case of Civil Rights) fight back and tell people who thought they were inferior, didn't see them as people or didn't think they rightly deserved an unbised shot at a basic, non demeaning ok paying job, to suck it
>>1884002
>lynched were rapists and murderers
Reminder that many, many, too many glaringly fabricated times they were falsely accused rapists and murderers and innocent people were subjected to unspeakable horrors.
One of the ironies of today that with all of those false accusations of the past, there are people who still haven't learned from them
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
Pic related

>>1869421
>Smoking crack does not hurt others directly. It still is not a good idea to smoke crack.
A good example of something "indirect" that does harm others is smoking
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking

>>1871016
They wouldn't, but unless the owner's an idiot he'd put profit above skin color

>>1874686
>so BTFO has to resort to tu quoque
>doesn't even know if he's a christian or not

Shit man, you fucked this up so bad, guess you're sleeping in the cuckshed tonight

>>1883349
Sorry Hans but I think the National Counterterrorism Center is more adept at determining these things than you

>>1881788
>exotic visitor
This and I doubt the north thing actually matters. Isolated visitors and guests seeking hospitality have usually been treated warmly by the host society because of curiosity, the need to add new genes, or Sacred Hospitality. It's only now that visitors are arriving in such numbers that the first two reasons are bunk and disbelief in in God ruins the last.

>>1885401
What about empathy?

>>1885418
guess that explains why blacks and hispanics are so tribalistic then..

>>1869408
>inflation continued unhindered but people weren't getting paid anymore, stagflation
>black family, which was on its way to being respectable and upright, destroyed by welfare state and crack
>oil shortages and insane gas prices
>in fact that last one got so bad that the president went in tv to tell people that wearing sweaters indoors and turning off the AC was probably a good idea
>second wave feminism sows the most retarded seeds that will eventually blossom into the wonderful state of feminism in the modern west
>lowkey America is losing the Cold War with its defeat in Vietnam
70s was a terrible time, to say nothing of disco

>>1869426
>Arianna Huffington says I should read it
Wow a ringing endorsement indeed

>>1869408
My country got split in half in 1974

>>1869250
>There is no sexism at 2016
Haha. What an argument.

>>1869250
Sure, there was sexism and racism, there's no denying that, but you CAN look at the positives too; the economy was fantastic at that point.

Remember that it's a very old strategy to pretend the past was terrible and that you and your kind were the noble civilised people to bring enlightenment to the world. The past wasn't that bad.

>>1870172
Qow not even THAT anon, and you are an insecure dick with poorly supported views

>>1873470
>See the men in this picture? They were racists, sexists, homophobes, and superstitious churchgoers on top of that. They were BAD PEOPLE.
If they believed in the retarded concept that someone else was inferior because of their race and that that gave every right for legitimate opportunities to be denied those people, that violence deserved to be done unto them and they had the right to do violence unto them based on prejudice, pseudoscience, hate or all of the above; and believed in hating people for no rational reason, then yes they were bad people.
And on top of that
>churchgoers
hypocrites too.
If you want to pull the whole "support the troops/America" shit or
>legal, social, and cultural -- that 90% of your society shared for 90% of its existence
That just because a lot of people believed in something makes it ok. There are tons of historical events and practices that are proof that a lot of people believing something does not make it ok. And the irony seems to be lost on you that the point in American history this thread is talking about is a glaring example of just that. And those or any other men fighting in a/any war, seen as justified or not, is irrelevant to the fact that if they claimed to want or participate in any of the above: irrational violence towards others; etc. they have lost all right to claim that they are good or at least morally upright people. An even further hypocritical irony is than church goers supporting hatred is that WWII has been labelled a war for "freedom", to liberate foreign peoples for some unjust tyranny (literally Hitler). Ironic again that people fighting for "freedom" would be willing to do so for people they haven't met and don't know, yet leave their countrymen struggling for it.

>>1887344
>There is no sexism at 2016
It's a literal SJW meme now. And at any point in history, including now, when women had it bad men had it equally as bad and the majority of time, worse. Assholes who made life shit for women weren't just doing it to women, they were doing it to everyone. Even now in the case of all violent crime, including sexual crime, men are more at risk than women.
And if you really want to get into sexism; what about women being free to abandon they're 'gender roles' while men are majoritarily expected to be stuck with theirs, quotas which focus on pushing more women into positions over more qualified men; and false ideas like the wage gap myth and other cornerstones of SJW lies about patriarchy that rely on undermining and shitting on men. Sexism goes both ways and consistently been leaning in one direction (hint: not the ones SJW's would have you think). The burden of doing most important shit, fixing shit when it's broken and in the majority of cases when other people 'broke' it, solving everyone else's problems and getting the blame when things foul up even they're not responsible has never failed to lie on men when other peoples shit hits the fan.
>>1883469

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>>1872444
>Anyone who has an opinion on gay rights that I disagree with belongs somewhere else

>>1869250
What's the point in arguing against that kind of opinion?

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>>1870301
3rd anon. Can confirm that you're an ass.

Also your hypocrisy is blinding.

>>1869283
>>1869314
>implying you decide your own curriculum

There was a time when I was like you, When I wanted to a be teacher so that I could steer the younger generation right.

Then I found out how school systems actually function, where the teaching material originates from and in general the nightmare of internal politics and bureaucracy

If you think the damage wrought by this PC and SJW mindframe can simply be undone by you pr anybody else simply teaching a class, you'll find it's entrenched much deeper in the education system than you ever could have anticipated.

>>1869250
Just ignore it, and teach others the glory of the past.

>>1871156

kek

>implying

>>1888237
that quote is misattributed, aristotle never said that

polite sage