Italians can't figh-

>post a spaniard

gg

>Ended up losing Rome
>Fled to Spain to br a mercenary
>Died in battle
>Italians can fight

>>1867416
>>1867418
Maybe OP means Italians can fight because they defeated him

Really makes you think

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>>1867409
They fight just fine, it's commanding they suck at..

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>>1867409
>not posting the based french-born, italian austrian commander

>>1867416
His dad was a Spaniard, his mom was Italian.

>>1867440
>italian
>just because Italy always had a failed claim for Savoy

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>>1867409
Still boggles the mind that one of the Borgias became a fucking Saint.

>>1867477
Francisco was raised in Spain, far away from his shitty Italian relatives.

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>>1867433
>>1867418
>>1867416
Napoleon was Italian. Before you say he is Corsican, his whole family was of Tuscan nobility.

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Roger of Lauria the best naval commander of the medieval period was a native Neapolitan/Sicilian and BTFO both the French and the Germanic kings in Sicily.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_of_Lauria

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Andre Massena, Napoleon's greatest Marshal that preserved the empire on a number of occasions, was in fact Italian.

>>1867621
if Sardinians are Italian then corsicans are just as Italian

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Ambrogio Spinola, the most successful commander of the 30 years war, was Italian.

>>1867650
I think the case could be made Corsicans are even closer to "Italian" than Sardinians are.

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Raimondo Montecuccoli another one of the greatest commanders from the 30 years war, was Italian

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Ilic Ali, the greatest Ottoman Naval commander, second only to perhaps Barbarossa, was Italian

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Daily reminder that the last succesful cavalry charge in history was done by Italians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Savoia_Cavalleria_at_Isbuscenskij

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Antoine Henri Jomini, next to Clauswitz the most influential military scholar ever, was Italian

>>1867658

exactly

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Giulio Douhet, the military theoretician who literally wrote the book on air warfare, pioneering concepts such as strategic bombing, air strokes, dogfights, and nuclear weapons by over 50 years, was Italian

>>1867621
>Napoleon was Italian
Greek. Napoleon was greek.

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
The Decima MAS, the unit that pioneered frogmen and Navy SEALs, which carried out one of the most successful special operations in WW2 whereby a handful of operators took out a number of British battleships, was Italian.

>>1867719
delete this

>>1867719
>we wuz frogs n shiet

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>Italians can't figh-

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
The most successful counterinsurgency campaign ever carried out, whereby the Libyan rebels in colonial Libya were wiped out, completely destroying the resistance movement, was carried out by Italians. This is something not even the United States has accomplished in their wars yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Libya

>>1867743
Romans stole Greek culture and military arts.

>>1867746
Why does that guy wearing the glasses look like a cartoon villain?

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>>1867416
>>1867418
>>1867433
Guglielmo Embriaco, the Genoan naval commander who was solely responsible for all of the Crusaders success in the first crusade, was Italian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Embriaco

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north america was discovered by a batshit insane italian

http://wikibin.org/articles/list-of-undefeated-military-commanders.html

If your people haven't haven't produced one of those during their history then they can't fight.

>>1867758
No they actually didnt. The fact that they had a different conception of war than the traditional Hellenistic conception which included winning a decisive battle and then negotiating peace was responsible for basically all of their victories. The Romans and Latin conception of warfare was total warfare. They fought to extinction, which is why they were ok re-raising armies constantly even against tactically superior enemies (Pyrrhus, Hannibal, etc). Pyrrhus and Hannibal had a Hellenistic conception of war, and thought that the Romans did too. The whole strategic thrust of their campaigns against the Romans were built on false premises, and thus could never truly win.

The Romans absolutely did not steal Greek military conception or art in any way at the Strategic, operational, or tactical levels. It is because of this fact that the Romans were so successful militarily.

Fagot

>>1867787
t. Roman

>>1867783
>http://wikibin.org/articles/list-of-undefeated-military-commanders.html
>Who is Flavius
>Who is Scipio
>Who is Sulla

>>1867791
great comeback

>>1867799
Romanians.

>>1867758
The Romans did originally use the greek style citizen soldier army early in their history until the gauls kicked their shit in at the Battle of the Allia and they decided to do something other than forming a wall of bodies. Then after fighting the Samnites and various barbarians from the north they decided that stabbing swords were neat but the rich cunts didn't want to use swords so they stuck with their hastae. Then Marius decided it would be neat if anyone could be a soldier instead of just the people with money and the rest is literally history

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Italians can't figh-

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Italians can't fight.

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>>1867416
OP posted the wrong image

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>>1867409
>>1867969
>>1868004
What's wrong with you guys? It's almost as if there's a sni-

>>1867409
Italians trying too hard: the thread

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lol