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Could anything have been done to save the Crusader states?

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Could anything have been done to save the Crusader states?
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Crusading
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>>1867366
They would have had to integrate themselves with the native population. Actually tried to learn their culture and practices, so that they'd be willing to actually support the crusader states instead of immediately welcoming the liberating Muslim armies every time they came around. Maybe elevating more of the native Christians into the nobility, too.
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>>1867382
Sounds troublesome

Easier to genocide the locals and ship French pilgrims in to replace them.
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They should've done what the Muslims did and force the infidel to convert via threats of death. The Christian population at this time was significant enough that they'd be able to hold on to the land even with the increased militancy among the (former) Muslims.
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>>1867366
Only way for them to have survived would have been to create a self-sufficient, and very powerful realm. They would have had to control the modern day countries of Isreal/Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordon. As well as this ->1867382 to have created the stability, and strength they needed.
Even then it's a toss up. They had enemies on all sides, and they held one of the holy cities of Islam. No way the neighboring realms would have ignored that forever, even if they kept losing.
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>>1867366

If the Mongols were converted to Christianity.
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>>1867448
If it's so easy, why didn't they just do that?
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>>1867519

Because it would make all the infighting muslims around them to immediately go after them. Kind of like the Christians in yurop.
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>>1867499
They almost were. Christianity was huge among the Mongols until the Khan converted to Islam. It was the primary influencing religion under Mongke and Hulagu Khan converted to Christianity.
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>>1867528
They were Nestorians, though. Not much give and take between them and Rome.
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>>1867366
No more than could have been done to save the Andalusian taifas
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>>1867459
No, retard. You got it the other way around. Forced conversions was what the Catholics did.
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>>1867366
There is something you can do right now:

https://www.grouprev.com/restoreninevehnow
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If Crusaders actually were second sons that did it for the money like some Historians believed (or because they wanted to send the excess of manpower somewhere), the Crusader States would have a better chance.

What really harmed the Crusades was that Crusaders would go there, fight, conquer something... and then leave.
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>>1867366
Yes

If the French weren't too greedy and didn't send their colonists everywhere(Latin Empire, Sicilia, and so on) except Jerusalem, they would have succefully colonized this land, and if the Germans weren't retards(especially their emperor) they would have conquered a huge chunk if not the entirety of the Middle East under Frederick I.
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>>1867366
Launching more crusades
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it wasn't really a question of could as much as should
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