What is the most aesthetic helm, and why is it the crusader bucket

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>>1866482
I like the mosquito

>>1866546
Thats a new one, i never seen them before

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>>1866482
>implications this bold

>>1866482
So between hyperventilation and being deaf, how do you wipe off the sweat stinging your eyes every .5 seconds?


But I suppose Crusade larpers don't ask that question cause it's not like they've been to the gym and sweated in the past few years

>>1866565
>So between hyperventilation and being deaf, how do you wipe off the sweat stinging your eyes every .5 seconds?
You get used to it. Also, a bandana helps
>t. guy that has decades of experience with being sweaty under a fencing mask

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>>1866482

It might look cool in your videogames but that's as far as I'm willing to comment on it.

>>1866546

Frightening.

>>1866557

Iconic as fuck and probably the best of its time.

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Anyway, real talk and not obscured by videogames, I don't think anything beats this.

>>1866557
Ah yes the penis helm

>>1866565
>let me nitpick why this is a poor design despite it being commonly worn in war for centuries

>>1866565
What is larp? and to be fair, if it was a bad helmet they wouldent have worn it for centuries,

>>1866594
was it commonly worn for centuries? was it just popularized in illustration? was it popular? amongst whom? for how long? are there any contemporary accounts on its effectiveness?

>>1866598
larp is passive aggressive term for historical reenactors, commonly attributed to people on /his/ or /pol/ obsessed with particular times of western history, ala crusades or wehrmacht, particularly SS or Heer, you rarely see people obsessed with the Kriegsmarine or Luftwaffe

>>1866599
now you are just acting retarded, if it wasent a popular armour they wouldent have made ilustration and statues of ppl wering them, ex the holy orders and common knight wore them

>>1866601
ok, ty so larp is basicly dressing upp?

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>>1866601
>passive aggressive term

Nigger, it's just an acronym.

>>1866565
The real problem with the crusader bucket was the flat top. Blunt trauma to the top of the helmet went straight to your skull/neck instead of being deflected.

>>1866601
LARP is not an "aggressive term for reenactors"
It's "live action role play."

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/LARP

>>1866606

dressing up AND pretending

Live
Action
Role
Playing

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Simple and memorable.

>>1866602
>if it wasent a popular armour they wouldent have made ilustration and statues of ppl wering them
I don't think you understand history anon, people who made the illustrations copied them from other illustrations, not personally seeing them

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>>1866633
>having such irrational disdain over a piece of armor that you actively deny it's existence

What's it like being this autistic?

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>>1866633

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>>1866482
>anon i want to go crusading n shiet, but im too poor to buy any decent armour, also i got this shitty bucket
>say no more senpai

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>>1866654
nice taste senpai
>>1866666
KEK

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This helmet.

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pic related with a face coif mail was pretty rad

>>1866654
>being so buttblasted someone's questioning his boner for buckets


Calm your autism kiddo, you're reaching r9k levels for no reason

>>1866666
Satanic Quints don't lie.

deus vult niggers = bucket-heads

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>>1866672
Vendel period was straight pimp.

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>>1866674
Shit quality, but...

>>1866728
>Vendel
>vandal

I aint no historian but I'm sensing something

>>1866754

I like how it almost looks like a balaclava-type mask, jihad swag

>shit quality

Are you referring yo the pic or the helmet? Cause I would love to know more about medieval Arab armor

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My go to helmet shall forever be the visored barbute.
Aesthetic and practical.
Panty dropper extraordinaire.

>>1866674
this

>>1866809
Strong chin
>>1866674
Weak chin
No wonder it took the Arabs so long to evict the euros

>>1866809
too bad it's not historically accurate

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anyone who knows what Rome is could tell you where this helmet is from.

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Reminder: Burgonet>Morion

Other great mentions: sallet, armet, and bascinet

>>1866798
That's not medieval Arab armour. That's Early Modern period Ottoman armour.

Medieval Arabs wore chainmail with padding under and clothing over.

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Morion is best open helmet, burgonet best closed helmet.

>>1866666
Says you, satan.

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Lobster bois where we at? Pike and Shot was the most aesthetic period of warfare.

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>>1866482
No it's the burgonet.

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>>1866654
Nice goggles.

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I like helmets with masks, the psicological effect that was fighting something like a living statue must have been something.

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>>1867850

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>>1867850
Italian armorers deliberately strove to create the impression that you were fighting a machine -- a sort of medieval Terminator. They called it the 'machina anthropomorphica.'

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>>1867870
Impressive.

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>>1867870

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>>1866590

floppy hats

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>>1867891
I wonder who could be behind this post?

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>>1867850

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>>1867921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDup6EFWWmk&list=PLZPnIqXhjUwYqmBTpmGRpKTiJjilgitwA

>>1866598
Oh it is a horrid helmet. Hard to see and breath. The thing is if you know you may take a lance in the face it'll save your life. Really only a useful helmet for a horseman.

>>1866809
>visored
>barbute
choose one

>>1866590
Explain the filename

>>1866601
>Kriegsmarine
Sorry we don't belong to your gay club, gayboi.

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>>1868051
There are lots of Wehraboos on /his/.

>>1866482
The bascinet with the pig face visor is my favorite.

If you post a flat-top helm then your taste in helmets is awful. Honestly, does anyone know why they switched to flat-tops during the crusades?

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>>1866654
>>1866672
>>1866728
>>1867828
>>1867892
>>1868080
Fine choices.

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>>1866661

>>1866592
Imagine being so gay that you see penises when you look at greek helmets

>>1866501
How can it look so menacing even when it is a bucket shape. Asshole religious fanatics looking so edgy and cool.

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>those engravings

Ottoman helmets were patrician as fuck to be fair.

Can't read the writing but engraved Koranic verses in Islamic art/architecture/engineering are usually related to the object in question (a well will be engraved with a verse about water) so this one is pretty much the medieval Islamic equivalent of BORN TO KILL or I AM BECOME DEATH

>>1866594

>he thinks that armour remained unchanged for centuries

Further proof that /his/ knows fuckall about history

>>1866594
>despite it being commonly worn in war for centuries
except it wasn't. it was used just couple of decades and that's exactly because it was a shit design.

>>1866654

Saying that an iconic type of helmet wasn't anywhere near as popular in the actual middle ages as it is amongst modern movies and reenactment, isn't denying they existed.

Great helms quickly turn into sugarloafs, probably due to the flat top being retarded. Sugarloafs then turn into bascinets and bascinets split off into armets and sallets depending on preference and budget. No one particular style stayed in use for for than a few decades, without undergoing some of evolution or transformation.

>>1866612
>>1866614

The way larp is used on this board is definitely passive aggressive as fuck.

>>1868107

Because a flat top ignores the entire point of plate armour, which is to have a curved surface for a blow to slide across and away. A flat surface is just going to take the full force of the blow, directly into the wearers skull.

It's why literally every other helmet, from sallets to brody helmets to construction workers helmets, feature rounded or pointed tops in some way.

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I like these brimmy ones

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>Out of my way savages

>>1867850
Can you even see properly through those slits? Doesn't seem practical

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I think you mean the hound helmet

>>1868981
Can you ever?

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>>1868979
Savages wore morions too my man

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>>1866546

>>1868826
you didn't answer that guys's question

>>1868775
>can't read

Don't worry, most arab speakers probably can't read half of it either unless they know the quote by hearth. Islamic calligraphy can get to the level of Black Metal band logos.

>>1869084

Fuck, read it as switched from rather than to.

Probably because it's significantly easier to make a flat sheet as the top of the helmet rather than curved. You start with a flat sheet anyway and just need to bend the sides for the rivets. Even today most reenactment and museum costume helmets are made in two parts and welded together, because making a helmet skull out of one piece of metal by hand is a ball ache, despite the array of extra modern tools and techniques available.

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Hounskull anyone?

>>1869175
technically with modern techniques a one piece metal helmet would be incredibly easy, since we have specific presses. However, I'm assuming most smiths don't have the money to shit for a press.

>>1866762
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendel_Period

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>>1867850
>>1868981
you can se that the slots are quite wide

>>1868762
:^)

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>>1868064

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>>1866482
Bellows visored helmets are pretty cool.

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>>1868762
i have a pic of a original greek hoplite, and many historian agree they looked like this

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Whatever this is called is the most aesthetic

>>1869616
that's a norman italo helmet

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Forever and always

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>>1869616

>>1869734
>>1869616
Despite my eternal asshurt at the Normans, their helmets were really cool in Italy.

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>>1869759
Agreed. Italo-Normans best Normans

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>>1869773
>ywn defend Harold Godwinson's lifeless body to the death with your bros
>ywn be the perfect embodiment of Comitatus/Dryht

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>>1869616
>>1869759
>>1869773

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>>1869990

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>>1869993

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>>1869997

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>>1869993

>>1870006
>soon

>>1869183

True, an actual full scale factory could probably crank out bascinets and sellers all day long, but the overwhelming majority of armourers today are one man working out of his garden shed, or a small workshop with a couple of part time assistants at best.

Even the Indian mass producers seem to rely on a big log being dropped onto another, shaped log as their best attempt at a press. One of them had a picture of the set up proudly showing their employees at work, but can't find it at the moment.

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>crusade bucket
>not based teutonic wings

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>>1870596
Best combo

>>1870596
>I want a helmet but also really like sombreros
>say no more sir

>>1870203
>all that unnecessary extra weight in the middle of combat just for the sake of looking cool

no wonder they sucked

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Suck my dick.

>>1870601
This tbqhf

>>1866809
visored barbutes never existed, they were pieced together by Victorians who wanted cool armour for their collections. the whole point of a barbute is that it doesn't need a visor to protect the face.

>>1870683
Faraam legion is gay af

>>1870749
What's goin on Matt? Diggin the new Scottish basket hilt

>>1870750
what is Faraam legion

>>1870640
That's something people have always done. Armor is just as much for looks as it is for protection. Also it might have a psychological effect.

>>1870857
Crests and banners and heraldry told you who was on which side, anon. It's medieval IFF.

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Why are the Swiss so damn sexy? Does this not make you wish to be a tavern wench in the late 15th century and having sexyfunnytimes with burly Swiss warriors?

>>1870883
>fraternizing with mountain people
Ewww

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I have a soft spot for frogmouths, please dont kill me..

>>1870984
I love them too

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>>1870984
sweet, i like them becuse they look so "wierd" i got this pic that show how the paddig linen is and how the head is located

>>1871034
They were only used for tourneys right? Not really meant for the battlefield

>>1871053
Yes, that is correct, they where only worn on tourneys, they where made for maximun protection, and i read that some where fixet against the breast plate so if you where hit in the face by a lance your body would follow the motion instead of just your head, if the helmet was just on your head you would break your neck becuse only the head and neck would move

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>>1866673
All sallets are best helmet. Pic is my sallet (late 15thC Italian, in hardened spring stainless for tournament use)

>>1870640
>>1870857
Firstly, don't let art fool you, but its almost a certainty that the big crests were not used in combat at all, and are purely for tournament. These were not stupid people.

Furthermore, they are made of light woods (like balsa and bass), paper mache and plastered cloth. They don't weigh much.

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>>1870897
Admit it, you want it!

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>>1871053
To add to anon in >>1871092, The left is for jousting, and the right is for using wooden cudgels and blunt swords to try and bash off the crest from the opponent's helm.

Due to the nature of tournament, they could make specialy armour that would otherwise be a hinderance on the battlefield: left arm harnesses that can't bend (but keep your arm from getting broken), mitten gauntlets that lock shut (can't drop your weapon, but can't open or close your hand), breastplates too heavy to walk around in (this is where the "turtle" myth comes from), etc.

>>1871092

Yep, that's what the bits at the front and rear are for. They bolt on the breastplate.

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>>1871263
people wearing kolbenturnier or jousting helmets or harnesses into battle is the equivalent of a US marine going to war wearing a football helmet and shoulder pads

also, post your harness

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MAKE WAY SAXONS

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>>1871301
I don't have any from this season in my full ACL steel fighting set up, and my SCA baton fighting/HEMA stripped down set up hasn't changed except for new boots and gaunts.

Pic is my parred down kit for SCA/HEMA. I add cased greaves, a maille skirt and voiders, and a brigandine upper breast/back for steel fighting.

Finally ditching the ratty ass mitten gaunts I have been using.

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>>1871477

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>>1871482

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>>1871484

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>>1871477
>>1871482
>>1871484
>>1871490
Yessss

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>>1871496
More sallets!

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>>1871501

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>>1871490
>>1871496
>>1871501
>>1871502
sadly i dont have any more paintet ones

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>>1871502

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>>1871511
I got you bro.

>>1871517
sweet, thaks senpai, i love painte sallets

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>>1871517

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>>1871527
I really gotta organize my folders.

>>1869578
Awesome

>>1867874
never noticed that molded tear drop before

I wonder if it was inspired by the modern prison tear drop tattoo

>>1870883
His head looks like Robocop

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>>1871555
yeh me too, i found 1 more

>>1867874 I thought face Shields we're just a parade armor thing.

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on pure aesthetics I like Japanese Kabuto helmets.

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>>1866654
>>1866728
>>1867828
>>1867892
>>1868080
>>1868272

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Does this type of helmet actually exist? It looks really cool but I don't know if it would be particularly effective, maybe ceremonial armor? I don't know

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why is skullcaps so sexy

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>>1871683

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>>1871687

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>>1871690

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I think we can all agree this is the best helmet

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>>1871622
I have tons of Sallets and a bunch of various painted helm but im looking specifically for painted sallets. Im tapped on that for now.

>>1871625
Well, Thats a gladiator. Aesthetics before comfort. That said, heavy horsemen used them occasionally.

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>>1871640
Yes, and there are several extant pieces. It is a tourney helm, typically part of a modular harness for multiple events.

Fun fact: Except for Ledger's character's kit, all the kits were historically accurate, but with over 200 years of variance between the assembled kits. A lot of the Czech extras were reenactors and just brought their own 15th-16thC kits (with a few 14thC tossed in)

Same with the clothes. With the exception of the main cast, the clothes of the background actors is reenactor grade kit.

>>1871710
that's the Edward the black prince from "A Knight's Tale"

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>>1871725
Well I'm an idiot

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>>1871683
Simplicity and function. I have a thing for composite skullcaps.

>>1871704
We already confirmed the superiority of the Sallet.

>>1871725
Dunno why you tagged me, but I know. I love the movie.

>>1871723
Awesome, thanks

>>1871034
>Rains
>Drowns

>>1871813
>not having your squire constantly carrying an umbrella on a 15ft pole to protect against rain
damn peasants, sullying the honor of knighthood

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>>1871640

That particular example is one of the Churburg castle armets.

>>1866482
Frog helm.

>>1871813
>jousting during the rain

>>1866673
This helmet.

Sorry OP

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Cuman helmet.

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i like this visor on the helmet

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how can anything compete

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all this unpainted pleb

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>>1874269

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>not having a helmet that says 'I must unite the german people'

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outta my way trooper fucking shits

>>1874291
>tfw your helmet reveal your position on the trehces
also eye poking

>>1874291
Why does it have a butt plug on top of it?

>>1874295
*shoots you in the legs*

>>1871631
>Vendel Scandians
hhnnnggg

>>1866546
So it's a long Klappvisor with an edgy shape. Interesting. More unusual designs like this ?

>>1874577
a klappvisor is just a visor on a bascinet that's hinged at one point, like this one >>1871301

>>1869616
>>1869734
Just realized it really looks like the Bauta venetian mask

>>1874594
Oh yeah you're right there are two hinges, my bad

>>1874173
Really looks evil

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>>1874532
best helmets

>>1874330
So you can shove it up someone's butt obviously.

I missed the greathelm debate. You said the top was a flaw because it would crumple at any overhead blow?

Dudes used to wear skullcaps under them, or even just smaller helmets. I don't see the issue here.

>>1875920
Heavy and hard to breathe in anyway, flat tops are not the only flaws

>>1875960
Why were they so ubiquitous at one point?

>>1875971
For the same reason crusaders all had chainmails. Because techs and means of production only allowed for it at the time. I'm not saying they were shit, they were just not as good as what came after, but that's only natural.

>>1875999
Also it was simpler to produce and thus cheaper

>>1874408
psssh...such is life, kiddo

>>1875920

There's no issue with the full energy of the blow being directed straight into your skull? Wearing another helmet inside the greathelm doesn't protect you from that.

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>>1876475
>only had to wait 3 seconds between posts

What did Hiroshimoot do?

>>1876478
potentially saving 4chan
I wasn't aware of this

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>>1867606

a shitty costume store that's what it's from

everyone mangles the shape of the galea so much it's actually hard to find pics of accurate ones.

also there's like fuck-all Polybian Roman Army reenactments and reconstructions, despite the Etrusco-Corinthian helmets being the coolest thing that ever graced our planet.

>>1876767
>no extra rim
Laughingthracian.jpg

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>>1876782

I'll show you rim

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>Not a single armet/close helm
>Literally THE knight helmet

disappoint

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>>1876783
Oh fuck

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>>1876788

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>>1876800

>>1869563
Lmao

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>>1876804

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>>1876810

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>>1876815

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real talk though, i would suck the dirtiest dick for this helmet

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>>1866482
I adore this helmet ever since I've seen the movie

>>1876788
>Literally THE knight helmet

>Developed right when Knights were losing relevancy.

Sure thing anon.

Japanese translated the thread:
http://www.all-nationz.com/archives/1061981211.html

>>1877634
wut? why?

>>1877665
Probably just a blogger hunting for article content to rake in ad-revenue. If you can't think of anything to post, just translate an interesting thread from someplace else (and possibly pass it off as your own content).

>>1877634
>one of my post is in there
I feel famous now.

>>1870750
fuck off

>>1870843
video game shit

>>1877634
pretty interesting

I wonder how many threads this happens to

I wonder if some jap in a comments section talked about my post

>>1866557
/thread

>>1866482
It looks dumb.

>>1871234
Ok, dude on the left is ridiculously /fa/. Dem shin boots over plate. Dat fancy red shirt. Dat headband. It's like the best of hippy/hipster fashion but on a dude in full plate.

>>1871501
Best helmet ITT, my new favourite.

>>1871723
Remember that scene where Chaucer does the huge speech talking William up and saying how great he is, and then the crowd is just silent until the other guy prompts them? Apparently that wasn't scripted, the crowd were just meant to go wild, but because they were Czech there was a communication error and they didn't know their cue.

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>wearing helmets

>>1876475
>>1876478
Damn that's a e s t h e t i c

>>1876874
Literally one of the worst-looking helmets I've ever seen. Looks too thick ergo heavy, clearly no space for cloth/leather padding underneath, Faceguard is tiny, eye holes are massive, lol spikes so cool, looks roughly made, I can go on but the point is it's ugly af.

>>1867606
gaul?

>>1876822
Unf, yes, more Italo-corinthian

>>1878137
I know that feel, especially when I'm posting under another flag on /int/.

I think it's a right-wing site because I see "korean monkey" appear in the comments sometimes. Also a lot of the translations are of /int/ & their opinions of Japan.

>>1877634
KeanuReevesMatrixWoah.jpg

>>1877634
godamn gooks leave my thread alone
>REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1875920
flat tops meant the full force of the blow was being delivered into your skull. Do you like being knocked out or getting your skull cracked open?

It's my favourite looking helmet sure but if it had a domed top it would be better.

>>1874680
Yeah...reminds me of something.

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>>1879021
>>1874680

>>1879202
Atlantis?

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I prefer this Italo-Norman helmet

>>1879202
Looks like the tower guard helmets out of LOTR.

>>1879202
that's a pretty fly helm

>>1867870
It's actually "macchina antropomorfica"

>>1867606
Carthage

>>1866482
>it took people DECADES to figure out a flat top is a terrible fucking idea


pre 20th century people seriously were dumb apes

>>1879400
>visors this large

what a stupid fucking idea

>>1876874
MF DOOM

>>1867870
source?

>>1879456
why?

>>1879649
Because it's very easy to stab him? Daft americunt.

>>1879672
howt the fuck does a big visor make you easy to stab you stupid cunt

>>1879676
don't mind him, it's a /his/ thing

>>1879676
Because enemy can stab you in the face you retarded fucking ameridiot.

>>1879711
fuck off you retard
>>1879689
yes i know that /his/ thing is being full off retards, but this is just stupid

>>1879718
>gets BTFO
>f-fuck off :(

why do you think visors were so tiny later on dumb amerishart? Go get shot by a nigger in your own house you fucking third worlder.

>>1879766
>gets btfo
:^)
they got smaler becuse they started using bevors

>>1879809
stop replying

>>1879766
>>1879672
>>1879711
>this much salt
l m a o
If you want to be American so badly, all you have to do is move here desu ;^)

>>1870640
> winged hussars
> sucked I

>>1866482
I really want to be a crusader for halloween, anyone know where I could buy a costume/materials cheap?

>>1882414
1185 AD

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>>1882434
Thanks anon!

Here's an unrelated /his/ meme for your troubles.

How the fuck did this thread live this long

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Fallschirmjäger helmet

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>>1866621

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>>1882488
Because, as you can see in the fabled Improvised Head Protection Thread on /k/ a couple years ago, helmets and all things helmety are awesome.

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>>1871484

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>>1882579
kek
>>1882414
buy a buttet mail shirt and a helmet from some internet shop and make a tabard from a white sheet and paint a cross on it, if you wanna do it, do it right and on get a shitty plastic/cloth costume that looks like shiet

>>1877076
In popular art it is the knight helmet

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CШ-40, helm of greatest soldiers

>>1882488
helmets are awesome.

>>1882488

Arms and armour is one of the few topics /his/ can discuss like grown adults without injecting a huge dollop of /pol/ stormfaggotism for no reason.

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Homer spoke about this in the Iliad

>>1866666
Oh mama

>>1870640
If you're on a horse it's safe to say no one will grab your horned helmet anyway.

>>1867850
They were parade helmets. In combat seeing and breathing are quite useful.

Why even bother wearing a helmet? Just git gud and dodge.

>>1870640
>>1870203
Teutonic helmets were probably not like that. There's little representation of them like that before the release of Alexander Nevsky, which was an anti-german propaganda film from the early USSR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZPgGbUuX0

Great scene.

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>>1883731

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>>1883672
IKR? just roll sideways when they attack

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>>1883736

>>1869563

Guess you could say this helmet being the most aesthetic is a...phallausy

>>1867921

Face helms are my favourite and probably the most psychologically impacting.

>>1884085

That pun is fucking terrible. But I'll allow it.

>>1883599
Not true. You even see depictions of people wearing visors in close combat in medieval art.

>>1883599
There is no such thing as parade only armor. All the highly ornate armors were intended to be used.

>>1884085
haha kek, thank you i spent an entire week in paint to make it

>>1884320
well i have read therois that the cav mask was used during parades when they had a great victory

>>1866666
Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.

>>1867618
the fuck is a spider helmet?

>>1883695

>were probably not like that

straight ignorance...
A majority of helmets probably didn't look like that but there is plenty of evidence to say some did.

>>1885641

Looks like a skull cap with a whole bunch of metal strips attached to cover the rest of the head, like a whole head bar grill visor. Would make sense given its place in the timeline, where you're likely to be either shot or slashed with a sword.

>>1884320
Nice bait almost answered.

>>1885641
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>>1886349

You are aware he's at least partly correct? The later, highly (HIGHLY) decorated stuff like the Negroli helmets and the Lion armour are hardened in exactly the same way as any other type of "field" armour.

>>1886354
Partly correct is still partly wrong. There is plenty of extant armour that was designed to be worn for show only. Thinner steel, fewer rivets and straps, and most of all, no wearing at the suspension points/articulations etc.

>>1866809
>an occular that wide
>breaths on the left side (not always wrong but still)
>improperly shaped barbute underneath
>no coif

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