Were the Irish(and Italians) really discriminated against in the old USA or is just a "We wuz discriminated" meme?
Irish and Italians were never really discriminated nor lynched in mass.
Only a couple of Italians were lynched because they killed a cop, so it was justified.
Irish and Italians are not white
t. Polish
They were, but not to the extent that blacks were (not even close) and it ended way too distantly for anybody to even claim any sort of compensation from it.
Also indentured servants not as bad as slaves.
>>1862519
yes, feel sorry for us
>>1862519
It's true, the Irish were the Mexicans of the mid-19th century.
The only reason they were picked on in the first place was because whites and blacks were segregated and humans always have to have someone to pick on. So white chose the ones in their communties who had the most differences(Irish and Italians were a prodominatly catholic group in a protestant country).
Yes. This typically occurred through discrimination in the workplace (passing on Italians and Irish to English Protestants for jobs), increased police monitoring and the lack of access to higher education for many Italians and Irish.
Many places of work flat out refused to hire either and many were regulated to low paying labour jobs with very little chance of social mobility.
>>1862519
when lovectaft expressed his disgust and disdain at the unwashed hordes of semi-human beings flooding his good old white country he mostly meant italians, irish, and poles
>>1862570
Sometimes, italians and irish were basically every drunktard in the tavern on his stories, while non-white people where the savage, sub human group that is colluded with the forces of evil due to some vodoo-esque tradition.
>>1862570
Lovecraft said he only favored immigrants from the british isles, including the irish if they were protestant. If americans really hated the irish/italians they would had banned them like the chinese, certainly wouldn't had let so many of them be cops too
>>1862538
>The only reason they were picked on in the first place was because whites and blacks were segregated and humans always have to have someone to pick on.
That's a terrible fucking answer. It doesn't even begin to answer the question. All you're doing is making a vague statement about 'segregation' (as being a significant phenomenon to the North of the Mason-Dixon Line, somehow) and tacking on another vague statement about how humans like to 'pick on' each other. Shallow analysis at best.
>>1862612
>If americans really hated the irish/italians they would had banned them like the chinese, certainly wouldn't had let so many of them be cops too
Americans hate Mexicans and Latin Americans, but we have millions of undocumented immigrants from Latin America living in this country. Why? Because it benefits corporate interests who are interested in cheap labor.
The people in power view those beneath them as exploitable tools. They don't care about skin color. So why would they have had a problem with starving Irish families coming over from Europe in the 19th century? These people would work for practically nothing, much less than many born Americans would demand as wages.
>>1862542
A lot of the discrimination was against Irish women, too. Nobody wanted a violent drunk in their house alone with their with all day, but digging a canal out side of town is fine.
>>1862519
I don't know about the italians but a lot of Irish hate was probable from overlapping hate of the Catholics.
>>1862519
>literal signs saying "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish"
>a meme
Not gonna cry about it though, it's a natural reaction to a mass influx of poor foreigners
Atleast you let us in in the first place
There was generally a lot of anti catholic discrimination, compulsory public schooling starting locally in a lot of communities specifically to try and make catholic kids protestant
It's important to remember that at the time very few Irish people spoke English and by European-American standards they dressed very oddly, so they stood out
>>1862612
>including the irish if they were protestant.
so not including the irish?
>>1862519
>predominantly Protestant country
>needs shit work done
>immigrants brought in to do said shit work
>weird accents
>Catholic
>basically the equivalent of modern Mexican immigrants