/his/ tell me of the history of commercial flight and why it

>>1860755
Whats there to tell?

>>1860755
it was expensive and highly regulated. It became less regulated and less expensive so the quality went way down

>>1860778
came here to say this

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>>1860778

49 year old here, who flew to Poland for a vacation with my ex-pat parent’s in 1977 and back then, all the men wore suits and ties for the flight (I had a three-piece polyester in canary yellow with bell bottoms and Beatle boots…) and the women were of course dressed up fancy.

Even our neighbors who drove us to the airport (Detroit Metro) dressed up, as going to the airport was gee-wiz kinda thing back then.

>>1860778
/thread.

Airlines get away with cutting corners to cram as many people onto a plane as possible, then charge out the ass to be given enough space to breathe by 'upgrading' to business class, thus maximising profits both ends.

>>1861257
That's pretty weird to think about now, and a suit on today's planes must be hell.

>Thanks for sharing, anon!

>>1862122
i fly Lufthansa every summer to Europe. it's a good 9 hour flight. business class is definitely a rip and I think people tend to over exaggerate how bad economy really is. I don't think I'd ever pay extra for business class unless I was worth A LOT of money.

>>1862122
I think studies actually show most people perfer cheap ticket prices to creature comforts when it comes to plane rides

>>1861257
I also found this point very interesting. Thanks for sharing gramps

>>1862156
Surprise surprise, most people think the destination is more important than the journey.

>>1862156
>as long as it's cheap let's pack them in like sardines
>oh and let's not even let them get drunk like the good old days

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>tfw you will never bang an air stewardess on a commercial flight in the 70s

>>1862216
imagine the anal devastation if that was in a magazine today

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>>1862216
Pick one, lads

>>1862211

This sounds like a Kelly comic from the Onion.

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People were expected to act as if they were attending a gourmet restaurant, in terms of attire and decorum, and of course stewardess sex appeal and the whole "coffee, tea, or me?" thing.

Today it's just run by bean counters squeezing every drop of profitability out of it by packing people in like sardines, but I imagine the operating costs are much higher now.

Plus if you've got the cash you can now take showers mid flight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84WIaK3bl_s

>>1862216

God damn those were better times.

How did everything go to fucking shit in just one generation?

>>1862229
16, she looks really sad that she didn't get picked

>>1862259

Not everyone likes being treated like an object. Who woulda thought!

>>1862279
the day women stop dressing like three dollar street whores is the day I'll stop objectifying them

>>1862286

And you wonder why women protest

>>1862259
The 80's

>>1862216
>>1862229
They look prepubescent.

>>1861257
japanese still do this.

fuckign americans look like slobs now.

>>1862291
because there is a void in their life caused by the fact they don't have children and a husband to love?

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>>1862295
Even better

>>1862300

>i know how women think and they're also a collective hivemind

>>1862299
Well sorry if sweatpants are just so goddamn comfy

>>1860755
>Dressing up for a mere fucking commute.
Threw up.

>>1862295
No way. They actually look very much like late-teenager and young adults.

We just think they look juvenile because of the hairstyles (the 70s was all about minimalist hairstyles on women, the kinds we give children now) and the clothes. Average young women now dress in as little clothing as possible, whereas women in the 70s actually wore more concealing fashions, like long skirts and dresses, pants, and blouses/shirts with sleeves and neck-height collars. These kinds of simple, concealing outfits are the kinds of things we still dress our children in now, but our more "mature" fashions seem to promote showing as much skin as possible, making for a very clear visual distinction between "child" and "adult".

So now when we look back at fashions for young/teen women in the 70s, it almost looks like they're all sporting children's clothes and haircuts.

>>1861257
48 years old. I remember walking up to the airport 15 minutes before my flight. Paid cash for a one way ticket to Los Angeles. I didn't even use my name. It was fun. I had people call me Howard Hughes, Clark Kent, Joe Montana, Larry Bird, Jimmy Conners, Ronnie James Dio, etc.

So I would have my ticket in my hot lil hand with those various names on them. It was too funny. My friends and I used to think how outrageous we could get with names.

I miss those days. When flying was fun.

>>1862242
I used to fly PSA. I remember that airline. It was awesome! Gone are the days of beautiful stewardesses. Today we have fat short hair mean faced orcs.

>>1862423
All the pretty stewardesses are in International Flights.

US Domesticshit don't get no honeys.

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>>1862406
9/11 was a mistake

>>1860778
But with
>the free market
Shouldn't quality have gone up as well? Or at least stayed the same?

>>1862211
Since when? I've never been on a flight that didn't serve liquor.
>>1862435
dafuq am i looking at?

>>1862216
Still done in Asian airlines

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>>1862447
New Horizon textbooks

It's a Jap "how to learn English", You might have heard of them from the Ellen Baker meme that became popular a few months ago. That was the kid's version that they used in Jap schools

In their adult version, there's even a drama that you can learn English from that filled with love triangles and romance.

>>1862303
Aren't you doing the same?

>>1862470

No

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>>1862447
>>1862460
Oh wait, no, I was wrong.

It's actually a parody of New Horizon, called Dark Horizon.

>>1862472
"Explain"

>>1862460
The one you posted before was a parody of New Horizon, Dark Horizon.

>>1862460
>That was the kid's version
I don't know what's worse. That that's for kids, or the annoyingly poignant portrayal of a painkiller addicted Canadian.

>>1862476
That makes more sense.

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>>1862481
Yeah, I got mixed up, this was the adult one I was talking about.

>>1862460
I want to fuck Ellen

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>>1862491
Thank you based Japs for making all that goddamn porn

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>>1862216
>mfw this is good advertisement back then

>>1862478
Not that guy but it is easier to say what women don't want then what they want, especially when movements have been created precisely on stuff they don't want

>>1860755

Thank Jimmy Carter
Helped to get the whole de-regulation thing going
It was a privilege to fly, people behaved better then
People had patience, everything wasn't about "me"
Trash and minorities took the bus or drove
Then came de-regulation the bus folks moved over to the planes and the planes became flying buses
People who just walked or hitchhiked now take the bus
Planes are filthy and dirty, "cabin crews" are old and fat with bad attitudes, people dress like they just got out of bed to use the toilet

Disneyland used to be nice, clean, decent, Grandma could pay a few bucks to get in watch the family ride the rides, plenty of sit down places to eat, people dressed decently, no swearing, no nearly sex while in line, nice family place
Now, full of trash, blacks, gangbangers, people dressed like they just gotnout of bed to use the toilet, tattoos, everything pierced, women look like whores, everybody is fat, bad attitudes, pushing shoving, yelling into phones, hitting their tired kids, everybody wearing flip-flops, no class, no decency, just degenerates

Ever been on a bus nowadays, homeless, druggies, mentally ill, illegals, crazies, freaks, all fucked up

Everything people used to be ashamed of, they put online and parade down the street

The whole damm place has gone mad and it will only get worse and worse

Absolutely, Fucking, Disgusting

>>1862568
>Thank Jimmy Carter
Is this the old "Thanks Obama"?

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>>1862568
Remember to take your pills, old man

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>>1860755
Reminder that OP's picture is a proven fake. Pic related is accurate.

Reminder that economy class air travel has always been shit and uncomfortable.

>>1862588
People still dressed nice though, and stewardesses actually had to be pleasant. Also if you were a kid you could go meet the pilot and he'd give you a toy/model airplane+ pilot wings pin.

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>>1862568

Shit was monopolistic and expensive so they threw in lobster dinners and sexy stewardesses to make people happy. Now it's cheaper and poor people can afford it but the quality of service declined to reflect the lower price. Increased mobility is always better for society but people will still bitch about flying as if it's an ordeal and pretend that airplanes are torture chambers.

>>1860755
planes never looked like that, those were promotional pictures and concepts

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>>1860778
-t dumbass retard


There are more commercial flight regulation now than there ever was. Cheapening of the flight came due to competition in the field, advances in manufacturing, mass usage of air flight, advances in fuel economy, etc. If you want to travel in style, there are still those available. Pics related, first class. Air planes are divided down to first class/business class/economy class.

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>>1860755

Oh boy look at all the butthurt leftcuck and marxist cretins ITT whining about capitalism lowering the cost of flight and enabling millions of people to travel and see the world

Are all marxists and leftcucks mentally ill? Should they all be gassed?

>>1862963
Yes lol. All leftist are incapable of critical or abstract thought. Of any degree.

I come to this board about once a month and then I remember why I left.

>>1860755
Daily reminder in-flight meals were fuck-worse before.

Motherfuckers just served donuts and sandwiches.

>>1862952
It is true though in the context of minimum standards.

You're also correct that competition helped, but at least in the context of the United States there were legal restrictions on competition, price controls on tickets as well as restrictions on routes etc.

Legislation on safety, security and other areas is certainly higher than it has been in the past, but rules on competition are significantly less burdensome.

Obviously advances in technology have reduced costs too, but that was, at least until the recent price drop, largely offset by the almost monotonic year over year rise in fuel prices.

The conclusion that now you can basically pay for whatever level of service you want is correct now - the minimum ticket price is a fraction of what it was, which for most people is more important than the service quality.

>>1862300
Have you ever interacted with a woman in real life? Or have you only heard of them through legends and such?

>>1862291
Not really we don't. A quick educated guess would be because frustrated faggots like you allow them. Why you're not holding their hands is another good question

>>1862291
Not the other guy, but if you dress like a whore, expect to be treated like a whore

>>1863092
>baring shoulders is dressing like a whore
lmao ok oliver cromwell

>>1863109
Showing off tits/ass/vag is dressing like whore. Obviously its a scale, the more you show, the more whorish you look. Therefore more people will treat you like a whore.

Its not rocket science. You show sexual stuff to people, people treat you like sexual shit.

>>1863114
>Showing off tits/ass/vag is dressing like whore. Obviously its a scale, the more you show, the more whorish you look. Therefore more people will treat you like a whore.
Last I went to town, most of the girls weren't baring their breasts, arse or vagina. They had them covered.
This isn't even getting into the fact that things like breasts don't need to be seen as inherently sexual. Nudity can exist in numerous non-sexual contexts for example.

>>1863119
>Last I went to town, most of the girls weren't baring their breasts, arse or vagina. They had them covered.
Then those aren't the issue, is it? You're just butthurt for no reason.

>>1863128
The original point was to do with someone lamenting the loss of 'better times' where women dressed more modestly.
I'm pointing out that women still dress relatively normally.
I noticed that you didn't even address my second point.

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>You will NEVER travel with this

>>1863137
>I'm pointing out that women still dress relatively normally.
Thats not what your previous comment was about.

>>1862295
Do you know what that word even means, retard?

>>1862963
looks like someone got triggered.
>>>/pol/

I wouldn't be afford to fly anywhere if it were still only for the priveleged elite. I don't dress up in a suit, but I don't fly in pajamas either.

Flying isn't that bad, the flight attendents are polite as long as you aren't being a ridiculous asshole.

>>1863128
Honestly, you sound like the butthurt one here.

>breasts don't need to be seen as inherently sexual.
Why spoil the fun though?

I go to saunas once every few months or so. Mixed nudity is the norm. It's not really erotic when everyone from 16-80 is letting it all hang out, but I'd also be lying if I said I never copped a glance at a particularly nice set of tits, vag or (female) butt cheeks, or never had a semi, or never sometimes later fapped to the thought of a nice pair of tits/lips. Everyone sneaks a peek sometimes.

>>1863213
Nice false equivalence there brah.


I don't have a problem with women dressing however they want. The problem seems to be women don't want the associated stigma attached to it. You dress like a whore, you are a whore, quintessentially.

>>1862216
topkek maybe the feminists had a point

>>1863217
Who said I was trying to an equivalency at all?

You are genuinely deluded if you think spouting logi-babble means anything while still blurting out 'hurrrr durrrr whores'.

>>1862963
>People complaining about people not dressing comfortably
>People dreaming about the good ol' times in America, where only good white people could fly

>leftcuck and marxist cretins

Are you sure you are on the right board?

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>>1863318
>where only good white people could fly
fuck off /leftypol/
There were entire airlines available for nogs to use

>>1863367
>Yea, If totally miss the point of argument, that'll show him

I'm going to call your daddy, Loys Lelievre.

>>1860778
>>1861257
it was the same in my country until recently.

>>1863367
>jamaica
>country full of black people
>official airlines has said people employed
dumbass.
I bet you complain about the number of oromiyas on ethiopian airlines too.

>>1862216
Asians and Arabs still do this.

>tfw you will never fuck the shit of some lonely air stewardess whose ovulating

>>1862568
Is this some shitty attempt of a poem?

>>1863839
source?

>>1862229
8 is the only right choice

>>1863879
His ass.

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>>1863091
Not even sure what you're suggesting here.

>>1862229
13

>>1860755

the bottom line and customers still paid for services regardless of how shitty those services were.

>>1862440
If you make a fancy ass bus with limited seating and high price you will go out of business. No one will pay for that. Same with flights. Cheap tickets sell seats.

>>1862242
>the whole "coffee, tea, or me?" thing.
Wait you could copulate with the stewardesses?

>>1862229
rolllliiiinnngggg

>>1862229
13 or 18.

>>1862291
T. Beta and proud of it

>>1860755
Consumer reports just did an issue on this exact thing. You should pick up a copy.

If I remember it was fuel prices

>>1862595
So, do you like movies about Gladiators?

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>>1860755
The biggest reasons for it going 'shit 'are:

1) Deregulation and privatisation - allowing more airlines into the market with different routes, private airport operators jacking up prices of fees and services.

2) The advent of low cost carriers - lower fares meant cutting costs elsewhere and a race to the bottom ensuing.

3) Wider availability and affordability of air travel to the masses - direct effect of 1 and 2, and the greatest reason for having people dressing like slobs and acting like scum on planes. They also are the ones most likely to bitch about the decline of service and demand more for less, but would not have been able to afford air travel decades earlier.

4) High operating costs - aviation is a 'skin of the teeth' industry where often it's impossible to turn a profit, and as a result everything is calculated so that they can reap the greatest profit (eg you could have faster flights at a greater fuel burn or cheaper flights for a length pax will put up with, more paying passengers or greater legroom, etc). If I remember correctly, at a typical airport in Australia an A380 will cost millions of dollars in fees alone to just takeoff, add to that other costs like oil prices and it becomes a very expensive endeavour.

5) Government interference - still an issue in some countries more than others, examples include governments blocking certain airlines from lucrative routes, onerous rules and regulations which have little benefit, bowing to a vocal minority of the populace (eg residents living near an airport that has been in operation for decades), and an outright hostile relationship between the regulator and the industry.


While the changes might be most apparent to people in terms of service levels, the employees in the industry have also been negatively affected by all of the above things so that their experience is only shadow of what it was decades ago.

I can answer more questions or give more examples if anyone wants.
t. has an ATPL

>>1860755
9/11 is the reason it went to shit. Before that air travel was mostly painless.

>>1868881
>>1860755
I'm sick of cucks blaming things on 9/11. It has nothing to do with 9/11. It is the pants on head retarded RESPONSE to 9/11 and cucks like you condoning it that cause the problem.

The odds of being the victim of a terrorist attack are lower than the odds of being struck by lightning, but because our fucking enlightened Western society is ruled by "men" no better than frightened hens we panic and add all these regulations and "Security" measures like NSA and shit to give spineless fearmongers peace of mind. Pathetic.

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>>1868900
Some 9/11 security measures were good, like the reinforced doors to cockpits. Although there needs to be a revision to it due to the number of pilot suicides where one has locked the other out and then deliberately crashed.

>>1868900
It has something to do with 9/11 you moron, because it vastly increased security and TSA presence.

I don't know about you, but standing in line for hours only to be groped by a 350 pound woman for "my safety", does not make air traveling comfortable, and neither does it make anyone safe. It's literally just illusory.

99% of what they catch is contraband or drugs anyway, because as you say, the odds of being the victim of a terrorist attack are ridiculously small, and yet people like you think this shit is necessary.

>>1868910
I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS NECESSARY MOTHERFUCKER

I'm in favor of removing 95% of security measures. Use the Israeli "racist" screening methods instead of the current TSA shitshow. It was the panicked cuck reaction that ruined everything.

>>1868910
>muh TSA
Entirely an American problem

>>1868915
>Entirely an American problem

Not at all. I'm not American, and I've experienced it in several European countries(not my own admittedly).

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>>1868933
The TSA itself and a lot of the bitching that goes on about them (eg multiple hour long lines, being fondled by black women, etc) is mostly American.

I'm not American either and have traveled a lot, and I can say the most painful part in most places is actually border control (they never ever seem to have more than a handful of staff on).

>>1868906
>due to the number of pilot suicides where one has locked the other out and then deliberately crashed.
Commercial pilot suicides resulting in the deaths of passengers (or civilians on the ground) are few and far between. Obviously, there have been a few high-profile cases in the last few years. The Germanwings pilot being the most sensational. We do not know why the Malaysia airlines plane went missing or if it had anything to do with the pilot (all known evidence suggests the pilot and co-pilot were both happy and balanced family men, with no debts or quarrels or known history of mental illness).

It's pretty unlikely, thankfully. A policy of basically never leaving the cockpit alone with one person seems to be the best solution.

>>1862435
>vodka on the rocks
Is that a thing?

>>1868960
>be me
>non-European
>waiting to board flight at Frankfurt
>it's early August, so tourist high-season, huge line-ups everywhere
>have to go through border control, even though it's a 10 second rubber-stamp process
>huge line-up
>about 30 minutes later, I'm within 7-8 people of the agent
>suddenly the agent stands up, stretches, puts a sign up saying "booth closed" and leaves the booth
>entire loan groans
>everyone standing there for several seconds, hoping someone else will come in
>agent at the booth over shrugs and gives an aggressive/annoyed wave of the hand like "SO GO TO THE NEXT LINE, SHEESH!"
>which means everyone has to join the end of another massive line
>another 30 minutes later, finally get through
>run to my gate, which as luck has it is one of the furthest away (international flight)
>plane had left 10 minutes ago

And that's how I missed my flight. At the gate they claimed they paged my name several times, like it makes a difference. I explained what happened and I think I was obviously upset/flustered but they were annoyed and basically had a "too fucking bad" attitude. The Lufthansa douchenozzles said missing the flight was legally "my fault" and therefore there was nothing they could do.

In the end, I was forced to take a flight the next day, paying the difference in fees plus a change fee, which totalled about $400. had to spend a night in a hostel, too. Honestly, I've tried to avoid Lufthansa ever since. Cunts.

>>1869143
The alcoholics choice, m8. Pure cold ethanol.

>>1869139
Silk Air 185 (1997)
Egypt Air 990 (1999)
LAM Mozambique 470 (2013)
Germanwings 9525 (2015)

Every single one of them occurred with one pilot in the cockpit who locked out the other one and then crashed them. In fact the LAM one's voice recorder picked up the crew trying to break their way back in to the cockpit.

>>1863945
They do it for Japanese Starbucks and McDonalds.

So tired of this meme.

THE ONLY THING ABOUT FLYING THAT HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE IS THE SECURITY SCREENING PROCESS.

>But it's so expensive!

Airline travel has literally never been cheaper. Flights are HALF as expensive as they were 30 years ago.

>But muh dangerous terrorists!

Air travel is also literally ten times as safe as it was 30 years ago. That's not an exaggeration.

>But muh lost luxury and elegance!

You can still have that if you pay what people used to pay for the same thing. We call that "first class" now, and you don't use it because despite all your bitching, you'd rather pay a fraction of the price and be less comfortable for a few hours. What has changed is you've GAINED the option of frugal travel, which you have chosen to use because you're not one of the wealthy elite who were the only ones who could afford to fly in the "good old days."

So just buy your economy class seats, pop a pill and/or use your marvelous universal entertainment device, and shut the fuck up.

>>1860755
Rich upper class had to start sharing flights with dirty pesent

>>1860778
Airplanes are still highly regulated

>>1862144
Business makes a big difference for long flights. Fortunately work pays for it and I fly on a very frequent basis. Going back to economy sucks.

>>1862248
It is very nice. The shower is a nice perk but you can just shower in the First Class lounge in Dubai anyway.

>>1869588
seems like a meme. I can't imagine any circumstances under which I'd want to shower either at the airport lounge OR during the flight itself. I can't imagine why even how power businessmen wouldn't be able to shower at whatever hotel they're at before their flight.

Similar to the pajamas they hand out in super luxurious first class packages. I mean really do people actually bother putting them on?

>>1869602
I do use the PJs if I want to sleep. The shower is good once you wake up. You can shower, change from the PJs into a suit/whatever on the plane with Emirates and then head into the office fresh.

>>1869192
Prices used to be fixed by the government. There was no competition in pricing so the airlines had to get customers by affording the highest quality service to their passengers, or at least higher than their competitors. When price controls were rolled back it was a race to the bottom.

>>1869656

Which made flights much cheaper, which is what people actually want more than high quality service.

>>1862595
I remember going to the cockpit and getting the pilot wings.

>>1868960
Fuck Heathrow Terminal 5.

>>1860755

plebs started flying in greater numbers, shit got cramped.

>>1862216

holy fuck imagine the absolute shitstorm this would cause today

>>1863839

>get on Emirates flight
>only stewardesses
>they are all white and attractive

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>>1869602
Having a shower between longhaul flights is a godsend. I typically do an 8hr leg and then a 14hr leg travelling between Australia and Europe, stopping in Singapore. If there's enough time I will always try to have a shower in the lounge in Singapore - it wakes you up and makes you feel less shit for the next segment.

Last year I did Australia -> Singapore -> Frankfurt -> NY and had showers in both layovers; can't imagine how much worse I'd have felt doing that without them.

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>>1869706
Fuck Heathrow in general

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>>1862568
are you going to end up shooting a pimp?

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>>1862963
>Are all marxists and leftcucks mentally ill? Should they all be gassed?

yes

>>1869970
>complaining about the decline in quality of a service means you're a communist
why are right wing retards so retarded?

>>1866855
have you ever seen a grown man naked?

>>1869154
Yes, and there are several more. Tragic and selfish of course. But still, out of hundreds of thousands of flights in the same time period, the odds are extremely low, lower than hijackings.

>>1869970
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>>1862229
okey dokey

>>1860778
>Something goes mainstream
>We want the casual audience
>We are dumbing down things for the general populace
>That something goes to shit
Every single time.

And people wonder why people are so defensive about the things they like.

>>1862291
man you're a sad little cuck

>>1870232
Seems like they're more common than hijackings post 9/11 thanks to the security doors and changed pilot procedures