>DUDE HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF LMAO >it clearly doesn't

>biological evolution is the same as history


gtfo outta here

>>1855467
>implying America isn't living out the last days of the Roman Empire

>>1855467
It doesn't exactly repeat itself no but there are trends by which the course of the history of human civilisation tend to follow.

>>1855467
we still have to deal with the fucking Mongols though. explain that

>DUDE HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF LMAO
>Humans have a strong recognition for patterns and order

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>History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes
-Albert Einstein

>>1855565
isn't that tesla?

>>1855572
No

[spoiler]yes[/spoiler]

>>1855572

Yeah, pretty sure that anon was just having a laugh

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>>1855500
>implying that America isn't living out the last days of the Roman Republic

>>1855500
If Murika is 4th Rome, shouldn't it have at least a few hundred years of prosperity if it only recently transitioned into Empire-like state

>>1855605

Law of diminishing returns

I just listened to the episode of Hardcore History in which James Burke basically claimed that history up until 150-200 years ago is fucking irrelevant to our understanding of humanity because vast majority of humans were illiterate and power basically just fell to the lucky dozen of talents who wielded most tools. He also said that dark ages are a stupid concept, since, again, for 99% of population the world before and after Rome stayed the same. Is this absolute madman right?

>>1855592
Spooky... or perhaps glorious?

>>1855500
So sick of this retarded analogy. Maybe I missed the history class where they talked about Rome establishing international legal and financial institutions and achieving economic hegemony over the entire world through advanced capitalist trade policies.

>>1855615
He's an idiot. The specter of the Roman Empire still haunted Europe throughout the Middle Ages in the form of the Catholic Church, which pulled millions of people out of illiteracy and began to establish the borders for the nation-states we see today.

>>1855500
>Implying it's not the Republic instead
>Implying the American Empire isn't on it's way

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>history repeats itself
>history is written by the victors
>they won't teach you this in the history books
>what your history teacher DIDN'T tell you...
>to this day I still mourn the library of alexandria
I hate normies

>>1855709
>to this day I still mourn the library of alexandria

That shit sucked though, why is it normie shit to want ancient scrolls to survive?

I want to read all the shit that has been lost to time.

>>1855709
>>history is written by the victors
are you implying this is false?
why do you think mccarthyism has a negative connotation?

>the civil war was about states' rights

It does in a spenglerian sense.

>>1855615

I disagree with him, but that said I do think history in the last 150-200 years has altered course pretty radically.

The massive leap in science and technology since the 1800s is unprecedented.

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>"Dude agriculture was such a great idea lmao"

>>1855711
Because we literally don't know what's in it. The Alexandrians seized every book or scroll of every ship that docked, you're most likely to be reading ledgers and shitty plays than Homer or Aristophanes

>>1855800

It's keeping you a live pretty well

>>1855820
The destruction of the Baghdad house of wisdom is the real tragedy.

>childhood is when cheer on the mongols destruction of mauxzleums
>adulthood is when you realize what was lost

>>1855718
Germans lost WW1, yet all their memes ("we didnt start it", "Versailles was harsh") have become mainstream history

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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
He was talking about people continuing to make the same mistakes if they choose to ignore what worked and didn't in the past.

>>1855843
How they lost without any enemy soldier passing their frontiers

>>1856008
Wait what? The French were occupying a stretch of Alsace from 1914 onwards, and at the rate of the Foch offensive, the Germans would've retreated en masse in the mere weeks to follow.

Unless you were adding unto the other anon's point, rather than countering it?

>>1856008
By getting their asses kicked relentlessly and suing for peace as enemy armies got closer and closer to their border.

>>1855467
History doesn't repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes a lot.

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>>1855820
>most likely to be reading ledgers and shitty plays than Homer or Aristophanes
>implying that isn't still an important part of history
>implying the library has no great works despite also being home to scholars and philosophers
>implying there is no 'what could have been' in not knowing the extent of what was lost


>mfw christfags downplaying the importance of the library

>>1855770
I always thought this was technically true, since the states wanted to preserve their rights to own slaves.
Well, the rich slave-owners in any case.

>>1855605
technology causes everything to speed up, what used to take 1000 years to happen, now only needs about 200.

>>1855711
Barely anything important was lost, most of it was copied or moved.

Also the library wasn't cataclysmically destroyed, it decayed gradually and reduced in importance over time. By the time it was burned down there were no books in it.

Also there's still a library there in the exact same spot. You can go to Alexandria and visit it, if that's your thing.

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>>1855800
>anprims

>>1855820

>ledgers of every ship that docked in ancient Alexandria

Oh yeah sure, nothing interesting at all then...

>>1855565
>History rhymes

Pottery

>>1856744
What's wrong with anarcho-primitivism?

>>1857074

Other than everything?

>>1857078
What everything? Pre-civilised societies are way more equal and less violent. Not to mention they don't destroy their natural environment.

>>1857088

I trust you have some amazing citations for that?

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>>1855467
You sure about that?

>>1857096
Just read some John Zerzan and educate yourself.

>>1855500
Fucking this, the only thing left in Americas place when she's gone is our bankers that destroyed it

>>1857110

>philosopher and author

Oh, not an archaeologist or historian then?

>>1857088
>more equal
>less violent
So women having little to no rights (and obviously slaves) and tribes being in war nearly all the time is somehow equal and peacful?

>>1855500
When was the last time we had a civil war?

>>1857140
That would be pre-industrial cultures, not pre-agrarian ones.

>>1855770
how can you not believe this?

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>>1855467
>DUDE HISTORY IS PROGRESSIVE LMAO
>western civilization is clearly following the same pattern of decline as every other civilization in history

>>1857255
There was no civilization prior to western civilization, the chinese aren't human

>>1857255
""""""""""""""""decline"""""""""""""""""

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Discuss

>>1855647
When trump losses and forms a militia to over throw the American government. Will he be our Cesar?

>>1857363
More like Sulla

>>1857270
>Ottoman Empire
>1570
>Fall

What?

>>1857270
really makes me think

some of those dates may be cherrypicked, I donno. What happened to the Roman Empire in 180?

Did the Ottomans truly peak in 1570? They still held out (shittily) for a long time after that

>>1857364
>>1857363
>shady businessman
>got rich via real estate
>thinks his wealth somehow means he would be a good politician
>Super opportunistic
Trump is a 1:1 modern rewriting of Crassus in many ways.

>>1855800
Go live in the woods and realize how much it sucks.

>>1857374
180 is when Marcus Aurelius, last of the Five Good Emperors died and Commodus succeeded him. I don't think Rome really got its teeth kicked in until about the 230s though.

>>1857270
Assyria lasted nearly 2 thousand years.
My neurons remain unfired.

>>1857868
It shows the peak of civilizations, not their total length.

>>1857876
Assyria had more than one peak over said 2 thousand years.

>>1857270

>USA was formed in 1776
>Average year for that data set is 238
>Add 1776+238= 2014

I believe it. Maybe if we stop making ghey music like TALK TO ME BBZ CAKE BY THE OCEAN then we might last longer.

>>1857916
USA didn't start to rise to relevance until mid 1800s/early 1900s

>nazi germany wasn't rome 2.0

>>1857927

>nazi germany wasn't rome 2.0

What did he mean by this?

>>1857927
>THIRD REICH
>THIRD

>>1857936
no

>>1857363
Trump (and bernie) are more like proto-gracchi then caesar. Our caesar is probably not even alive yet.

>>1857270
Also, every "unified" Chinese dynasty lasted on the order of 200-300 years.

>>1857369
They probably meant the rising period of each empire not when tey actually dissolved.

>>1855605
>shouldn't it have at least a few hundred years of prosperity if it only recently transitioned into Empire-like state

>recently

America had colonies for well over a hundred years now

>>1855770
Not so subtle bait.

>>1857270
Sure Achamaenid Empire only lasted 'til Alexander. Greeks lost their independence to Rome in about the 2nd century BC. Roman Republic and Roman Empire should count as the same "nation". Also Rome continued on long after 180. Eastern part didn't fall until 1204/1453/1461. Ottoman golden age should be 1453-1683. Romanov Russia was followed by a USSR made stronk under Stalin, but yeah, that declined rapidily in the 70s-90s. I think the selection of great powers could've been more extensive. Also putting some kind of "historical law" of great powers being great only for 200-250 years is rubbish historicism.

>>1857255
>civilization
>existing before western civilization
WE WUZ

>>1855467
it does

the current """refugee""" crisis is the prelude of the 376 gothic war

>In the summer of 376, a massive number of Goths arrived on the Danube River, the border of the Roman Empire, requesting asylum from the Huns.[3] They came in two distinct groups: the Thervings led by Fritigern and Alavivus, and the Greuthungi led by Alatheus and Saphrax.[4] Eunapius states their number as 200,000 including civilians, but Peter Heather estimates that the Thervings may have had only 10,000 warriors and 50,000 people in total, with the Greuthungi about the same size.[5] The Cambridge Ancient History places modern estimates at around 90,000 people total.[6]


>"""refugees""" at your border
>help them over with boats and vessels
>your welfare system can't handle all of them
>once inside they're asking for more and more and more until they chimp out and rape, murder and steal
>some years later they sack your capital and mark the destruction of your nation

>>1857088
No society is egalitarian. Patriarchy is literally universal and endemic warfare was common among hunter gatherers. Human hunter-gatherers caused mass megafauna extinction everywhere they went. Native Americans were not elves.

>>1857255
Virtually everyone thinks it's getting better except old people, smelly hippies and /pol/tards.

>>1859284
what is getting "better"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g

the only thing that has changed since a few years back is the mass increase of censorship and invaders into delusional western countries, none with are positive

>>1855467
Never heard that one before

>>1855467
>it clearly doesn't
>it actually does

>>1857916
>These kids and their newfangled music are ruining our country

Time for bed, gramps

>>1857919
Correct. According to this model, America has about one century of greatness left.

According to Spengler the entirety of the West will be dissolved by the 24th century

>>1859284
Most of the West has been in decline since 2001 or 2008

>>1855622
Definitely glorious.

>>1860322
>Spengler
He took all his data straight from his ass. You might as well ask some random hobo for some input.

>>1857088
You're comically wrong on every point.

>>1857146

Black Lives Matter

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>>1856699


This

Honestly history is way too political charged to be looked at objectively. It's literally useless now.

>>1860743
A cancerous minority of a cancerous minority acting cancerous is not a Civil War anon.

History does repeat itself.
People were fucking retarded then just like they are in this thread right now.

>>1855517
Exactly, I would compare it to Π. It seems to repeat itself eventually but ultimately it is random.

>>1860851
It's fun

>>1855791
>It does in a spenglerian sense.
Spengler is the freud of history. Complete unscientific muh feels bullshit. It will take decades to remove his cancerous influence.

>>1857255
>>western civilization is clearly following the same pattern of decline as every other civilization in history
[citation needed]

>>1856765
Do you mourn every mag that gets tossed in the can?

The vast majority of writing isn't really that noteworthy. The very noteworthy stuff would likely have been copied many times over and be read in many different places. So, the best stuff the library had probably survived elsewhere and the stuff that didn't probably wasn't that good. Maybe we just lost some classical memes.

>>1859279
>Patriarchy is literally universal
Some societies are avuncul-centric rather than pater-centric.

>>1857255
>western civilization

>>1861103
There are matrifocal and matrilineal societies, but even in these cultures political and religious power is held by men.

>>1859668
Yeah because western censorship was totally non existent in the victorian era, the world wars and the cold war. Piss off, nigger. I even daresay censorship isn't the sole metric by which a society can be judged and posting a youtube video about CNN proves fuck all about the overall state of society.

>>1860330
le wrong generation xd

>>1861901
>>>/pol/

>>1855592
>>1855622
>>1860338
>Mike Pence and Billy Bush betray Trump and stab him to death, sparking an armed conflict between them and Sam Hyde

>>1857439
I just lived in the woods yesterday and it was pretty fun

>>1857439
People stay in the woods for fun literally all the time.

>>1857270
The last 2 generations have been extra long, and the us became good in the lateish 1800s so there is still plenty of time on the clock

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>>1855572

No, it's Issac Newton after decades of heroin abuse.

>>1855636
But anon...

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>>1855843

History isn't written by the victors. It's written by the losers that can hold a grudge long enough for the winners to stop caring.

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>>1861901
>He fell for the alt-right meme

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>>1861901
>alt-right
>"Fascism works"
Hahaha what? Alt-rightist think fascism is neoliberal, like Pinochet.

>>1862036
And herein lies the provblem:

No one adopted the moniker of "alt-right" until people made it up as some sort of boogeyman, and as such the interpretation of what it means to be "alt-right" varies drastically from person to person.

>>1855770
I like how people always bring this up. Yeah, it was sort of about states rights, in terms of slavery...until Dred Scott. People don't talk about how the Southern states were suddenly fine with flaunting the rights of Northern states so they could get their runaway slaves back. Hypocrites.

>>1855467
It's more like "humans have been doing the whole society thing for a while, so pick up a book and you might notice some useful patterns and ways to avoid their mistakes."

>>1862058
There's literally an alt-right website called the Alternative Right you sperg, and it predates popular usage of the term. Besides, nobody cares how you want to be labelled if you're a neo-nazi dipshit that throws slurs around constantly

>the nazis were the most evil people to have ever lived!
a classic

>>1855500
Its Germany. Murrica was always a joke and couldn't do shit without europe interference all the time

>>1861692
the difference is that """censorship""" back then actually amounted towards something good for the nation, while censorship now is governments either surpressing news and facts about the ethnical cleansing of their own nations or installing dictators in their """democratic""" election

neck yourself nigel