Can someone help me with my Pike fetish?

>>1852964


>Am i deranged? Can some freud help me?

You associate not only sexual potency, but martial prowess with a dense thicket of long, phallic objects, slowly and inexorably advancing on some sort of direction to penetrate an object.

The wall of spears, of course, represents not a single penis, but a massed formation of many penises. That you feel sexual excitement from seeing the wall of pikes, not being in it, suggests that you wish to see such a wall of pikes/penises advance towards you.


tl;dr, you are gay and wish to have about 256 men ride a train on you.

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>>1852964
You have been visited by the Scottish Schiltron. Your spears will be strong and charging cavalry will be skewered but only if you reply "stay strong laddie" to this post

>>1852964
Here, have some fine Swiss pikes: https://www.nationalmuseum.ch/sammlung_online/?lauftext=&sID=69&numOf=30&detailID=162542

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>>1852979
>Only 256

Why not 12,000, all looking like Georg?

>Tfw you will never reenact pavia and destroy the traitorous black band.

Anyways, thanks Sigmund!

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>>1852964
Despite popular imagination pikes were actually decent one on one dueling weapons. Several military manuals mention pikes (12-18 feet) are good weapons if you only got to deal with a single person. I've read an account or two of landsknecht era officers of different armies dueling with pikes and they supposedly did it better than most nobles.

Another thing is that pikes when fitted with the right type of head can be decent at hurting armored people. Plutarch mentions that Pre-Marian reform era Roman soldiers got skewered on pikes despite having shields and mail armor. Even by the late middle ages and Renaissance some writers mentioned their ability to penetrate plate armor when wielded skillfully. At 10 pounds in weight they can have quite some momentum when driven forward with a strong stroke.

>>1853010
>Despite popular imagination pikes were actually decent one on one dueling weapons. Several military manuals mention pikes (12-18 feet) are good weapons if you only got to deal with a single person.
Source please

>>1853010
>>1853014
We actually tried pike in 1 vs 1 in HEMA training, and it was dead fucking last, even a guy with a dagger managed to get the pike guy.

>>1853018
What if you choke up on the pike?

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>>1853014
George Silver and Blaise de Montluc. Though one should be careful when listening to the former.

>>1853018
Even 12 feet pikes?

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>>1853018
According to >>1853010 's picture the pike was mostly useful with the weight and unity brought from the Macedonian shields, so i'd imagine 1 on 1 isnt thgat fair for a single pikeman.

Also >>1853010 Post source. Sounds interesting, 1 on 1 pike duels.

>theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGz_SqyEJ-Y

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>>1853038
Working on it.

>>1853036
>Even 12 feet pikes?
We tried 5m (16+feet) because that is what most the pikes around here in the old armories have.
When the guy is alone, it is so easy to get behind the point, and then just hold the shaft down, walk up, hit.
Even Grimmelshausen said about pikes they are useless alone:
"„Und dannenhero glaube ich daß der jenige der einen Piquenirer nidermacht (den er sonst verschonen köndte) einen unschuldigen ermordet / und solchen Todtschlag nimmermehr verantworten kan; dann ob dise arme Schiebochsen (mit disem Spöttischen Namen werden sie genennet) gleich creirt seyn / ihre Brigaden vor dem Einhauen der Reutter im freyen Feld zubeschützen / so thun sie doch vor sich selbst niemand kein Leid / und geschicht dem allererst recht / der einem oder dem anderen in seinen langen Spies rennet. Jn Summa ich habe mein Tage viel scharpffe Occasionen gesehen / aber selten wahrgenommen / daß ein Piquenirer jemand umgebracht hette.“"

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>>1853048
still working on it.

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>>1853060
The short staff or half pike, forest bill, partisan, or glaive, or such like weapons of perfect length, have the advantage against the battle axe, the halberd, the black bill, the two handed sword, the sword and target, and are too hard for two swords and daggers, or two rapier and poniards with gauntlets, and for the long staff and morris pike.

The long staff, morris pike, or javelin, or such like weapons above the perfect length, have advantage against all manner of weapons, the short staff, the Welch hook, partisan, or glaive, or such like weapons of vantage excepted, yet are too weak for two swords and daggers or two sword and bucklers, or two rapiers and poniards with gauntlets, because they are too long to thrust, strike, and turn speedily. And by reason of the large distance, one of the sword and dagger-men will get behind him.

The Welch hook or forest bill, has advantage against all manner of weapons whatsoever.

Yet understand, that in battles, and where variety of weapons are, among multitudes of men and horses, the sword and target, the two handed sword, battle axe, the black bill, and halberd, are better weapons, and more dangerous in their offense and forces, than is the sword and buckler, short staff, long staff, or forest bill. The sword and target leads upon shot, and in troops defends thrusts and blows given by battle axe, halberds, black bill, or two handed swords, far better than can the sword and buckler.

The morris pike defends the battle from both horse and man, much better than can the short staff, long staff, or forest bill. Again the battle axe, the halberd, the black bill, the two handed sword, and sword & target, among armed men and troops, by reason of their weights, shortness, and great force, do much more offend the enemy, & are then much better weapons, than is the short staff, the long staff, or the forest bill.

>>1853057
Did you hold it halfway down the shaft like pic related >>1853075

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>>1853075
More people using the pike in dispersed manner.

>>1853075
And again, I do not fully trust Silver, he wrote so much bullshit and none of his claims are made by masters on the continent.
Joachim Meyer has a full chapter on fighting with the long pike, an on several occasions he reminds that closing the distance is fatal for the pike.

>>1853082
We tried different grips, the conclusion was, it is not fast enough to go against a single guy. The small pike head will only work for thrusts, and because it is a long and heavy weapon it is really easy to get behind the point, and then you got the lever on your side.
We also did a formation simulation for fun, we only had 4 pike wasters so not that serious testing, but things get much more complicated once you get double or triple tagged.

However, I am convinced, pikes are the best to keep cavalry at bay, thats why the Swiss used them together with their halberdiers and later on they where used with pike and shot.

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>>1853136
Fair enough.

>>1852964
nothing wrong with a pike bro, keils fucked people shit good

>>1852979

>Lay down your anal virginity!

>Come and take it.

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>>1852964

>>1852964
Pikes are the fucking best.
>Slow and lacking manouverability
The Swiss used them extremely aggressively, they actually charged with pikes.
"When threatened the square could point all of the pikes at the enemy forces and merely move inexorably toward its target. All these considerations aside, the primary strength of the Swiss pike formation lay in its famous charge, a headlong rush against the enemy with leveled pikes and a coordinated battle cry. At Nancy, the Swiss routed the Burgundians, and Charles himself died in the battle. This success was repeated on various European battlefields, most remarkably in the early battles of the Italian Wars."
>inefficient at killing
You try fighting several pikes per person, see how it goes.

How did the, for example Landsknecht regiments organize themselves? Like, what sort of different officers/roles they have?

There was the leader of the whole thing, there was the i guess enforcer/executioner/such and what else?

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>>1854376
Classic swiss tactic was to organize their forces into huge formations called Gewallthaufen, containing 5000-7'000 men each and be up to 50 ranks deep. Normal order of battle was 3 formations, a vanguard, a main and a rear Haufen. Each Haufen was made up from heavily armored pike men on the front and sides 6-8 ranks deep, the rest was made from Halberds and swordsmen which where slightly lighter armored. They had a good supplement of crossbow or arquebus armed skirmishers in front and between them and a small cavalry detachment which was used for scouting and messenger role mostly.
Apparently the swiss used drums and horns for signaling and coordination, and this is what enabled them to maneuver their formations in close order and high pace over the field of battle. The where virtually immune to cavalry attack thanks to the pikes and the missile weapons of their time didn't bother them to much, helmet, breastplate and tight formation apparently gave enough protection if you where moving fast enough.

From around 1300 to around 1500 this was unmatched and the Swiss remained unbeaten, after that firearms tipped the scale and pike and shot and combined arms of cavalry and field artillery became the standard.

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LANDSCHNECKT vs SWISS MERCENARIES

Such a shit that they called it "bad war".

>>1854729
Where'd you get the info? I'm interested in starting a Swiss reenactors club and I'm looking for good sources.

>>1854742
Do you speak German?

>>1854744
Ein bisschen.
Auch Swiitzerdüütch,

>>1854752
V. Schmidtchen, Kriegswesen im späten MA, 1990
V. Friedrich, Kriegskunst zu Fuss, 1619
H.R. Kurz, Schweizerschlachten, 1977
Beglinger, Rudolf/ Leutenegger Marco, A.R.: Die Stangenwaffen im Museum Altes Zeughaus Solothurn, Solothurn 2004, S. 61-67.
Tons of others. most those books are ultra rare to find and have a hefty price tag, so Swiss library system is your best option. Other than that I can hook you up with some swiss guys who are more knowledgeable on the subject.

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Pike combat has always reminded me of pic related.

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>>1852964
>The Macedonian Phalanx and the Landsknecht Keal are like seriously sexy to me. I dont know why i enjoy them

>>1852980
Girls in the picture depicting a medieval schiltron
>Not saved

>>1853136
>However, I am convinced, pikes are the best to keep cavalry at bay, thats why the Swiss used them together with their halberdiers and later on they where used with pike and shot.

Not him, but I disagree. When the Swiss were taking on heavy cavalry in the early days of their confederation, they were mostly halberdiers. It's only when they began to face tougher infantry fights that they slowly began phasing more pikes into their formations.

>>1854826
>He doesn't fantasize about bring a Rhineland villager called up for service in a moment of desperation alongside fellow civic-minded youths, including the cute village lasses who lost their fathers and brothers recently.

>>1855037
no, thats gay, the only youth i would have with me is younger men

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How does this picture make you feel?

>>1854293

What game is that?

>>1855311

Mount and Blade I would say, I suppose that he uses some mod.

>>1855311
>>1855333
Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword
Not a mod but a spin-off set in 17th century Eastern Europe

>>1855152
Good, because I know what it is and when it is and even know the name of the 3 guys.

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>>1855152
Extremely Happy. Bihanders are also my fetish.

>>1854826
It´s a fourteen your old laddy, a paige of Sir Donald Aryglle.

>>1855798
taking a 14 year old girl into a battle as a direct combatant, pretty sure that dident happen

>>1855816
I think he means it's a 14-year-old girl (male)

>>1852964
shove one up your ass.

>>1855834
ok that sounds more reasonable, but my previus viev stands
>Girl in pic not saved

>>1854826
That's not a girl, it's an incredibly handsome young man.

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>>1854784
>Hook anon up with some Swiss guys

At least take him to dinner first... jeez

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>>1855850
You right now

>>1855919
im not sure what you are refferring to, i dont save that pic becuse its suposed to be a medieval formation and if its a girl in it, that just ruins the pic for me, if it was a younger man it be no problem

>>1855931
Relax, I know here, she's a trap, everything is alright, technically it is a man.

>>1855945
but, shes a trap so that makes him a man,
so what is it, is it a guy or a girl becuse if its a guy i can save the pic but if its a girl i wont save becuse its suposed to be a medieval formation and then i would be stupid with girls in it, if its just a femenin guy thats ok too but it looks more like a girl

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>>1855966
>>1855834

>>1856025
What?

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>>1856242
>>1856242
>>1856242
>>1856242

>>1856263
??? i still dont get what you are trying to tell me

How the fuck has there not been a decent pike and shotte/30 years war style mod for mount and blade. It's a perfect era for it

>>1856441
there is, we've been over this a hundred times in /mbg/

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>>1856263

the girl is
>Just
>For
>Show
>MAN

>>1853057
What chapter is this in? I want to look it up in my translated version.

>>1852980
>women
>in the schiltron
>not in the schitchen

>>1855381
Who are they?

Pike and Shot campgains is pretty alright, but feels too board game-y. Has anyone played the italian wars mod for Medieval 2?

>>1857278
Adam Naef, Klein-Hans Kambli and Ulrich Denzler.

>>1857258
Hans Jakob Christoffel von Grimmelshausen: Der seltzame Springinsfeld, chapter 14

>>1857395
>Adam Naef, Klein-Hans Kambli and Ulrich Denzler

What did they do?

>source plz

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>>1857431
11th October 1531, the second Battle of Kappel, the newly reformed Zurich against the catholic inner Swiss cantons.
It was a fucking distaster, poor planning on Zurichs side lead to their position being outflanked and overrun, The reformator Zwingli killed, Zurichs banner carried by Hans Schwizer got lost and went into the fray and recovered the banner. The miniature you posted is a scene from that battle showing the moment when those guys stood for the banner. like many early modern battle drawings, different moments are shown in the same picture.
>catholics bumrush Zurich
>Zurich flees
>Schwizer loses the banner in the ditch
>Naef and friends cut trough the vanguard to retrieve the banner
The story is well known, because a banner is a big thing, Naef and Denzler both where granted eternal citizenship and received big estates, Kambli was made Vogt of Eglisau, so he got a whole town for himself.

http://www.zwingliana.ch/index.php/zwa/article/viewFile/2102/2012

History went in circles

Macedonian phalanx took over.

Roman Legions mobility defeated the phalanx's lack of flexibility

Germanic heavy cavalry ended the era of legions

Phalanxes regained popularity to deal with the super heavy cavalry of the Medieval era.

>>1853018
My experience as well, in the SCA, back in 1974.
Yeah, old guy.

>>1852980
stay strong laddie

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Is this historically accurate?

>>1857751
Fug they've finally made formations work? God I hope the cursor bug I've had past few versions is gone.

>>1857487

didn't Roman Auxiliary units use spears too?

was the pike the main weapon in the English Civil Wars/Wars of the Three Kingdoms?