Leftist Militias

>>1845051
For some reason a lot of modern day western leftists aren't big fans of firearms, manual labor, and roughing it in the wild.
Maybe it was the whole cult thing during the 60's, 70's and 80's souring them on it.
Maybe they're just a bunch of keyboard commandos who talk big on facebook but aren't willing to sacrifice a little comfort to back it up.

>>1845051

External identificatiom by the media as "right wing extremists" is automatic.

"Left wind extremists, usually minorities, tend to be introduced as 'people with a legitimate gripe.'"

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>>1845051
The black panthers, ZAPU/ZANU, the ANC and other such organisations were funded by the USSR and China to cause internal strife in the US where as right wing militias such as the KKK, national front and other such were formed by the people because they felt they weren't being heard.

>>1845064
>t. CIA

>>1845082
Why would the CIA fund communist organisations abroad and domestically during the cold war?

>>1845051
They were heavily suppressed for fear of being funded by the Soviets

>>1845059
I completely disagree, I think that organizations like BLM (if that's what you're referring to) are educate and therefor don't really represent a certain economic based system, as they are a one is she thing. Other than that, there aren't any real socialist organizations (in fear of being called a evil commie) while there are countless "patriots" who dress up in costumes and get ready for the race war that they want so badly.

>>1845106
Uneducated *

>>1845082
Regardless, that was the thought process of Western politicians at the time. There was a lot of post-war anger and discontent at the establishment, especially in Europe. We know there was heavy Soviet infiltration of Western governments.

>>1845106
Do you honestly believe a multi-ethnic/cultural society can work long term? Presumably you know a lot about history, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, Rome, Yugoslavia, can't you see from all the examples of failed multi-ethnic/cultural states that it isn't viable?
>grr people just need to get over their racism, dumb /pol/ack
Tribalism is ingrained in the very core fabric of humanity. If it wasn't then such things as borders would never have been drawn jn the first place.

>>1845108
He's right though.

>>1845114
Ancient Egypt civilization was mutlicultural and lasted thousands of years, even longer than western civilization has existed.

>>1845114
By your standards no society can work long-term. The Ottoman Empire lasted for centuries.

>>1845121
I'm not going to pretend I know anything about that as my knowledge of history is basically AD+.

>>1845086
The half-joke was that "The black panthers, ZAPU/ZANU, the ANC and other such organisations were funded by the USSR and China"
>According to CIA COINTELPRO Only
>Actual Black Panthers were US disgruntled Blacks who realized militancy was the best bet to actually advance civil rights in the US
>Or were they?

I don't think socialism can work unless the working class can find a common set of morals, ideas, ethics.. Etc. that's why I advocate for a more close bordered and isolationist society in general. Socialist societies and the idea of communes can work if they stay small and don't trod the oath of imperialism

>>1845131
Yeah, I figured this out a few seconds after I replied. It would have been a good joke, had I not been a socially introverted /pol/ack.

>>1845136
So you support socialism, within predefined groups of people, or, nations?

>>1845136
>I don't think socialism can work
>stopped reading there
>agreed
>good night

>>1845140
More or less that's what I'm trying to get at

>>1845144
National socialism?

>>1845104
>They were heavily suppressed for fear of being funded by the Soviets
Yes, and also because they were black and asking for rights and stuff. That shit never goes over well in the US.

>>1845151
Kek no; libertarian socialism with tougher borders and non interventionist shenanigans. Like America in the 1910's just scratch out the inhuman r aspects of capitalism.

>>1845153
Serious question, do leftists like yourself genuinely think the police just go round shooting black people for fun?

>>1845162
>libertarian
>socialism
wew
>libertarian
>tougher borders
WEW

>>1845163
Some probably do.

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>>1845059
this

the founder of the Oath Keepers said he was instantly labelled 'right-wing' and 'extremist' for founding a group that has no agenda other than to refuse to follow unconstitutional orders.

He's posited that if the pendulum swung the other way and conservatives ran things they'd start being labelled radical liberal extremists. We'll see, I guess.

>>1845163
>Lol I got called a leftist on 4chan
No, meine weiss bruder, it is a genuine fact that police go around shooting black because it is their job.

Some of them like their jobs, some of them hate it, but they seem to at least be competent at it, most of the time.

>>1845163
Speaking from personal experience, they tend to assume black people who actually dress and talk like black people are (violent) criminals.

t. son and grandson of former policemen

>>1845166
I could see how you could take that as an oxymoron with modern definitions. Revolutionary Catalonia is what I base my ideal
Society off of

Wasn't there an american gommie organization that blew up like 3-4 people during the 70s?

>>1845114
It depends on the culture. China has many ethnic groups, but all of these dynasties managed to keep their shit together. Singapore and Taiwan are good modern examples. /pol/ loves to point to Japan and than turns its cheek to this two countries.

The USA right now is an experiment of this. Its been going well so far. Most human beings are tribalistic, but they also prefer peace. A race war isn't going to happen. All of these black guys fantasizing about being like Shaka Zulu or all of these white guys fantasizing about being a templar knight are going to be disappointed.

If any great civil war happens. It most likely will be over resources.

>>1845177
The Weather Underground?
I don't think they actually managed to kill anyone though, they did blow themselves up, which is probably that "3-4 people" you were talking about.

>>1845177
>Its been going well so far
Are you kidding? Constant race riots, shootings, America has essentially been at war with itself for the last half century.

The thing I son't get about communism is why it's so eager to bting about "diverse" societies. Whether or not racial/tribalistic problems is besides the point, why would you actively seek out a multi-ethnic state?

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>>1845163
Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses

And also some of them are black tinstar dictators that love flaunting power over whitey. Shit happens.

IMO race is a smokescreen and it's all about class, just like fucking always. The sooner poor blacks and poor whites realize this the sooner the rich motherfuckers running the show can start shitting their pants, no matter their skin color.

>>1845183
I don't think many original communists did, and neither do I. Lenin and Marx understood the benefits of a homogeneous society and tended to be kind of racist. I just think that college liberal has turned communism into a SJW joke.

>>1845168
Why would they do that? They go to court just like everyone else, with a good chance of going down for murder. Why would they put themselves at risk like that?

>>1845171
It's not their job to shoot black people. If someone is waving a gun about then they're going to shoot them, regardless of what colour they are.

>>1845172
There are legitimate problems with gangs amongst the blacks though. They're right to be on their guard.

>>1845187
>sorry we shot your unarmed son, but to be fair the statistics were on our side

If they could just explain it like that, I bet we wouldn't even have BLM.

>>1845186
All communists, including Marx and Engels think racism is bad. I don't understand why, though. The best way to achieve better workers conditions is protectionism and strict border controls.

>>1845192
BLM lost all credibility when they started behaving as if a police officer shooting a black guy is never justified.

So pretty much since day one.

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>>1845193
the fact that you think 'protectionism' and 'strict border controls' equate to racism indicates to me that you have no economic reasons for those policies and plenty of stupid racist reasons for those policies, and that the only reason you bring up economics is to veil your true motivation for wanting those things.

>>1845187
>colour
>yuropoor detected
Do you even know the first thing about the
proud and distinguished history of unarmed black men being shot by white police in the US?

Granted, sometimes it is legit self defense, but the recent rise of bodycams is shedding light on what has been known in black communities for decades.

"I thought he had a gun, lol. Shoulda did what I told him, and he'd still be alive."

If only it were just a meme.

>>1845194
IIRC, people were saying that's what they were doing well before they actually started doing it.

>>1845187
Many get extremely light sentences or literally get away with murder. Maybe they're psychpaths? All they have to do is escalate a situation which gives them an excuse to kill due to 'self defense'.

>>1845051
>militia
You mean insurrectionists? They should be gunned down like the dogs they are, [then and now]

>>1845200
In most cases where someone is shot by the police, the shooting happened when there was an attack in process. You're lying.

>>1845202
Pretty much. BLM was out barely a week before "All Lives Matter" and "Blue Lives Matter" was there to reassert the status quo.

BLM is easy to discredit as a movement, but the underlying grievance is an irrefutable mathematical reality.

>>1845200
this

and part of the reason it's so notable is that we're getting this shit happening to white people too.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/12/16/cop-dui-suspect-shooting-california-orig-vstan.cnn

>he spent time looking around for his casing after he realized he fucked up
>he didn't tell other responders he had shot the suspect for like fifteen minutes afterward
>he wasn't charged

At fucking least someone at the cop station themselves had a shred of decency and dismissed him for that shit

we're strongly veering into /pol/ territory here, though.

So, Black Panthers and shit, man.

>>1845203
>extremely light sentences
Do you really consider "suspended with pay" a light sentence?

>>1845172
I tend to assume that people who wear firemen uniforms and talk like firemen are firemen. Maybe if they didn't want to be associated with being gang bangers, they wouldn't dress and act like gang bangers.

>>1845213
"suspended" means "coming back to work in two weeks"

"with pay" means "it's a free vacation for shooting a suspect".

>>1845214
That's how regular urban black people dress, though.

>>1845218
And a good majority of urban blacks are criminals.

>>1845220
>sorry we shot your unarmed son, but to be fair the statistics were on our side

Furthermore, sauce?

>>1845209
>we're strongly veering into /pol/ territory here, though.

It's been happening for more than 25 years, at least.

<sees socialist militia thread
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<reading with interest
<scroll have way down
<becomes petty fighting over police brutality and BLM
<everything just has to
Come down to this doesn't it

>>1845216
Yes, that was the joke.

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>>1845214
better not wear a black t-shirt and jeans then cracker

someone might think you're dressed like this here criminal

>it's a white college students project romantic revolutionary Marxism onto the black panthers and BLM when they're just organized black gangs trying to get gibsmedats and are the black equivalent of stormfront episode

>>1845208
>but the underlying grievance is an irrefutable mathematical reality
You should be perma banned for such retardation. Not only is their grievance illegitimate and their movement self-serving without merit but to drag concepts of fallibility and mathematics down into your idiocy is unforgivable.

Enjoy your fresh bed America, by allowing this shit to spin out of control you made it. Enjoy sleeping in it for at least the next half century.

>>1845225
>implying being 'unarmed' means you shouldn't get shot if you appear to be armed or are behaving in a threatening manner
I love this excuse.

>>1845220
>>1845225
Dude, he totally saw an episode of COPS and the black guys were SO SCARY. Therefore, his well-founded statement.

>>1845051
The Black Panthers failed because of a lack of centralized leadership, a common goal, and the hypocrisy inherent in the Civil Rights movement overall.

Eventually, people stop listening to the racist screaming "stop being racists!" at the top of their lungs.

>>1845230
Nice projection.

>>1845232
You don't need to put unarmed in quotes, and I don't think "behaving in a threatening manner" is a capital crime in any state.

>>1845235
What is the shelf life on blm, oh, great historian?

>>1845227
Nice emerald text, nerd

>>1845231
Dude, you can deruffle. We are both white, and will never be shot by cops for "looking like criminals."

Also, you can begin your timid into the fascinating world or hard data should you ever wish to expand your tiny worldview in the slightest:

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

And an ever rising number of bodycam stories like this one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

>>1845237
I do need to put unarmed in quotes. Some 'unarmed' cases have clearly involved firearms.
Further behaving in the threatening manner is 100% a reason to shoot someone. Comply and survive. Resist and die. Every other culture understands this (per capita at least), why is it so often criticised by American blacks?

If someone approaches you defiantly in a way that would indicate they could and will harm you you defend yourself. If the person is running at you and or obscuring their hands they either have or are intentionally trying to emulate having, a gun or knife.
Charge the family for the bullet.

If they were complaint then the officer should be punished to the full extent.

Was there a weapon?
Y- justified
N- cont
Was there non-compliance and aggression
N- punish officer
Y- cont
Was the officer or pair alone and unable to safely subdue?
Y- justified
N- contextual

2ez

>>1845256
>Some 'unarmed' cases have clearly involved firearms.
I'm not talking about them.

>Further behaving in the threatening manner is 100% a reason to shoot someone. Comply and survive. Resist and die.
That's not the law.

>tl;dr
See above.

Furthermore, I never got a statistic showing that most (by a significant margin) urban black people in the U.S. are criminals.

>>1845227
Valid points, nerd. But also, the Black Panthers echo through to today, and this thread certainly shows that all the history of black activism in the US is far from resolved, and many of the discrediting tactics are just are relevant today as they were in the 60's.

>>1845259
>>Further behaving in the threatening manner is 100% a reason to shoot someone. Comply and survive. Resist and die.
Woah, check out the tongue on this boot licker. That is real sexy. My balls have been dry all day, why don't you come over and take care of that?

>>1845259
First, I am not the person who made that claim.
Second, only addressing the most simple idiological elements of my post and ignoring the application and details of a situation is typical. Broad ideas mean jack fuck all. Apply them to a situation. I just did. Further, I don't think you can even tell me anything wrong with my break down either.
Third, I am not an American. I am talking about ethics and morality. Your laws are irrelevant to me and given that in a real democracy the constituents dictate their laws; what the laws are and what they should be means little in this context.
Fourth, conveniently ignoring the fact that a lot of 'unarmed' cases are either accidentally or intentionally mislabelled speaks volumes for the bias in your argument.

>>1845267

Not directed at:
>>1845256

Directed at:
>>1845259

The greentext threw me

>>1845267
It's funny that you pay people to regulate crime and then you act uppity when you become part of that process.
It's that meaninglessly defiant attitude when it comes to the police that would get ANYONE shot.
Here's hoping you try to prove you're a big man sometime soon.

>>1845267
>mommy mommy if I flinch at a police officer and keep my hands in my pockets while being high on pcp I'll probably get shot why is the world so unfair mommmmy

>>1845252
Why do BLMtards always focus on postig singular cases instead of focusing on the bigger picture? Investigations such as the washington post one paint a very different picture than what you claim

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

>>1845274
If you're not going to bring anything productive to the discussion, don't even post.

The years in which the US left could consider violence are actually overstated in their importance, which is funny because they're not stated at all. a couple shootings, some bombs, and the panthers strutting around holding guns. In Italy, if you had a factory full of supporters in your turf you posted snipers around it, to watch out for right-wing groups. They, of course, did the same.

the US left was small and, during a period where political violence was fashionable, did what it could given its size.

Black people get shot disproportionately because they're not able to act like adults during a routine traffic stop but treat the whole thing as if it were "disrespek".

>>1845272
>First, I am not the person who made that claim.
Okay.

>Broad ideas mean jack fuck all.
Such as the idea that it's justified to kill an unarmed person because they "behaved in an aggressive manner"?

>Your laws are irrelevant to me and given that in a real democracy the constituents dictate their laws; what the laws are and what they should be means little in this context.
I do not believe that police officers should be legally permitted to kill somebody simply because they felt scared.

>Fourth, conveniently ignoring the fact that a lot of 'unarmed' cases are either accidentally or intentionally mislabelled speaks volumes for the bias in your argument.
What are you talking about?
If the victim was actually armed, then the police officer shouldn't be punished, and it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Leftists don't like guns.
Guess what being in a militia entails.

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Just look at this sexy, armed motherfucker. He's got the beret, a sweet chair, and classy taste in firearms.

"You can kill my body, and you can take my life but you can never kill my soul. My soul will live forever!"

Just reminding you fags that the left always defeats the right militarily, just quit larping pol retards

>>1845304
Ideology is irrelevant to militaristic success. Why don't you both stop larping

>>1845291
I guess this is really what it's about. Most American radical leftists were once liberals and they still have that same socialization and culture that makes them hate and fear guns. The also tend to come from a bourgeois, college-educated background that's quite different from the radical libertarian who grew up in the country playing with guns. It makes since why the Black Panthers were armed because they came from a low-class culture that was familiar with guns.

Of course, it's not like modern American radicals on the far right or left are anything but LARPers. Even the militia movements who like to play with guns and talk about overthrowing the government don't actually do shit, so they're not much different than the far-leftists who talk about the same shit but won't even touch a gun.

What do you define as a milita, OP?

>>1845382
I presume a group of survivalist types with a radical ideology who are prepared to use violence to achieve their goals.

>>1845197
>quoting a rule that doesn't even exist anymore
Are all white guilt faggots this stupid?

>>1845299
Yeah but he's a nigger

>>1845606
It was a good rule. Also Global Rule 3 bans racism and trolling, so it's practically still in effect.

>>1845382
An army of non-professional fighters.

>>1845644
>the rule i was talking about doesn't exist anymore
>but it still exists
SJWs are actually this stupid

>>1845760
Considering /pol/ is racism and trolling, it does exist in all but name.

>>1845183
Communism hates diversity. It tries to destroy older and traditional culture and religion in order to replace it with a new dumb modern workers culture.

It happens in the PRC, USSR, Cambodia, and more.

Also constant race riots? Dumb blm sjws protesting the past 3 years hardly counts as 50 years of race riots. Even most blacks don't side with their msg. Other than the blm issue, the only other major race riot were the LA ones.

>>1845163
Dont think that, we now thats what they do
I am sure they even have a leaderboard

>>1845170
Impling anarchism is not heavily atacked by the state and press in europe and any form of economic socialism is imediately countered with a "Go to cuba you bastard" Dont ya?
>Bu, bu the dont let me burn jews and niggers
Fuck off
Also liberals =/= left anywhere on the world except the us

>>1845174
It was a mix of ideologies the libertarian socialists (or anarchosyndies) defended internationalism and considered state and patriotism burgouis shit, (also they werent just in catalonia, george orwell simply didnt wrote about anarchistm in andalusia or in the castillian-asturian mountains (maquis).)
But there were also trotkists and socialdem catalonian nationalists around, so you might be getibg confused

>>1845197
>>1845193
Yup, he seems like fascist tryng to look sympathetic to me XD

>>1845209
Long live the black panthers dude Malcom X didnt die for nothing

>>1845182
>I don't think they actually managed to kill anyone though,

They weren't trying to kill anyone.

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>>1845304
>left always defeats the right militarily

Are modern lefties actually that dumb? Apart from the russian and chinese civil war and le cuban revolution the left was mostly unsucessfull. Now all the tankies will sperg about
>muh great patritoic war
and will completely ignore lend and lease and the bazillion other parties involved in the war.

>muh vietnam
Yeah no... Afghanistan

>the staggering number of failed revolutions or insurgencies that failed to gain traction

>spanish civil war

>winter war

>coup d' etats (the right tends to not start civil wars, so i would count these as military operations at least)

>israeli wars against the ayyrab countries which were socialist (especially syria and egypt)

>irak-iran war (more of a draw but the left baathists weren't able to defeat the right wing (somewhat) theocratic iranians)

Just from the top of my head while crammed in my university lecture which is way to full.

>>1845939
He literally did though

>>1845153
Of black people are oppressed to such a degree that the US is unlivable, why don't they just gtfo? There's so many countries they can go to that offer them better opportunities and treat them better, it'd be in their best interest to leave if they're so hated by the populace.

Red Brigade in Italy
FARC in South America- this is a good example actually
Various communist groups in pre-WWII Europe
Maoist insurrection in Nepal
Marxist insurrection in India
Japanese Red Army in Japan
Baader-Meinhof

There are a lot of examples of Leftist groups using violence to achieve their goals.

Read up on the Anni di Piombo in Italy. There was an incredible amount of violence perpetrated by Leftist groups (as well as Rightist).

>>1846010
You know why dont white people gtfo of the us and leave the rest alone instead?, they can go and colonize greenland or something, be racist to polar bears.
Thats a beter option

>>1845979
Yep a sad truth :(

>>1846020
>nigger worshiper actually thinks white people were at fault
So this is what leftypol indoctrination looks like

>>1846048

>le /lefypol/ boogeyman

>>1845051
In angloshpere countries modern leftists are anti-gun, so they cannot have militias

>>1845114
Evolutionary anachronisms don't have any place in an evolutionary novel civilization anon, tribalism(racism) has no place in this world.
Do you honestly think that a homogenous society can last? Resilience is diversity dependent, once society crashes and burns(inevitable) the more diverse, the more connections within a system, the more ways for said system to restructure itself. It's basic ecology. Fuck off with your shallow, stormfag tier understanding of human civilization.

>>1846048
I was imply using his same fucking (lack of) logic, but I guess expecting a conservative to understand satire and sarcasm would be like expecting them to have a proper argumented ideology.
Also I much rather be a nigger worshiper than a white supremacist thx

>>1845206
>Most cases

You do realize that even if the police only kill an unarmed suspect less than 1% of the time it's still unacceptable, right? There are hundreds of police encounters in America each day and literally nobody should be murdered because some officer identified them as just another racial statistic and decided to kill them just to play it safe.

>>1845051
Read up on "The Triangle of Death" in Italy during 1945-48 and you might realize how extremely wrong you are.

>>1846094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2-NEo3NVU
I really don't understand why nobody talks about the number of police officers shot during those hundreds of encounters.

>>1846061
Leftypol has been shilling here since day 0

>>1846085
>leftist rather hate his own race
Why is this not surprising

Because, in Europe at least, the armed left is in the "underground" and not showing off/operating in the public. In their mind the western world is run by fascists and they have to hide until they are strong enough to start the revolution.
I "know" that there are some communist and some anarchist groups, which are armed but don't do shit so far.

Source: my ass and my experience from hanging around in extreme left circles.

>>1846190
The fascists do mostly the same thing because they think that Europe is ruled by socialists clinging to the left.

>>1846137
Because they aren't. Being a police officer isn't particularly dangerous, they are just indoctrinated with a culture of fear. You can look at the FATCAT reports and see that a police causality or fatality is rare.

>>1846190
How do you even meet people like that? Chilling with squatters and antifa?

>>1846140
If being white means being an idiotic fascist pig who thinks all whites should be their allies and all non white their enemies, I really hope I have some gyspy blood on me as I dont want to asociated with dogs like you

>>1845166
>being this entry level

There are literally more antifas than actual fascists in the western world. They don't seem big because they are hardly organized. Mostly a bunch of stuck up teenages college kids with some druggies here and there.

>>1845220
>Criminals
drug crime isn't

>>1846481
it's okay cuck, when trump wins we'll string you up along with all of your pet niggers on the day of the rope, we'll spare you the horrors of a having to live in a homogeneous white society :^)

>>1845256
>the guy who was CCing and announced his weapon as a reasonable person would and was then shot

Nuremberg for porky

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>>1845051


>seem to have our fair share of right winged theocratic militas

I just wanted to apologize to everyone in this thread. I was drinking a little more than usual last night, and may have said some things which were un onstructive and unrelated to the thread at hand.

I think this is an interesting topic, and hope that anything I may have posted did not detract from the topic. Thank you for your time, and please continue this interesting and provocative conversation.

>>1845304
French rev
Right-cucks btfo

>>1846791
Not my pets, dog, my companions.
Unsurprising that conservative pigs like you want to hung anyone who doesnt share their pathetic way of thinking, challenge accepted ;) Lets see what you and your lobotomized friends can do

>>1846243
Go to demonstrations or alternative bars/clubs. You will start meeting the same people over and over and they will start telling you more and more.
At the demonstrations you will get an eye for the truly radical ones and will notice their weapons and stuff, or get to know their shit when the police arrests them by luck.

>>1846219
True that.
They only active "militias" i know of play neighborhood watch and/or play paintball in the woods dressed up as !notWehmacht. And they mostly disband after some months.
Europe seems to be a bad place for (not state run) militias.

>>1846888


They're not your companions. In the end to them you'll always be just another whitey. Whos temporary usefulness extends only as far as your ability to function as a walking atm. They will always value their own more than you, and wherever possible will elevate them above you if given the choice, as is only natural really.

>>1845184
He's wearing a "Make America Great again" cap... the Trump's slogan, and holiding a sign that says: "Nobody for president"...

>>1846010

>why don't these poor people just uproot themselves, their entire family and whatever property they own from the country and community they were born in and move thousands of miles to a foreign nation that might not even have the same language as them?

Gee retard, I dunno.

>>1847081
Yup lifelong friends who have helped and have suported in multiple situations and i have helped back too, dont really care about me because the color of my skin, they are just pretending to do and in fact they care more about other people they dont even know because they are also black. How could I have been so blind??! Its all a conspiracy!!! Thanks m8 you opened my eyes Im now joining my closest white supremacist wank-club, I feel so relieved!

>>1847115


>some of my best friends are black!

lolin@urlife

>>1847119
I dont follow you anon, was simply saying that >>1847081
aparently knows my friends better than I do and knows they are secretely using me for their evil agenda of rebeling against a white dominated society

>>1845177
>Wasn't there an american gommie organization that blew up like 3-4 people during the 70s?
Weather Underground who thought they were going to defeat imperialism and the Vietnam War by setting off random bombs. Most of them, essentially, got away with being terrorists and wormed their way into academia where they were able to push their shit onto young people. Notably, one of Obama's mentors in Chicago was Bill Ayers. It actually makes me pretty angry since IIRC most of them don't seem to regret what they did and don't consider themselves terrorists.

>>1847139
So you think the vietnam war was justified then?
Way more people were killed by the american imperialist army in vietnam than from this peps bombs, who are really the terrorists?

>>1847099
>>why don't these poor people just uproot themselves, their entire family and whatever property they own from the country and community they were born in and move thousands of miles to a foreign nation that might not even have the same language as them?

> Gee retard, I dunno.

That's what millions of Latinos, Asians, Africans did in the past decades by immigrating to the US. Can hardly say it didn't work out for them.

>>1847175
Africans didnt immigrate to the us idiot, they were brought as slaves by the brits

>>1847134


I just think its funny how you're rolling out that same old canard like it means anything on the systemic level.

One side likes mocking it but then turns it around when its convenient? That's comedy right there.

for all the marxist retards here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

>>1847214
>Impliying that saying that you are not racist because you have some (probably imaginary) black friends and they dont care about your racist coments is the same thing that saying that past anon coment saying that people only care about people of the same race is bullshit, they care about the people they know.

(BTW I used my friends as an example because he specifaclly said that they were using ME, and I was simply calling bullshit on that. Try to not be so edgy pls m8)

>>1847299


Your imaginary friends don't mean anything in the aggregate.

>>1845051
COINTELPRO

>>1847308
Wtf do you even mean with that? that sentence doesnt even mean anything XD
Learn english pls

>>1845051
Lenin expressly spoke out against lone wolf "adventurism".

Left wing militias are generally mass revolutionary movements. These movements don't break out in the West because shit's too comfy

Reminder: White numale marxists genuinely believe black people express tribalism cuz ebil white capitalists made a grand conspiracy to create conceptions of 'race' and brainwashed them to become tribalistic and nationalistic, and therefore excuse all black tribalism as justified. This is what happens when you deny biology and evolution in Humans. Pure ideology. They will be upset when said black racists string them up.

>>1847362
And white beta fascist fags think there is a Jewish conspiracy whose purpose is to bring the Jew's most dangerous enemy into the Western World to assimilate the local populace and mix into a new inferior breed of Man. They are both equally retarded

>>1845064
wtf I love Mandela now

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>>1845051

Leftists in the United States suffer from a chronic inability to organize properly to wage a sustained revolt.

>>1847372
You're being as equally retarded as the /pol/tard for seriously arguing with him.

>>1847401
>he's unironically a redditor

leftypol is a joke dumbdumb

>>1847414
Well, what is it, am I a redditor or from /leftypol/?

>>1847471
same thing famalam

>>1847401
Rightists need to be refuted whenever possible desu

>>1847400
The communist party was pretty badass in the 30s

>>1847483
Oh, right, thanks babe
>>1847485
No one is going to be swayed by "niggers and kikes must all fucking hang" unless they think it in the first place, so you're just wasting your time.

>>1847372
Nationalists tend to argue that capitalism is at the root of population displacement of indigenous European peoples, cheap labour, mass immigration. Jews tend to be overrepresented in many neo-Marxian ideologues that have adjusted from class conflict to merging that idea with a racial lens instead.

If anything that is rather similar to Marxist theory on replacement of labour with machines. Whitey is put to pasture with their low birthrates and Mr. Monopoly needs as much pittance-fed cattle to run modern industrial capital.

>>1845082
Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA

>>1845956
>They weren't trying to kill anyone.
So what was with the bombs?

The far majority of political violence in Sweden is due to left-wing extremists. You don't think armed leftists exists because that's what the news don't tell you.

>>1847189
There are plenty of actually legitimate African immigrants.

>>1847518
Blowing up buildings to make a political statement. Classifying them as terrorists is pretty disingenuous, since they eventually when out of their way to not harm anyone.

>>1847497
yeah, gee good thing we're talking bout the present fucking day, not some shit that happened 70 years ago.

>>1847533
Pretty sure blowing up buildings still classifies as a terrorist act, senpai.

>>1847539
How can terror and coercion be the goal if everyone knows they aren't willing to kill anyone?

>>1847189
Such as Obama's father ?

There are loads of completely voluntary immigrants to burgerland, believe it or not.

>black panthers
>leftist

If you're a ethno-nationalist then you aren't leftist.

>>1847654
They were literal communists

>>1847654
>he thinks that an ideology predicated on collectivism isn't on the same wing that is literally collectivism
Amazing

>>1845051
leftists are weak faggots reactionaries are tough rednecks

In all seriousness, they got wrecked by the FBI in the 70s.

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>>1845051
There were also these guys.

>>1846794
Go back to lefty/pol/

>>1847759
I always thought this symbol was cool. It's like some resistance graffiti you'd find in a tunnel or abandoned building, maybe telling you some information if you knew the signs and codes.

>>1845051
Leftism was made up by weak cumskins who could never fight in their life. Rightism tells you to love your race and culture.

The black panthers were not leftists. They were fighting to save our race from albino oppression.

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>>1847882


>peaceful protestors

>>1847908
Name one person BLM has harmed cumskin.

>>1847153
:^)

But seriously, of course Vietnam wasn't justified but neither is setting off bombs in US cities with the vague idea that it'll scare people into supporting the left/toppling the evil American imperialist machine. Protest and all that good shit but every member of the Weather Underground should've been tried and executed on treason charges.

>>1847925

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

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>>1847564
Are you retarded?
You don't need to kill people to be a terrorist.

Leftist violence is completely tolerated by society. A great deal of people will work very hard to justify it (as can even be seen in this thread), and some of them will even praise it.

>>1848078
The point is their motivations weren't to terrorize or to coerce people, just to make a statement.

>>1847788
"No"

>>1847869
That's quite exactly what it was

>>1848213
I figured it was. What did it mean?

>>1848071
not a blm member

>>1845051
>Maoism
>In an industrialized, first world
plsno.jpeg

Anyway, were black panthers even militaristic? I can't think of any violent activities except for just holding rifles in public.

>>1848238
Logo of the Weather Underground, a left-wing militant group that hoped to use nonlethal guerilla violence to pressure the American government to adopt more left-wing stances.

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>>1848290
I knew whose logo it was. I asked what it meant.

>>1848304
"We are the weather underground"

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>>1848313

>>1848150
Making a statement by bombing buildings is terrorism.

>>1848376
Technically any violent action against the US gov by a non-state actor is terrorism, so there's no point in arguing semantics.

>>1845163
I don't think they do it for fun, but some are definitely racist against blacks and are more likely to treat them badly. I ain't even a leftist. It's just true.

>>1845187
>implying the courts treat cops and civilians the same

>>1848313
kek

>>1848329
>"Each letter had a logo hand-drawn across the page—our trademark thick and colorful rainbow with a slash of angry lightning cutting through it. New morning, it signified, changing weather. Oddly, as intense as it all looks and sounds, it was in our minds then cautious and responsible, a huge de-escalation from the apocalyptic plans of just months earlier. In any case, I loved that symbol of peace and reconciliation balanced by the hot bolt of justice."

>>1845051
>Power to the people

But only if they're niggers.

>>1848313
Sounds like the opening line of a new wave song

>>1846020
Because white people arent being oppressed and killed in droves

Black people are delusional, the US will never accept you, white, Latino or otherwise. You're basically Jews living in 1930's Germany and you don't even realize it. There's countries like Canada that are literally right next to the US that you can easily escape to that will treat you far better than in the US.

If you don't identify with the Catalans in Spain, especially in glorious Barcelona at the very beginning of the uprising, then you are an actual bootlicking cuck (and probably manlet) and you don't deserve to read either philosophy, history, or sculpt your body with weights and exercise

kys

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>>1848272

>Expounds BLM ideology
>Not a member

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If you're interrested in a strange part if german history and one if the bettet leftist milita read about the R.A.F (red army faction) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction?wprov=sfla1
Or the Spartacus Uprising. Though the later is kinda an absolute fail especially compared to the raf.

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>>1845051
Just because you don't care enough to look it up, doesn't mean they don't exist. Kys desu sempai.

>>1849013
What even is "BLM ideology"? Believing that innocent black people shouldn't be killed isn't exactly radical.

>>1845304
why are you just making stuff up? Marxists are the ultimate larpers.

>>1849954
Name one far right gubmint on God's green Earth right now.

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>>1849844

They are asking for 6 gorillion dollars in "reparations" among other outrageous marxist/jewish inspired nonsense

http://libertyviral.com/black-lives-matter-released-their-manifesto-and-this-is-what-it-looks-like/

>>1849184
Comparing different struggles in different periods of time...also how do you equate a semi-popular revolutionary movement to urban armed struggle based on vanguardist Leninism to the point where they considered themselves professional revolutionaries because they robbed banks (appropriating bourgeois/capitalist wealth).

The more active largely unheard of Revolutionäre Zellen : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Cells_(German_group) ...is of more interest though more evident is their break up at the fall of "living" socialism
also check out the autonomist movement in Europe.

>>1850073
Black Lives Matter is a staunchly anti-Marxist moderate liberal organization

>>1845058
Modern leftists just want fully automated luxury communism so that they can go back to not having to do any damn thing like in 8th grade when mom would bring them hot pockets as they played video games in the carpeted room.

>>1845064
and BLM is funded by Soros

>>1845230
The black panthers specifically wanted to provide for inner city black people and then turn those programs over to the ones they served. They sought to fix a problem outside of the system. Their actually ideology was pretty dumb (Marxism) but their practice was kind of dope as fuck. Comparing them to the radical Democrats of BLM is retarded bruh. Please read about them about their actual actions. Not even a leftist or whatever but if a group of black people want to work to support their own I m not sure how you could get mad about that.

>>1846079
/pol/ BTFO

>>1845114

>Ottoman empire
>literally lasted many centuries
>somehow not long term

nigger are you fucking retarded?

>>1845121

to add to this, there were many successful multi ethnic empires..

China, Sassanid and Achaemenid Persia, Charthage, Byzantium, fucking Mughal India..

>>1845174

B A S E D

CNT or FAI, what team u on?

>>1845183

>The thing I son't get about communism is why it's so eager to bting about "diverse" societies. Whether or not racial/tribalistic problems is besides the point, why would you actively seek out a multi-ethnic state?

youre fucking retarded

not marx, not lenin, not stalin, nor trotski or engels ever advocated a multi-ethnic state

it wasnt even a concern of theirs

>>1845213

>Do you really consider "suspended with pay" a light sentence?


for killing someone? of course you fucking mouthbreather

>>1845051
Before and during the Cold War a lot actually. They were based more on leftist economics than leftist social morality however.

Examples include
The Red Brigade in Italy
The Red Army Faction in West Germany

Now you have "antifa"

>>1845051
>Leftist militia

Not possible on the left side of tge aisle at this point. Leftism is largely anti-gun (except a few suprising unicorns). How can you have a militia without arms? Will they work on teleportation and about nothing being personal, kid?

>>1845051
>in America and other western countries we seem to have our fair share of right winged theocratic militas, yet we seem to lack any leftist organized militas

>it's a KKK were right wing episode

>>1851622
>Leftism is largely anti-gun
Leftists are against ordinary citizens owning guns. I could easily see radical leftist groups declaring themselves the "people's army" and thus they're allowed to have guns but no one else can. Like how some of them say it's okay to use violence on those against socialism/communism because a non-socialist/communist system is inherently violent.

>>1851622
>(except a few suprising unicorns)

Not to nitpick, but one of those unicorns was Marx himself.

>>1852091
Outlier, noting to do with leftism ;^)

>>1851490
Weren't they both anarchists and FAI only existed to make sure CNT stayed anarchist?

>>1852078
Socdems and American liberals are against guns. The far-left has always supported the people being armed, except Marxist-Leninists and their tankie brothers because "gotta watch out for counter-revolutionaries :^)"

There's even that quote by Orwell talking about how guns are necessary for freedom.

>>1852052
Their whole purpose was to fight equality, anon

>>1845183
Because modern leftists see minorities as lumpenpropetariat.

The modern worker has been bought out. Little do the academics know but thry have been bought out too.

All this social justice bullshit and replacement of white people is payed and planned for tbb

>>1847343
Fick off you racist xenophobe. He'll speak American if he wants to!

>>1847507
Breh I wasn't thinking about gassing kikes in highschool.

Infact I was your typical democratic socialist lol!

/lefttpol/ will never be as successful as /pol/ because you don't understand memeculture or even have a sense of humour. It's probably because you put ideological purity before all else lol!

>>1853610
You were a liberal in highschool because everyone else was one. You're a reactionary now because everyone else is one.

>>1853106
>it's a le right wing hates equality episode
I feel like I've seen this show on a lot recently.

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>>1845187
>cops
>getting convicted

>>1854017
It might not hate it, but it does view it as unnatural/unrealistic/undesirable. That's part of the definition.

>>1854023
No it isn't. Traditional leftist and rightist equality is just different and both perceive the other as unequal. I seriously can't comprehend how someone can say a statement like yours and not realize the obvious bias

>>1854036
It's a descriptive statement, not a normative one and there is no bias; you thinking equality is a good thing is a leftist viewpoint. Monarchists, fascists, nationalists, conservatives, ancaps etc. all believe inequality is natural and that hierarchy is good.

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>>1845051

Because the leftist militias are fucking LARPers and Mao-weaboos

>>1849184
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2484745.stm


Wow.

>>1854059
>you thinking equality is a good thing is a leftist viewpoint
False.
>Monarchists, fascists, nationalists, conservatives, ancaps etc
There's a laundry list of problems here, I have to address all of them. First of all, you see leftism as a single movement while you chalk up right wing ideologies to smaller pieces. I could very much do the same with leftism.To boot, nationalism is not a creed of right wing. It is an ideology that can exist in both left wing and right wing politics. You discounting all of right wing as anti-equality only shows one thing: You think that left-wing equality (i.e equality that is leaning towards the equality of outcome) is the only form of equality, that is real equality.

You are incredibly biased. Don't even try to deny it.

>>1846132
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_of_death_(Italy)
Pretty sure you didn't mean this.

>>1845121
>Egypt
>Singular, monolithic, unchanging political entity across all its history

>>1853106
Yeah, because BLM and the NBPP really cares about rights of white people

>>1854017
The right, by definition, believes inequality should be conserved or created.

>>1854513
NBPP is an offshoot of the Nation of Islam, black supremacists who can't really be considered left. The NBPP abandoned the socialism of the Black Panthers in favor of nationalism.

BLM is all about equality. Their while philosophy is giving black communities the same privileges that they believe whites enjoy.

>>1854144
Leftisim isn't a singular movement, but in general, all leftist positions are concerned with egalitarianism and usually anti-hierarchical; for instance, even Marxism-Leninism or Maoism is still leftist because they ultimately want the communist utopia.
>To boot, nationalism is not a creed of right wing. It is an ideology that can exist in both left wing and right wing politics.
That's true, but it's usually rightist.
>You discounting all of right wing as anti-equality only shows one thing: You think that left-wing equality (i.e equality that is leaning towards the equality of outcome) is the only form of equality, that is real equality.
Most rightist ideologies aren't even concerned with equality of opportunity, certainly not fascists or monarchists; there are some like libertarians and conservatives, but even those still believe hierarchy and inequality is natural/inevitable/optimal.
>You think that left-wing equality (i.e equality that is leaning towards the equality of outcome) is the only form of equality, that is real equality.
I'm saying it's the only meaningful definition of equality to contrast against the social stratification of rightism.
>You are incredibly biased. Don't even try to deny it.
I'm not biased at all; I'm not even saying equality is a good thing, I'm just defining the left-right dichotomy.

>>1845114
>its a babbies don't know the difference between multiculti and multiethnicity episode

egypt was multiethnical, a clear culture was promoted and established, same goes for rome, if the gauls acted like gauls and the sicilians acted like sicilians, they would be speaking their native tongue, using their native religions and so on

the only multicultural nations are nations that have balkanized because different cultures follows different laws, and current western europe where the "refugees" have already established balkanized zones with their own laws

>>1845172
there's literally nothing wrong with this

>>1845106
>Things like the BLM dont represent an economic agenda
They werent communist, they were funded by communists, for the intent of spreadig communism, by funding groups which would cause internal strife within capitalist countries.

>>1855403

Anyone who calls nationalism rightwing, regressive, or reactionary... you don't know what those terms mean. Does that mean feudalism is progressive, leftwing, and revolutionary?

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>>1845051
It might be true in America OP, but we have a retarded amount of antifa like groups in Europe, especially Northern Europe.

I mean, left-wing extremism is a serious problem in countries like Sweden, but it goes underreported, because the media is essentially left-wing itself, and probably sympathizes with violence done by them.

>>1846481
neck yourself

>>1847153
neck yourself

>>1847153
>AMURICAN IMPERIALIST ARMY

lmao

>>1854012
>everyone else is a reactionary

uhh no

>>1855543
Nationalism tends to be rightist and reactionary but not exclusively so. The opposite of nationalism is internationalism, not feudalism, and internationalism is usually leftist.

>>1855706

Bullshit. Go read history. There are 3 options: reactionary, liberal, or trot.

>>1855537
>George Soros is a communist
Anon pls. I don't care what he likes to identify himself as for good PR, there is zero likelihood of him actually doing anything for some leftist ideological motivation.
>>1855593
/pol/ is one of the largest boards on 4chan and they constantly shitpost their opinions everywhere. The majority of political opinions on the majority of boards are their reactionary ideas.

>>1855713
What does that even mean?

>>1846234
>Being a police officer isn't particularly dangerous,
Huh what coincidence, neither is interacting with police officer so long as you don't act like an aggressive idiot with oppositional defiant disorder.

>>1855804
>police never shoot people who aren't a threat
>police never are overly paranoid and get scared easily
>police never escalate the situation
Being an uppity negro with a big mouth isn't a crime punishable by death, neither is being "threatening". And if anything, a good cop should be willingly to put his life in danger for the safety of a citizen, including one who is a suspect of a crime, because he's just that, a suspect, not a criminal.

>>1846079
>confusing social diversity (diversity of functions) with cultural diversity
>confusing system connections with cultural diversity

>believing the current civilization is so novel that past models hold little to no relevance

>>1845968

>implying Winter War

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>>1845051

Serious "leftist" (read: anarchist or socialist) militias are immediatly attacked with the full might the government can bring down on them. As is, governments are EXTREMELY scared of any kind of successfull left wing movement, let alone an armed one.

>>1845058

That's not quite true. It's just that being an armed, militant leftist in western countries today will get you a jail ticket faster than you can get enough comrades together to mean something. That plus media automatically blacklists any successful "leftist" movement.

>>1845059
>>1845064

> "I got my education from /pol/ and I'm proud of it."
- (You)

>>1858314

>That's not quite true. It's just that being an armed, militant leftist in western countries today will get you a jail ticket faster than you can get enough comrades together to mean something. That plus media automatically blacklists any successful "leftist" movement.
>Leftypol SJWs are seriously this delusional.

you do realize you "people" are being funded by the same people you claim to fight against right? (Like Hillary funding the anti Trump riot's, or Soros with the NBPP and BLM)

>>1851412
Then why do you SJWS get mad when White people only want to serve white people?