Does it make you cry, /his/?

>>1844743

Still OP here.

I can't help but feel sometimes like I was born in the wrong age.

I joined the military. But for what? Bullshit and excuses.

Where is the time when a man could be a hero? It's so far gone I don't think it's possible anymore, excepting extreme circumstances.

I wish I could be one of those men of times past, with conviction and faith. Instead I'm an atheist with no one who would benefit from help. Real, heroic help.

>>1844743

What do you grieve, /his/? I can't be the only one.

>>1844743
Well the fall of Rome, and maybe Napoleon, they always make me sad...

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>>1844743
The destruction of the House of Wisdom definitely gets me.

>>1844823

Fuck yes, my friend. Let's talk about those.

Rome, two falls, there. One was the western Rome, of lesser interest to me, I'll admit. Hopefully you or someone else will talk more on that.

The fall of Eastern Rome. Now there's a tragedy. Sure, it began to feel inevitable, and Byzantine politics hastened the end. But God... the Roman Empire... 1500 years of history... gone with a whimper. And a whimper it was, because they solf themselves down a slow-coursing river of Turkish dependence and ultimately dominance.

No hard feeling towards the Turks, mind you. I respect their historical record and what they accomplished. But still... the dream that was Rome...

Napolean... too smart for his own good. I love French history, I truly do. France is like that legendary MMA fighter: on everyone's highlight reel suffering a memorable defeat, yet one of the undisputed legends when all's said and done.

Napolean wouldn't have quit until he was deposed or died. He was deposed first, and second. God hold him in the highest regard, for he showed us what men, real men, could accomplish.

>>1844836

You'll pardon me I hope, dear friend, as I absorb this unfamiliar history.

Gods, the early Muslims. How vigorous, how exalted they were! I can only dream of living in one of those ages, when the truth seemed to flow like a river into one's soul!

Early Islam is such a fascinating subject. While I sadden with the losses of Byzantium and the end of the Zoroastrians, God, what insight they reveal!

Those early Arabs, they wanted to understand so well. They saved and ultimately empowered European thinking, there is no question.

The haze of drink is upon me, my friend, but I'm leaving this up for tomorrow when I am sober again.

>>1844743
While I do not know what might've happend to China without it, the ccp rise to power, specially the cultural revolution and the invasion of Tibet, has some effect on me. It just scares me to think about losses of historical material and ancient knowledge,specially for the good of a certain regime. 1984 kind of shit, information manipulation,etc. Also the christian and muslim religions(to name only a few) that are said to have burned libraries and destroyed ancient monuments, the mongol empire that razed cultures from the earth and destroyed thousands of years of culture and knowledge...

If humanity was to find a way to preserve all knowledge, while discovering ancients ones, while at the same time maintaining social stability(which in the end might've been the reason for these destructions), that would be great lol.

>>1844938

OP still here, still inflamed with historical indignation and scotch.

I lived in Beijing for four years. Chinese history has by necessity a short memory.

But, as I once yelled at a taxi while drunk: ni bu ke yi da wo, wo shi Meiguoren!

The Cultural Revolution was a farce. Mao's greatest asset was leading a revolution and he knew it; he didn't know how to lead a nation. So he pretended the revolution was, in spirit, still going. Most, if not all, of his reforms were disastrous shams. China will push through it and with 15 years will be the undisputed power of the world.

It is the nature of devout faiths to become iconoclasts of that which they hold heathen. Or worse, heretic. Thus, we have lost great constructions and teachings. All we can do is cry for the loss and learn from what remains, my friend.

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Visiting commonwealth war cemeteries in Europe and reading the engravings choked me up.

Also, I did a lot of research on missing soldiers, and oftentimes their personnel files had letters from families trying to find out about them. That was also pretty rough.

>>1844894

fag

>>1844894
fag

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>>1844894

>>1844988

It's almost literally incredible to think sometimes. those who made the ultimate sacrifice. For us. And we don't know who they were.

To those who raised a sword or gun, to protect what they held important. Raise your glass, for whoever they were, for they were honorable men first and foremost.

>>1844995
>>1845001
>>1845006

Thanks for the laugh and keeping me honest. Share a glass with you anytime.

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It makes me mad how Spain so singlehandedly destroyed several budding civilizations in America, the Incas in particular.

>>1844938
'Invasion of Tibet'

Do you know anything about this beyond a CNN article?

The fucking Dalai Lama's guards whipped musicians because they thought they performed badly and they made flutes out of the bones of executed prisoners

>>1845510
>they made flutes out of the bones of executed prisoners
Metal as fuck.

>>1845510
What's that got to do with China invading?

the things I pity the most when it comes to history is the overtaking of religion...

the arab world was full of scholars and highly intelligent people until some insane weedjunky told the stupid masses that there's a god and they followed him...
same goes for europa where so many intelligent people couldn't spread their wisdom because the church said it was sorcery because the dumb masses didn't understand shit...

>>1845540
>couldn't spread their wisdom because the church said it was sorcery
Now you're talking lies in a board of history. The church was a massive and positive force in terms of discovery and technology. You're a uneducated twat if you think otherwise

>>1845540
>Easily most retarded people on earth killing each other over idols
>Literally just desert tribes, with barely any settlements of note
>Unite under one banner and beat the 2 most powerful powers in the region
>Advance in all fields
Gee what a cancer Islam was to the arabs!

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>>1844743
OP, if we look at history as seasonal we realize that destruction and creation are two sides of the same coin. As wildfire is important for the health of a forest, As you can't have spring before winter, sometimes destroying old things can have a net positive effect for human society, unshackling them from the bad ideas and less-efficient language structures of old and allowing them to write new values on new tablets.

>The devastation of lost knowledge that came with the burning of a great library.
a playground for the rich and a catalogue of their mystic traditions. Systematized knowledge didn't become ubiquitous until the rise of professional academia and the educational infrastructure which sustains them during the medieval era. And once it got off the ground it was nearly impossible to suppress, no matter how many monks that the Vikings butchered or enslaved.
>The defeat of a people who might have taught us so much.
Or who might have kept us locked in sclerosis, maintaining the same society for as long as possible without change or adaptation, suppressing knowledge and achievement in order to maintain a lazy, inept status quo who rationalizes their contempt for you with religious delusions.
>The failure of my own people, temporal or moral.
I am Roman Italian by descent and I'll be the first one to argue that ancient Rome, for all its grandeur, was a bloodthirsty conquest empire built on brutal subjugation, whose society was riddled with hypocrisies which eventually turned into cascading system failures and ripped their society to pieces.

I don't feel bad, I learn from their mistakes, recognizing that a society built by the sword is destined to fall by the sword, making way for later societies built by social contracts and popular mandate.

>>1845540
>the arab world was full of scholars and highly intelligent people
Wtf are you talking about?
The arabs didn't do shit until the islamic conquests.
The only noteworthy things i remember from that place before Mohamed are a damn in Yemen and that City of the Pillars thing.
But those had long collapsed and passed into arabic legend by the time the Quran was written
>same goes for europa where so many intelligent people couldn't spread their wisdom because the church said it was sorcery
[Citation needed]
No, a deranged mystic like Bruno, and an unscientific faggot that pissed off his own patrons like Galileo don't count.

>>1844762

You're such a fucking NEET it hurts. You can still go on and accomplish things, but these days we go about it differently because we've evolved beyond being militaristic blowhards.

Go toil the earth in Africa or other poor countries. Help shape the world that the europeans colonized and enslaved. Or do something else, fight for Ukrainian independence or whatever. Stop glorifying people dying for money and greed. It's just childish.

>>1846400
>Go toil the earth in Africa or other poor countries

Go help subhumans.

Wow.

Interesting thread and I think most people who study history think the same thoughts occasionally.

>>1846400
>Go toil the earth in Africa or other poor countries. Help shape the world that the europeans colonized and enslaved. Or do something else, fight for Ukrainian independence or whatever.
What an awful list of options.

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>>1844743
Observing the slow retreat of Celtic peoples since the Bronze age and a rapid push to the West of Europe where the languages connecting Celtic people now to their forbears is dying on the rocky shores of Connaught, Donegal, the southern parts of Munster, certain parts of the Islands and Highlands of Scotland and in Wales which is the country with the most people who speak the native language at only 20% but this is a self reported unreliable statistic anyway
Realizing that the Penal Laws fucked the language so hard here that it probably won't ever recover and certainly won't with an incompetent government that refuses to put more than a few pennies into reviving it, all wrapped up in the fact of our modern globalized world where the mediums of communication for everyone is in English

and then reading about everything that could've prevented things getting to this point throughout history, all of the seemingly small things that would've had such major impacts:
maybe this High King's progeny were able to succeed him and consolidate what he built up, making themselves a central power and uniting the various tribes under or against them
maybe Viking raids were as fierce as they were over the sea and people sharing a common language and customs would unite against an alien invader
maybe Caesar never took an interest in these islands on the periphery of Europe harboring the same sort of people he'd annihilated and subjected already in his Gallic wars
maybe people like Atrebates and Mac Murchada were killed before they could appeal to foreigners to fight their wars for them

maybe a lot of things OP

>>1845502
Dis one mang. Fuck the Aztecs, the loss of the the Inca is a tragedy.

The subjugation of the Welsh by Edward III makes me sad until I realize that it was just the princes chimping out. Still, Cymru Am Byth.

ERE doesn't really need to be said.

China from the opium wars to now.

CAPTCHA was pillars or collums, all of them were hellenic :(

>>1844743
I feel you OP.

I hate living in this degenerate century. Most of my peers (Millennials) are debauched vermin without any redeeming factors whatsoever.

There is one thing that I am content with. The second coming of our LORD must be near! He will arrive right at the lowest point of humanity to save his elect.

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what a euphoric thread

>>1848127

It is no less awful than anything else that has been done in history.

>>1844743
mudshits in europe and (multiculturalism), schould not have happened

The one thing in all of history that has moved me to tears has been the sheer stupid waste brought by Socialism. It has robbed whole nations of their history, chokes culture wherever it appears, and is directly responsible for the deaths of multiple of my family. If I see a Red, I'll shoot him.
Gods, just look at poor Hungary, or Poland...

>>1844743
I always feel bad for L.B.J.
He had such good plans but got dragged into a war where there was no way he could get out of cleanly. Had he left Nam he would have been condemned as a commie sympathiser, or he could keep fighting and have the weight of all the deaths on his shoulder

World War One is what really gets me

The thought of all these young men making friends with one another and heading off for a great adventure, only to be thrown into the meat grinder at places like the Somme os heartbreaking, especially when you realise how it was all in vain.

>>1850083
Are you me? I just went to his Library a few weeks ago and it was absolutely tragic seeing how much he cared about all the shit that was happening. There are recordings of him talking to his aides and explaining that if he could only get Ho Chi Minh in a room with him, they could sort everything out in 30 minutes. He actually wanted to end the war, but worried that if Vietnam fell, there would be a domino effect across the Pacific.

He actually played a major role in getting peace established during Nixon's tenure, once he realized that Ho Chi Minh really cared more about national sovereignty than spreading communism.

>>1844743
New pasta?

>>1844894
Why are you typing like such a fucking autist.

>>1844894
>Bedouins
>understanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0

>>1845955
>I am Roman Italian

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>>1844743
I can't stand forces which achieve so much and then just let it all fall apart. I loose it when a great civilization that gave so much dies. Even more so when normal plebs don't recognize the debt they have to people of the past.

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The fall of the roman empire, the western part is what got me most, I wish it was still around, after watching hbo rome I wish I could live in that time period be a veteran of one the legions exploring places beyond the roman borders and coming to a heroes welcome
>tfw you will never have friendship and adventures like lucius vorenus and Titus Pullo
I sometimes like to powr up my autistic thoughts and think it would be so cool if the EU goes through reforms and becomes the new roman empire

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>>1853224
>ywn stand as part of a shield wall with your brothers
>ywn face down an insurmountable french army with lads you've known your entire life and beat them back with volley after volley of bodkin arrows
>ywn follow Tancred out of the siege tower and be one of the first crusaders to step foot in the holy city of Jerusalem
>ywn march into Tenochitlan with your fellow Catholics at the head of a massive army of natives to overthrow the barbaric Aztecs
>Ywn be graced with be graced by the presence of true hero worthy of myth like Washington, Napoleon, Aelfred. or Patton
>You will only waste away wishing you could go anywhere else in history but here, struggling to provide for yourself and your family but living in a society too stupid to change.
>you will only pray for the fall, for an end to the great peace so you can at least feel alive before you die.

Why even live?

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>>1844743
For me it's not a particular event, but when I look at black and white photographs (of places I'm familiar with) in the UK, and I see large crowds, in say, Northern England or in Scotland, whether people going about life or working in the shipyards, I do have this existential sadness that all these people are dead and all of the lost stories.

pic related

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>>1853291
>yfw you will never be sentenced to death in the arena, battling gladiators and screaming out your legions number whilst you are dying only to have your roman bro defy his discipline and his respect for military authority jump in and save you
God damn why did I have to be born in this shitty time period

When I went into the Warsaw Uprising museum, it was almost overwhelming to the senses. If you read and dwell on something enough, seeing the real documents and weapons and uniforms that were used was insane. Same as when I went to Normandy. When you visit these places it's just mind-blowing to me.

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>>1844894
>this entire post

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>>1853330
>>1853291
M-maybe it's not all bad? We get to live in a period of time where we can look back at the heroes and have the time, education, and resources to do so. We can look back and know at least that great men existed and take inspiration from them, take hope.

>>1844836
Go home henry.

>>1846015
I think when he speaks of the "arab world" he means the Middle East in general (including the levant etc)

>>1845540
Feel free to correct me if im wrong anon

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>>1845540
>the arab world was full of scholars and highly intelligent people
hhahahahahahahahaa

>same goes for europa where so many intelligent people couldn't spread their wisdom because the church said it was sorcery because the dumb masses didn't understand shit...
hahahahahahahahaha

This can't be really holy shit. I'm being trolled, right? Please tell me I'm being trolled. Fuck, my sides.

>>1845955
>recognizing that a society built by the sword is destined to fall by the sword
But you just said it yourself, Roman society collapsed from within, due to "hypocrisies which eventually turned into cascading system failures and ripped their society to pieces". Rome was not a prosperous, healthy empire when the Ostrogoths came knocking, else it wouldn't have fallen at all.

And how else do you even build a large nation other than through force/"the sword"?

You make good points, but your attempts to sound "deep" leave gaping holes in them.

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>>1852453
Yes, amice. My veins seethe with noble, Latin blood!

>>1844743
This is bait right?

>>1850215
How was it all in vain? There was major political changes after the WWI.