Would SA still be under Apartheid if not for the USSR and China?

>>1839318
No

Most of Africa would still be under white rule. The Rhodesian Space Program (RSP) would most likely have set up their first Mars colony in 1990.

>>1839341
http://www.hudsonfla.com/azimbabwe.htm

>>1839318
ofc not, ussr and china had no real influence on the events there

>>1839375


You're retarded.

>>1839318
If anything, they probably prolonged apartheid, as US fear of communism caused them to support apartheid SA

>>1839386
In other parts of Africa yes but SA the discontent with Apartheid and before that the laws of colonial South Africa were always there. Dissent wasn't fermented

>>1839390
No way the sanctions put huge pressure on the government.

>>1839391


You're retarded; communist agitation was highly active in the south of africa; the rebellions in both Rhodesia and South Africa were instigated by men and dindus, like mandela, with marxist ties.

>MUH EBIL USSER
>MUH EBIL RUSSIA
>MUH EBIL GOMMIES

meanwhile american foreign policy:

>join ww2 on winning side and to this day claim they made a difference
>barely beat japan
>only country to use nukes
>funding and raising islam terrosism and fundamentalism to fight muh ebil ussr
>coups to install islamic dicatotrs
>fuck up south america to get rid of socialists and claim resources
>fund and train afghani taliban

more recently
>destroy south korean sunshine policy leading to NK nuclear program
>invade Iraq
>cause ISIS
>cause syria war
>cause refugee crisis

yeah fuck off with this thread, burgers, you have no clue about the world, just get fatter and fatter in your monolingual bubble of grease until your coronaries are clogged with gravy and cheese

>>1839420
>>barely beat japan

>>1839420
>being so mad that you post this in a thread about South Africa

>>1839318
Probably not. By the '80s they were becoming an international pariah, and unlike other pariah states they weren't prepared to be kicked out of the global economy.

>>1839420
>literally all the replies to this post will be green

>>1839420


The west was complicit with the dindus and communist scum by alternately standing aside or even egging on themselves the destruction of the southern african nations.

>>1839445
That was due to communist (Jewish) infiltration in the senate.

>>1839435
>a thread about South Africa
the thread is about how USSR IS EBIL EMPIRE
t. ronald raeaeaegan

it is about commies and marxists and ((jews)) and niggers

also

>muh rhodesia, how romantic
>someone post rodesia anthem, i cry everi tieem

go have this thread on pol, where you can circle jerk and generally have your b-tier discussions

>>1839453
>Blame it on Jews.

when will this meme ever stop?

>>1839471
when the holocaust happens again, i mean it didn't happen before, but now it will happen, wait i'm not neo-nazi, fuck you for calling me that and trying to shut me down

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>>1839468

>>1839468
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RgXeLWp0c8E

>>1839508
cringe you fucking goof

cringe

>>1839420
Kek I'm always amazed by how inferior Europeans feel towards Americans. thanks for the laughs

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>>1839627
t.

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>>1839420

What really grinds my gears is that 9/11 can be traced back to the USA most notably Regan.

If he had let the Soviets win in Afghanistan and kill off all the Mujahideen, the Bin Laden would have died decades ago.

Also we support Saudi Arabia which basically funded the whole Afghan war and then Bin Laden during the Afghan civil war.

So yeah... We dun fucked up the middle east and we had to sleep in a bed we shat in.

And to top that we basically created Isis when we thought supporting anti-Assad forces which later turned out to be Jihadists as well.


Great job!

*golf clap*

>>1839765
Imagine if 9/11 had been the Kremlin/red square instead of the WTC.

>>1839765
Is this copypasta?

>>1839765
>mujahideen= 9/11 terrorists

That's a great meme at all, but it's unfortunately not true at all! You see, the mujahideen were never a single organised group, and most in fact later became the Northern Alliance.

>we basically created isis

Nope! :D

>>1839808
>anything longer than 10 words is copypasta
You do realise you're on a board for discussion, right, kiddo?

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>>1839808

No. I actually bitch about it every now and then because even though I don't like Communism, the Reds weren't flying planes into American buildings.

Really Regan was blinded by the fact the Soviets were so scary when in reality the Jihadists would take more US civilian lives than the Soviets would ever.

Oh and we bitch about Iran and Hillary's nuclear deal.

We shat in that bed too by having the CIA overthrow the socialist elected leader of Iran and replacing him with the Shah. Who then proceeds to fuck everything up and get overthrown with an Islamic leader.

Seriously we should just stop trying int he Middle East! We keep fucking ourselves in the ass.

Oh and if Saddam was still alive and in power he would have BTFO Isis when they tried to invade and wouldn't put with their shit.

Oh yeah Gaddafi as well. Now Lybia is a shit hole with Isis crawling all over it.

I'm a US Citizen, but goddamn have we really fucked up in the Middle East.

We should just find an alternative to oil and let them just piss all over each other for the next 1000 years.

Really the Communists were way better to have as an adversary than this Jihadi crap.

>>1839420
>destroy south korean sunshine policy leading to NK nuclear program

Can you explain?

>>1839482
hahaha le ebin kek lol wew lad hahaha lololol XDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>1839818

Are you telling me that if the Soviets were still around and occupying Afghanistan, that if by some miracle Bin Laden was around that he would fly planes into the twin towers instead of the Kremlin?

>>1839318
wtf I love mandela now

>>1839765


>when we thought

Knew.

For the cucks in washington foreign policy in the middle east was always 'make the world safe for israel'; evidently opinion is a fractious a chaos filled hell-hole of competing warlords sniping at each other is preferable to strong rulers presiding over orderly societies who could challenge hegemonic power and who may be favorable to Iran.

Also, they want the oil pipe lines to go through their backyards rather than assads; thats bookoo bucks there.

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Western support for the pro-apartheid government was in large part due to the need for their support in the cold war so apartheid probably would have ended sooner if not for the USSR and China, though China dropped out of the game in the 70s due to the efforts of Richard Nixon, one of our greatest presidents.

The idea the USSR were actually revolutionaries trying to free the workers of the world is a myth, they armed various guerrillas and warlords who, like the USSR, were dictatorships with a communist facade.

>>1840030
>people getting too fat is a good thing
Well, no. It's caused by the government refusing to put proper food regulations in place, leading to the population getting addicted to sugar/salt/aspartame.

>>1839858
This is well-known in foreign policy studies.

Just look up "Sunshine Policy" on Wikipedia.

Odd as it may seem, the US has just as much of a vested interest in maintaining North Korea as China does.