Why did Hitler invade Poland?

preventive strike

>>1838281
Fuck off

>>1838272

Lebensraum, for one.

Muh danzig

Liberation of Prussian homelands.

>>1838295
Danzig wasn't even polish at this time

>>1838272
Hitler was a fan of Napoleon
Like him, he wanted to own Poland as a pet dog and to invade Russia during winter

>>1838306
huh

>>1838272

If only he'd written down all of his plans and policies in a book. It would have been a massive best seller if he had done that...

>>1838298
he wanted a corridor to Danzig so he could annex it you silly goose

>>1838474
Yes, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did it early in his carrier as his ideology surely never changed or anything.

>>1838306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnsC2V4_0w

>>1838272
Because it was there.

>>1838272

reclamation of lands traditionally considered German and the acquisition of living space. additionally, it was important to secure poland to prevent the prospect of a bolshevik invasion like had been attempted a decade earlier.

>>1838709
Danzig had a common border with East Prussia. It also had a Nazi president since 1933.
There was no need to go trough Poland.

>>1840930

Well what can I say. Hitler was a bit of a douche.

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This image pretty much shows what did happen.

>>1838297
>>1840908

Traditionally considered "German" land by those who know absolutely nothing of their history, the presence of Germans in Western and in in some parts of Northern Poland was negligible at best.Most cities in Poland ,with the exception of Torun were founded, built and predominately inhabited by Poles, not Germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Partition_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Germany

nice boards

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>>1838272
To get to the other side.

This, >>1838280
Then, this >>1842928

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>>1838272
see >>1841201

It was British plot to shit on Pooland so the France can get more time to prepare. lmao, it didn't work I guess.

>>1838272
Because Naziism is insane and driven by expansionism

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>>1841243
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_deportations

>>1838272
because there were a lot of jews in Poland back in the day

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>>1842981
There were simple Jews though, not influential people.

>>1842950
> It was Britain's fault a country a thousand miles away was invaded by Germany.

Foreigner stupidity.

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>>1842985
Yes, it is British fault.

Hitler aimed for France in 1939, not Poland. Poland was just thrown under the bus by Brits to get some time to prep for the French.

I guess that didn't work out so well, did it?

>>1838306
Napoleon would have been disgusted by an illiberal anti-Semitic shitsack like Hitler

>>1842995

Hitler did not aim for France in 1939 and I have no idea where you got that from.

>>1842950
This meme image again
Piłsudski literally wanted to attack III Reich with Brits and France in 1936

>>1843063
His own book.
>>1843078
And for a good reason, as a preventive war.

Doesn't mean Turd Reich and Poland didn't have good relations up to 1938.

>>1843078
1933*

he went at night

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>>1838281

>>1838272
Because Germany had seen everything east of the Volga, including Poland, as their Manifest Destiny.

>>1840930
So it was Danzig or war.

>>1843087

His own book was written before the re-occupation of the Rhineland. A lot of things changed inbetween it's publication and 1939. Clearly, Poland was his primary target.

>>1838272

Serious answer here.

The immediate reason was that the German Reich was running out of hard currencies and had serious problems with liquidity. Hitler needed either to drastically cut spending and introduce austerity measures or find some territory to plunder and pay for his insane economic policy. Obviously he chose the latter, in large part because he was too scared to admit that his policies were a failure.

Danzig was just a pretext and everyone knew that at the time. This is also the reason why Poland refused to back down. In reality Poland offered Danzig to Germany already in 1920s in exchange for the Germans fucking off forever. Poland simply wanted to delay the handover until late 1940s when the Polish seaport at Gdynia was to be complete.

>>1838272
To kill the jews there.

One autist once tried to argue to me that the reason for invading Poland was to use it's coastline against Britain. In ignorance of the miniscule Polish coastline at the time, or how even then, it's to the Baltic sea.

>>1845450
Besides it was not :)

>>1845534
This.

>>1838281
Still salty about you empire getting BTFO'd by the Poles?

Poland declared war on Deutschland on radio then Hitler decided to invade.

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>>1838280
>>1838297
>>1842950

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>>1845450
Poland wasn't his main target.
He wanted to humiliate France for Versailles.

Poland was just used by British as a boy to hit, so the French can prepare. Ironically, conquest of Poland helped Hitler to modernise his army even further lol.

pic rel. Hitler got all the Polish industry.

>>1846217
>He wanted to humiliate France for Versailles.
stop the memery pls
hitler actively wanted to avoid a conflict with the western allies
in fact he believed he had managed to do just that early on
east was always the prize

>>1846217
This is bullshit. Hitler wouldn't give a rat's ass for France and Versailles. He was interested in them only as far as it gave him PR points among the German population.

The Nazis genuinely though that France and the UK were bluffing with their support for Poland. In fact, France actually was bluffing and had no intention to fight until the British talked some sense into them.

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>>1846236
Poles were seen as a potential ally in 1933-1938.
No matter how much you deny it.

All Germany wanted from Poland in 38-39 was to guarantee a safe eastern border. They would go to France in 1939.
>>1846242
Hitler didn't give a shit about conquering Poland. It was last resort thing.

You can't prove me wrong. >>1842950

>>1846217

Poland was his main target in 1939. The point we're discussing is wether France was his target in 1939 or not, which it never was and there is nothing to suggest it.

>>1846236
>east was always the prize

this

>And so we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre-War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the east. At long last we break of the colonial and commercial policy of the pre-War period and shift to the soil policy of the future. If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.


It was really the west vs soviet union after WW1, and then a third player, nazi germany emerges. Churchill saw hitler as just another communist, but also a potential ally and Stalin saw him as just another capitalist, but a potential ally. From there, it was France&UK vs Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union in a sort of cold war until it finally blew up into a world war.

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>It is not well known that barely a century ago, Prussia, with its then predominantly Slav population, was not considered a German state at all; though its kings, who as princes of Brandenburg were ‘Electors’ of the German Empire, were considered German princes. At the Congress of Vienna, Prussia was registered as a ‘Slav kingdom’; and in 1830 Hegel still spoke52 even of Brandenburg and Mecklenburg as being populated by ‘Germanized Slavs’.
Is this true?

>>1845534
Source? I believe you, I'd just love to read more about this.

>>1846245
>Zychowicz
He is shit

>>1838272
Training exercise

>>1838272
He needed money to pay off the ridiculous loans he took out to restart the german economy

>>1838272
Hitler invaded political land. Its a meme stating that some racist prick invaded political land. So keep track on the year when the holocaust memorial and lecturers became prominent in education.

>>1848994
He used germ forces. And romania for energy to gain pol momentum.

>>1848994
Hey did you know spain comes from the word for a type of bush in french?

>>1848368
is Wieczorkiewicz shit too?

At least they source their claims, unlike shitposters in here.

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>>1848027
Yes

>>1849820
Zychowicz claims are meme letters
He is literally german dindu nufin Hitler was firiend of polish people
Only good book is Obłęd 44 tbqh

cause wanted to destroy german military culture.

>>1845534
>. Obviously he chose the latter, in large part because he was too scared to admit that his policies were a failure.
I don't know about this. I think one place Hitler is consistently underestimated is how thoroughly he believed and followed through his own ideas, and how much he actually understood them. Failure to grasp this makes his German contemporaries usually look like idiots. The second book helps fill this out, but his own statements make this pretty clear: Hitler was not interested in careful state building like Bismarck. He had no interest in seeing Germany as the strong industrial heartland of Europe with borders encompassing all ethnic Germans. He had no interest in the sustainability of Germany as it is, and was absolutely willing to sacrifice the German nation.

Crashing and burning the German Economy just so he could have his war is in perfect keeping with Hitler's vision and plans.

>>1838272

1. Food
2. Because the Nazis were jews

The only right answer is lebensraum

>>1852038
>He is literally german dindu nufin Hitler was firiend of polish people
Except he never stated that and you just pulled it out of your own ass.

>>1854570

Facts day otherwise. The German industry produced absurdly high amounts of consumer goods even late into war. The Nazi government was shit scared to decrease the average German's standard of living. Speer (admittedly a poor source) mentioned that decrease of production of such luxuries (in wartime) like lipstick required lengthy cabinet battles.

>>1842995
This image is shit

>>1838272
It's more nuanced than this but it was essentially greed. The Reich was receiving intense accolades from their populace from Hitler's strongarming and territorial acquisitions, and the German army felt like (and essentially was) ready to call any bluffs by those threatening military action for further aggression.

Like I said, it's far, far, more complicated than this, but essentially Hitler and co. felt like they could aggrandize themselves more and more through military hegemony in Europe, especially since the German economy had been restructured to be war-dependent. This policy followed its natural course until they made too many enemies and sealed their own fate.

"the polish are a race meant to be enslaved"
adolf hitler

>>1855303
>source: anon ass

>>1857682
>and the German army felt like (and essentially was) ready to call any bluffs by those threatening military action for further aggression.

I thought the German army was pretty cautious about Hitler until the fall of France?

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>>1838272
>Why did Hitler invade Poland?

Because Poland is cute, innocent and perfect.
Hitler wanted Poland as his waifu.

But Poland can have only one (one!) ever-loving husbando: Hungary.

t. Hungarian

P.S.: I love you.

>>1857895

Nope, the lipstick thing and Hitler's fear comes from Speer's memoirs. The thing with levels of consumer goods production is in virtually every book on 3rd Reich's economy.

>>1848027

Yes, Prussia started out as a Polish duchy and Polish was one of its official languages for a long time. It was Frederick the Great's decision to switch to German entirely that made Prussia a German state in the end.

Fun fact: Prussia wasn't even considered as part of the German nation until after the Congress of Vienna.

>>1855303
this is bullshit on every level. Germany did everything they could to reduce the production of civilian goods in so far as the raw materials could be used for war production

>>1857473
just like French contribution in WW2.

>>1858533

Nope. Not until mid 1944. What they did before that was reducing the heavy industry, by which I mean the industry that produces other industry (machinery, spare parts etc). This was obviously unsustainable and would led to economic collapse regardless. At the same time, the German industry tried still to manufacture as much frying pans, baby carts, suitcases and lipstick as possible to retain the semblance of normal life for the civilian population. The decrease of production of civilian goods in Germany was caused by the general breaking down of industry caused by Allied bombing and forestery by the shutting down of the heavy industry (the consumer goods producing machines that broke down weren't replaced or fixed). Only in mid 1944 Germany introduced deliberate measures to curb down the production of consumer goods in favor of military and heavy industry, which however was meaningless by that time.

A little known fact is that already in late 1943 the USSR actually reduced its war production in favor of heavy industry in order to make its production more sustainable in the long run and post-war recovery easier.

>>1858473
>Fun fact: Prussia wasn't even considered as part of the German nation until after the Congress of Vienna.
source?

>>1858575
>forestery

foremostly

>>1858575
None of this fits with what I've read. What's your source? Adam Tooze argues that the production of civilian products were constantly hard pressed, even before the start of the war.
Also, since the germans were very apt to vacuum the occupied areas they could easily lower productions of radios, bicycles and cars. They could just take them from France, Belgium and so on, which they did.

>>1858583
>after the partitioning of Poland the three occupying powers promised to never refer to the former kingdom of Poland ever again.
If they weren't poles, I guess they must be Checks.

tl;dr he is talking out of his ass

>>1841201
that would been even funnier if the man died too