Not sure if this counts as humanities but once robots replace

>useless in every line of work.
But anon, who will repair the robots?

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>will capitalism become obsolete
nah, since prostitution will sky-rocket after all those drop-out youths and liberal arts students won't have anywhere else to go.

>>1837374
Robot repairing robots. Are you stupid?

>>1837365
Yeah actually.
I think the future will consist of humans being out moded and one of two thing Is going to happen (probably both actally and maybe at the same time)
1:Humans will lead a life of hedonism being able to access all needs and disires at ease
2:we will meld with machines increasing our capabilities

>>1837386
So then it becomes a question of humanity is useless, honestly what would be the point of us

>>1837380
>liberal arts students
I imagine that they are actually, relatively, one of the least affected.

>>1837380
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>>1837365
Capitalism won't be obsolete, but a lot of people will.

Two separate phenomena which are often brought up here which no one seems to connect: computerization coupled with an idiocracy.

I'm not convinced that robots will displace ALL workers, but what they will be displacing are low-skill, low-iq workers. It's already pretty well established that only dummies are having kids these days. The need for highly specialized tech jobs will continue to grow, but eventually it may come to a point where there aren't any people smart enough to fill these roles.

will robots pay taxes?
will they contribute to Social Security?

>>1837396
mostlikely like horses and dogs. We keep them around not because they are useful, but because they are nice things to keep around.

>>1837365
Not if we kill them all in a holy war against their devious metallic kind

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>>1837380
Fuck OFF you attention whore tripfag

LEAVE! or REMOVE YOUR TRIP on this ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD

>>1837414
No, itd be more like a butler getting rid of its master. What else will it do if it is made to serve us? Why would it want to do anything else?

>>1837365
Marx said when machines substitute humans in work lines, a paradox will show in which people will still be asked to get a job so they can earn a living. The utopic ideal was meant to draw a future in which all people would get an effort-less income out of the capital made by machines in order to prevent capitalists get richer over time due to their null need to pay workers.

I also heard in the lapse of a year or so, that some academics were already trying to push a law for work-less income since lots of factories are replacing their work hand with robots n such, but idk if the law was approved in any country.

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We already have a thread on this.

>>1836434

Why do fedoras love this meme?

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One of the Greeks said it best,
>Buddhists, Christians, democrats, socialists, communists, anarchists: Precisely because none of them already have the utopia that they are all so desperately looking for, it'd be ridiculous to take their absurd, incoherent ravings seriously, as ridiculous, indeed, as taking business advice from a homeless person.

But anyway, if we assume your utopia will definitely come true, that doesn't necessarily entail equality. Things might just return to pre-capitalism. Afterall, a nobleman and a peasant were not ranked by the criteria of their ability to work, were they?

>>1837414
>we

>>1837500
What greek?

>>1837365
Fully automated luxury communism is our invariable future

>>1837365
>we have enough resources for this to happen
Wew

>>1837525
Anthony Zyrmpas, AKA icycalm

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>>1837365
If it does you can be sure somebody will do something to stop it, even if it does mean nobody ever has to work for a living again.

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>>1837386
but who will repair robots that repair robots?

>>1837365

Automation gets rid of unskilled labour but every time you automate one process you create a whole new class of more skilful jobs, maintaining the machines that replaced the unskilled work.

>>1837365
Capitalism will continue but people will continue to produce things for personal use value or artistic/philosophical works, surviving on extra money provided through a Universal Basic Income. the people would have no reason to try to revolt and change the system becayse of how easy it would be under a UBI system, so capitalism would continue.

>>1837550
This is bullshit. You are assuming that more jobs will just pop up out of nowhere. If machines become sophisticated enough that we have "general purpose" robots (meaning robots that can be purchased and programmed to preform almost any low skill task) then you will only need a small number of mechanics to maintain and supervise them.

Example: I used to work at an airport loading planes. We had 10 mechanics to take care of both the planes and the 60+ other vehicles we had. The facility had about 80 employees on hand during the busiest shift. If all 80 of those employees were replaced by robots, then they would only need another dozen or so mechanics to maintain all of the new machines.
80 jobs becomes 12 jobs.

>Don't worry, my fellow horse. These automobiles won't replace us. We'll just find ourselves in new roles that we can't imagine yet!
And then the horse was sent to the glue factory.

We can use the obsolete humans for biomass.

>>1837595
creating the robots itself creates a whole new jobs, though not necessarily on the same place

>>1837595
>You are assuming that more jobs will just pop up out of nowhere.

No I'm basing this on the proven fact that every single time automation has "destroyed" an industry, it has also created a new class of jobs.

> If machines become sophisticated enough that we have "general purpose" robots (meaning robots that can be purchased and programmed to preform almost any low skill task) then you will only need a small number of mechanics to maintain and supervise them.

Okay. And? Whatever product those robots are making, there's employment opportunities for humans there, too.

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>>1837595

Yeah that's the thing. People can go back to college and become robot engineers, but if all the millions of people that get laid off become robot engineers (if by change they are smart enough and the have the money to go to college), then it will simply depress robot engineers wages until its now considered low skilled labor. Then the robots get smart enough to repair themselves and now everyone has to upgrade their education even further etc etc until the robots finally just do everything.

So hopefully we will have universal basic income then or at least nice virtual reality tanks to keep us entertained until we are sterilized and left to die of old age.

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>>1837624

>Okay. And? Whatever product those robots are making, there's employment opportunities for humans there, too.

What if the robots are better at making sales than humans?

>>1837365
Capitalism is already obsolete

An economic philosophy that only thrives among majority Northwest European descended populations.

>>1837623
Most likely much fewer, just as with agriculture. But I am talking out of my ass, no citations.

>>1837365
I'm very excited about what happens once executive positions become obsolete.

Why pay a CEO $19 million a year if a computer can do that job for free?

>>1837365
maybe you should ask /g/ if self sustainable robots are even possible, the response here would probably filled with socialist neet fags

>>1837623
Why would creating the robots create new jobs when general purpose machines can simply replace all the factory workers? You don't need thousands of engineers. You only need a fairly small number of highly skilled people to work on each project.

>>1837624
>No I'm basing this on the proven fact that every single time automation has "destroyed" an industry, it has also created a new class of jobs.
You're basing this on an antiquated idea of what technology and automation means. Currently automation means a few robotic arms that are only capable of preforming very specific tasks. They are incredibly expensive and inflexible. General purpose machines pose a huge threat to every low skilled worker, not just assembly line grunts.

>Okay. And? Whatever product those robots are making, there's employment opportunities for humans there, too.
Blue collar workers massively outnumber white collar workers. If a major company replaces 10,000 workers they are not going to hire 10,000 salesmen and mechanics. They will hire SOME new employees, but not nearly enough to fill the gap.

>>1837628
I know you're kidding, but that does bring up another issue. Pushing millions of people through higher education is no easy task. In most countries that money will be coming directly out of the taxpayer's pocket, and it will be happening at a time when wages are falling and unemployment is going up.

>>1837657

I'm pretty sure someone at IBM has thought about that. If they could make Watson strategically think and make decisions it could work 24/7 and faster than any flesh and blood CEO could. I don't know if current CEOs would be cool with that though.

>>1837545
Robots that repair robots will be made of organic matter modified to regenerate itself like the reptiles.

>>1837667
>Why would creating the robots create new jobs when general purpose machines can simply replace all the factory workers?

Because you can't help but create new jobs. It's literally what happens when you introduce a new technology, new jobs that never used to exist come into existence.

Jokes on you,I'm a philosopher.

>>1837702
>Because you can't help but create new jobs.
Tell that to the horse once the automobile became popular.
But seriously, what kind of jobs?

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>>1837705
This,robot niggers stay away

>>1837705
>I'm a philosopher.
As if computers won't make better philosophers.

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>>1837365
>humanoid shaped robots based on Greek Ideals
>>1837705 is right,they will need creative people to design them and teach them about truth and aesthetics.

>>1837710
>But seriously, what kind of jobs?

Before there was an internet, what were bloggers and JewTube "creators" doing? Before the invention of the automobile, what did car mechanics do?

>>1837735
>Before there was an internet, what were bloggers and JewTube "creators" doing?
Most of those are from the new generation, no?

>>1837743

Irrelevant, and where do you think new workers come from, Mars? If you've spent your life perfecting some craft and a machine comes along and makes you irrelevant, yes that sucks but thems the brakes and in the long run the loss of your job will boost the economy and provide the tax dollars you'll be living off of on the dole. If on the other hand you are a young man who has mastered a craft and a machine makes you irrelevant, then you're still young enough to take up a new craft. Again this is a hindrance for you but the economy as a whole will be better off with your old job automated.

>>1837692
CEOs have no true power, they're just cogs in the machine of the bourgeoisie.

>>1837788
You might be right. My point was that the internet didn't so much destroy other jobs, and that it was the new generation - who would not be affected if the internet did destroy jobs - found new jobs.

But really, you didn't answer me and told me what kind of jobs would be new. Maybe that is impossible to predict, just like blogs or something. I mean it is possible, but don't you think it is also possible that no new jobs are created?

What I want to know: why is it inevitable that new jobs are created?

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>>1837667
>General purpose machines pose a huge threat to every low skilled worker, not just assembly line grunts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1837832
Yah, the "bourgeoisie." never mind the fact the CEOs moved all means of production to China.

If anyone controls you its the financial institutions.

>>1837848
Nigga, who controls China? And who controls these financial institutions? Who's been paying tens of millions to every major presidential campaign for the past two centuries?

The only people who believe that the robots are going to steal our jobs are singularity cultists, people that got lucky during the dot com scam and convinced themselves they were smart, and normies that are easily impressed by the propaganda of the first two groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXLqImT1wE

In the wildly unrealistic hypothetical scenario where anything can be automated to require no human labor, the rich would be able to exit capitalism because there would be no need for complex economic systems

A man could possess a team of robots that collected all the necessary materials, grew food, built and maintained infrastructure, protected him from the poor masses and so on. With robots, man could produce directly for himself all the excess he desires. Basically, imagine a world of isolated, fortified compounds under constant siege by desperate poors.

>>1837859
The kikes?

>>1837892
So could you give an actual argument why it is not happening?

>>1837735
The internet didn't destroy million of jobs by replacing massive chunks of the workforce. Your analogy is nonsensical.

>>1837892
I'm not sure what your video is supposed to prove. An automated hamburger machine is highly specialized, complex, and very expensive. If the machine breaks down then the whole restaurant is closed until it can be fixed. With smaller general purpose machines a single machine failure does not mean that the whole building has to shut down.

Ideally, we would just live in a socialist utopia

People don't like capitalism because it's the ideal, but because it works given our current economical and societal context

>>1837414
Number of horses has decreased a lot because of motor transport displacement, though

>>1838002

Horses can't vote.

>>1838038
Neither can the poor depending on the country, maybe we'll eat the poor or make them race each other for amusement in the future.

>>1837396
That was indeed the exact question

>>1837606
Humans are incredibly inefficient in that regards.

>>1837365
Compsci fag, won't happen the way you expect it to.

If robots do all the jobs, then we can all have 100% leisure time.

>>1837701
Then why wouldn't you just make all robots out of that material instead of just the robots that repair robots?

>>1837859
>>Nigga, who controls China?
The Chinese Communist Party?

>>1838185
How will it happen?

The way I see it is robot competition will drive down the wage of unskilled and eventually skilled labor, and those who rely on wages instead of robot ownership will find it financially nonviable to have more than one child or any at all, and the population of wage laborers will dwindle after generations, leaving only a class of robot owners.