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Why did the Austro-Hungarian empire fail?

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Why did the Austro-Hungarian empire fail?
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>>1835671
Slavs
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>>1835671
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>>1835671
Multiculturalism
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>Austro
>Hungarian
>Empire
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>>1835678
Kill yourself you're not even funny.
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>>1835708
:^)
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Because it was a multicultural clusterfuck. There's little cohesion between Austrian and Hungarian parts of the Empire, to say nothing of the Slavic parts that absolutely hated the Habsburg monarchs and the Austrians and Hungarians with them. Though there was a single common government organized under the Habsburg monarchy in many ways the nations within the empire were still separate entities with their own laws and customs. I mean for fuck's sake the country did not even have a single common language. Hungarian and German were the most common languages but there was also Serbian, Czech, Slovakian, etc and each region had to have its own ordinances and laws and such in their own languages. Just the issue of language shows what a contentious nightmare the Empire was.
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It was dismantled by the Entente.

>>1835725
>>1835696
Still a vastly superior multicultural empire to the modern European Union.
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Because of the war. The internal/nationalistic tensions and "bound to fail" narrative are blown out of proportion and nothing short of ultra memery. Even someone like the Czechs did not want the empire to collapse before the war, merely a greater degree of autonomy or having a say. But then you got the war, A-H gets its butt kicked, shortages, homefront trouble, all allow for relatively minor but radicalized groups to take the lead - followed by the victorious powers supporting them. To once again use the Czechs as an example their complete independence was chiefly a result of a handful of people rather than some sort of a widespread popular uprising.
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>>1835671
>>1835725
>>1835739
>>1835747


Because of the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 and the sabotage of Austro-Slavism .
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>>1835671

Magyars kept genociding minorities in the empire which led to a desire for autonomy and stoked ultranationalism.
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>>1835671
Nationalism and ethnostates are kinda good.
Austro-Hungary was the opposite.
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>>1835671
Actual Austrian here.
Short anwser: The great war.
Long answer:
Everyone from the german national front and the elites near Franz Joseph did not want to much autonomy for other ethnic groups in the empire. They envisioned the protoversion of Hitler's master race spiel and were very convinced of the fact that everyone but them were subhumans.

Franz Joseph and the crown prince realized at the end of th 19th century that effective government with the rise of nationalism was only possible if you create some sorts of united states of Austria. Both of the admired the US and their federal model. heck to this day, the little country of Austria is a federal state and everyone likes to point out from which state of Austria they are.

Sadly neither Franz Joseph nor Franz Ferdinand could ever realize their dream. The ongoing tensions with Serbia, the assasination of Franz Ferdinand and the war threw a wrench in dream of a reformed Austria.

After the war the treaties of st. germain and trianon basically ruined any hope of Austria ever reforming again ever. Instead we got shitty little states that posed to threat to germany whatsoever.
A mixture of italian and romanian revanchism, american stupidity and good dose of french outcry effectively left germany alone in central europe.

I still think to this day, if austria somehow had survived the war intact as an entity, Hitler and his retards would have had a harder time conquering europe.
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>>1836428
>Franz Joseph and the crown prince realized at the end of th 19th century that effective government with the rise of nationalism was only possible if you create some sorts of united states of Austria. Both of the admired the US and their federal model. heck to this day, the little country of Austria is a federal state and everyone likes to point out from which state of Austria they are.

Is that why he agreed to the Austro-Hungarian Compromise?
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panslavism
suddenly illiterate peasants thought they are SO SLAV they need to keep being the same ppl as the rest of the empire but in a different cunt
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>>1836437

>Is that why he agreed to the Austro-Hungarian Compromise?
Kinda. Obviously a federal state for every shitt ethnicity would have worked wonders but like everything on austrian politics, thingswere half assed.
So you got the Austro hungarian compromise. The half assed united states of Austria.
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>>1836428
>A mixture of italian and romanian revanchism, american stupidity and good dose of french outcry effectively left germany alone in central europe.

Americans were orrelevant as shit in WW1 and its treaty
France and Britain decided of everything
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>>1835739
>It was dismantled by the Entente
No it wasn't. Austria-Hungary had already broken up long before the Paris Peace Conference even met. They just worked out the final borders between the successor states.
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>>1836491
>Americans were orrelevant as shit in WW1 and its treaty
>France and Britain decided of everything
Not true at all.
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>>1836448
Except the Austro-Hungarian Compromise worked directly against any kind of reform, because if the Austrians tried to give any sort of autonomy to Slavs and other minorities, the Hungarians would absolutely flip their shit. So there was really no way to keep the Empire together: if they gave more autonomy to different national groups, Hungary would leave, but if they didn't, those groups would get more and more angry. It was a lose-lose situation, because all the different nationalities perceived things a zero-sum game, where a gain for their rivals was a loss for them.

And Franz Ferdinand didn't support United States of Austria because he was an enlightened reformer, but because he really really really hated Hungarians.
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>>1836428
What could have been. What could have been...
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Bosnia

Every state that had Bosnia in it collapsed
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>>1836428
You assume that only a reformed greater Austria was the solution to German expansionism and ethnic tensions.
A reformed greater Austria were, ironically, German would be the dominant language and many nations would be still be dominated by a one powerful German-speaking state.

The problem with this reformed Austria was that all those states would still be under a Habsburg monarch and still dependent on Vienna.
It was going to be the "United States of Greater Austria" not a "United States of Central Europe" were Austria would be a mere partner among many and not the boss of everybody.

An alliance of sovereign states would have been better, see Intermarium (Międzymorze).
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>>1836448
Except that Compromise undermined the right of every Slavic person in the empire, people who've been a part of your community even before the admittance of the Hungarians.
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>>1835671


No multiethnic society ever survives.
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>>1835671
Hungarians

>>1836538
>implying this division would ever pass
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The jews sabotaged it

>>1835678
Also fpbp, it was basically pan-slavist retarded insanity that caused the second thirty years' war
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>>1836124
t. Tomáš Mäsiar

Show me one instance that can reasonably be called not even a genocide but ethnic cleansing that happened in AH.
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>>1837798
He probably meant to say forced assimilation in the Hungarian part of the Monarchy.
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