Russia Says It Never Invaded Poland in 1939

>>1831454

Luzgin had posted a blog on Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera and Ukrainian nationalist fighters who fought against (and sometimes collaborated with) the Nazis, while battling the Soviets, and, incidentally massacring Jews and Poles. Admittedly, by eulogizing Bandera (who was assassinated by the KGB in the 1950s), Luzgin wasn't likely to endear himself to a Russian court, or many other people for that matter.

However, what really got Luzgin in trouble was writing this passage:

“The communists and Germany jointly invaded Poland, sparking off the Second World War. That is, communism and Nazism closely collaborated, yet for some reason they blame Bandera who was in a German concentration camp for declaring Ukrainian independence”.

Luzgin was prosecuted under a law, signed by President Vladimir Putin in May 2014, that criminalizes "the denial of the facts" established at the Nuremberg war crimes trials, as well as the "dissemination of deliberately false information on the activities of the Soviet Union during the Second World War."

In other words, the Nuremberg tribunals never ruled that the Soviet Union had invaded Poland, and thus to claim there was an invasion is to defame Soviet actions during what Russians call the Great Patriotic War.

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>>1831456

Let's leave aside the fact that the Nuremberg trials focused on Nazi war crimes. Because the Soviet Union was on the winning side, it therefore participated as a member of the prosecution, even though some decried the irony of Stalin's men judging others for committing atrocities.

What's crucial is every history book I'm familiar with says that the Soviet Union really did invade Poland. Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression treaty in August 1939 in which each side pledged not to attack the other. A secret protocol to the Nazi-Soviet Pact divided Eastern Europe into spheres of influence, under which Germany and the Soviet Union divvied up Poland. Poland had not asked for Soviet troops on its territory; in fact, Polish opposition to the Red Army passing through Poland had scuppered any chance that the Soviet Union would come to Czechoslovakia's aid during the Munich crisis of 1938.

Nonetheless, after the German invasion on September 1, 1939, the Soviet government declared that Poland no longer existed as a nation and that such a vacuum threatened Soviet security. On September 17, the Red Army crossed the border into eastern Poland, annexing territory that the Soviets had long considered their own. Their feelings toward Poland would later be seen in the Katyn massacre of 1940, when the Soviet NKVD secret police murdered 22,000 Polish military officers, policemen and educated professionals. After years of claiming that the Nazis did it, in 2010 the Russian Duma voted to blame Stalin for the killings.

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>>1831459

Even when it comes to signing a treaty with a Nazi maniac who expressly swore to rid the world of "Jewish Bolshevism," one can argue that the Soviet Union was cynical but not irrational. After Britain and France had dithered for months in half-hearted negotiations to form an anti-Nazi alliance with the Soviet Union, it was obvious that they secretly hoped that the Germans and Soviets would kill each other and leave the West alone. So why shouldn't Stalin sign an agreement with Hitler to remain neutral while his Nazi and capitalist enemies annihilated each other, leaving the Red Army to eventually pick up the pieces?

Nor is it unprecedented for history to be criminalized. Germany banned sales of Mein Kampf until recently, and some form of law against Holocaust denial exists in 22 nations. Whether banning opinions on history, no matter how hideous or wrong the opinion, actually serves a purpose is another question. On the other hand, while to Americans this smacks of censorship, those people who suffered from fascism might understandably be sensitive to its depiction.

However, it would be one thing if today's Russian government acknowledged that the Soviet Union had illegally seized Polish territory, and then pointed out that the Soviet state no longer exists, and that Russia has moved on from Stalin's day. Yet by attempting to stamp out criticism of Soviet aggression, Russia is essentially announcing that it accepts responsibility for the historical legacy of the Soviet Union.

FIN

Russians confirmed for biggest DINNU DO NUTTINS ever.

>>1831456
>incidentally massacring Jews and Poles

>*kills a bunch of poles and jews*
>WHOOPS-A-DAISY

>>1831462

Hitler was the Jewish bolshevist

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Russia didn't invade Poland.

The Soviet Union did.

The court made the blogger cough up money because not because he claimed that the USSR used the nazi attack on Poland for a land grab with strategic military targets in mind, or in accordance with secret strategic truce. But rather because he claimed that the Soviets started WW2 by invading Poland before the Germans did so on September 1st 1939. When in actuality the Soviets didn't invade until the 17th. He further claimed that the Nuremburg trials laid blame on the USSR which is the dumbest thing I've seen written on this Slavic interpretive dance forum. In short he's wrong and people just wanted a click bait article about those silly Russkies.

>>1831485
>The Soviet Union did.
So the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic did it too, as a part of the Soviet Union.

>>1831485
Germany didn't invade Ru- USSR.

The Third Reich did.

Who honestly is surprised?

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>>1831454
>>1831456
>>1831459
>>1831462
Who cares? Russians always deny their crimes, they even tried to blame Katyn on Germans.

>>1831679
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>>1831473
>>1831456
>Volyn """massacre"""
>not a fabrication with """""eyewitness accounts""""""
Pick one kurwa

>>1832013
You're retarded,

Sources are not only from Polish side, but from all over the world.

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>>1832050
>tripfag
>calling anyone else retarded
Where's proof, Russophobe?

>>1832062
>Russophobe
Oh, so Ukrainians are Russians now?
>where is proof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Notes

Want more?

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>>1832070
You clearly hate Russians and All-Russian nation of slavs, self-hating Pole nazi, the Great Eurasian All-Russian Empire will do 1 trillion times better!

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>>1832070
You are clearly just a brainwashed western neo-naci!
Bпepёд Poccия!

>>1831679
>people won't read the article or this summary
>instead we get 300 replies about russians and assravaged poles.

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>>1831485
>>1831465
We liberated them to Poccия/Russia like KRYM and Europe, London, Berlin + Kosovo in 5 YEARS!

>>1832083
They are against russia

>also claim that Hitler and Stalin made a secret agreement in August 1939

When Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was secret? It's on fucking wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
And it was signed to have russian army some time to prepeared 4 nazi strike (and fuck some finns u dunno)