Did the Mongols commit genocide?

>>1831023
Genocide wasn't a thing until the Geneva convention and retroactively 1939

>>1831028
>Genocide wasn't a thing
wut?

>>1831028
>murder wasn't a thing until actus reus

>>1831023
No. The Mongols were too simple minded to care about such trivial matters.

>>1831028
>hurr durr how can things exist before we name them
literal Jaden Smith tier philosophy there bucko

>>1831023
Were they actively out to kill a specific group of people or was all that death just a consequence of conquering?

They took over those that capitulated, kill those who didn't, took in the best parts of each culture, shunned the useless.

>>1831023
probably more of a political selecting process

>>1831450
>took in best parts of each culture

>burn down libraries, salt fertile ground, rape, steal, torture, and generally shit up every single thing they touch
>took the best parts

The Mongols did nothing that can be considered good.

>>1831023
They did genocide a Chinese nation.

>>1831023
Mongols did NOTHING wrong

You have to take into context that Mongols literally thought all settled peoples were basically livestock in their eyes when you look at what they did. They were almost too gentle when you consider how they viewed civilization

>>1831437
Thr former sometimes

The Qingz did it at times also

>>1831023
should have on the chinks

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>gei-no-xide?
what is this? more made up greek and armenian bullshit?

>>1831032
legally it wasnt

Please their is already a mongolos chain so u can just use that one. No one needs more than one chain please just use the other one this is why this board has became shit
>>1833319

>>1831497
>smashing aristocratic privilege and instituting meritocracy
>instituting universal religious toleration across the empire
>creating a massive trading zone that spurred unprecedented technological, cultural, and material exchange and connected East and West
>nothing good

>>1833414
>smashing aristocratic privilege and instituting meritocracy

they didnt get rid of it they kind of half assed both, and it blew up in their face.

>instituting universal religious toleration across the empire

east was pretty tolerant with religions i dont think they helped any in that regard

you're right about the trading

>>1833414
So why did they massacre large populations of civilians in Persia and China? Or specifically go out of their way to raze libraries, schools, cities, and government centers of places that submitted them?

>Merv holds out against a long protracted siege by two of Genghis's ons
>The Mongols send emissaries demanding submission for mercy
>Merv surrenders and keeps to its promise with the governor doing everything he's told
>Mongols butcher everyone anyways
Yeah, okay.

>>1831028
nigga tf

>>1833775
>notin but raw facts

up the ante

the Mongoloids have had no peers. I mentioned the 1,747,000 people possibly killed in Nishapur. In 1219 Jinghiz Kahn's army captured Bokhara and allegedly murdered 300,000; and another 400,000 people in capturing Samarkand.14 In 1221 a Mongol army seized Merv and reportedly took 13 days to slaughter 1,300,000 inhabitants 15 Historians also record that in 1220 the Mongols killed 50,000 in Kazvin after it was captured;16 70,000 in Nessa, and a similar number in Sebzevar.17

It is written that in 1221, the Mongol Tului slew 700,000 to 1,300,000 people in Meru Chahjan, one of the four main cities of Khorassan in the Northern borderland of Persia. Upon capture the inhabitants were made to evacuate the city, a four-day task. Then they were distributed among the Mongols and massacred. It took 13 days to count corpses. Among those who hid from the massacre, 5,000 were killed by Mongol detachments when they later emerged.18

Also, the entire population of Rayy, a city with 3,000 mosques, was slaughtered.19 Herat was later captured, but only some 12,000 soldiers and their dependents were killed. However, after the inhabitants later rebelled Jinghiz Khan angrily sent his general Noyan against them. The city was recaptured and it took a whole week to burn it down and murder its estimated 1,600,000 people. Many thousands escaped, but Noyan later sought and killed over 2,000 of them.20

>>1831023
No they did the world a favour.

>>1833775
>muh civillians
if you don't have useful specialist skills you don't have the right to live

>>1831023
Imagine a world with 8 billion Muslims.

You have the Mongols to thank.

>>1838397
Ouch, the edge in this point cut me.

>>1838927
i mean if they're related to you or if they're your countrymen then fair enough

but if they're strangers who can't do anything for you why should you try to keep them alive when you can kill them and steal their property, especially if that's what your culture encourages?

inb4 le edgy meme again

>>1838957
Ouch: double edgy now.

>>1838887
Islam is already practiced by 23.7% or around 1.7 to 1.8 billion people. By 2050, its expected to jump to just under 3 billion people if it maintains its current growth and spread.

The Mongols only delayed it.

>>1839009
i SAID inb4 le edgy meme again

>>1838957

>my countrymen

Come on on this is too spooky; it's not even Halloween!

>>1831023
why does genghis khan look so adorable in this painting?

>>1831395
>I use my contemporary views to analyze history.
Good strategy there, "bucko"

>>1831549


I can understand that; germans correctly perceived jews as alien parasites, more like a dangerous animal really, thats why it was understandable for them to round them or or exile them.

>>1839034
Ouch: triply edgy now.

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>>1831596
No. The Qingz definitely targeted specific groups. Namely the Mongols and a submongol group called the Dzungars. The Dzungar Genocide is an actual event in Chinese history.

Qings feared a Mongol Empire 2.0 under the Dzungar Khanate and so made good on their extermination. Since the Dzungars conveniently campaigned with their families it aided the process, though the final blow to the Dzungars was the resettlement of Dzungar lands with Mongols & Chinese colonists.

>>1840264
>Steppenigs fearing Steppenigs.
Oh the Irony.

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>>1840276
>Manchus
>Steppenigs.
The Manchurians started life as a non-Han minority in Northern China (the Jurchens) that united, revolted against the Ming during it's twilight years, and came back and conquered China when the Ming fell.

Their Jurchen ancestors who invaded China in the 1100s were the real Nomads. But ever since they founded the Jin Dynasty, and under the Yuan and Ming dynasties, they have become a settled, sinicized people. In addition "Manchu" was a manufactured identity by the unified Jurchens that really started with the foundation of the Qing dynasty and died as quickly as it rose. By the 1700s only an extremely tiny minority (a.k.a the Qing Emperor and his family) can speak Manchu and nobody Manchu called himself Manchu anymore.

That said, the Jurchens/Manchu have no good memories of the Mongols -given that historically their Jin ancestors were one of the first victims of the Mongol invasion, in addition to the social memory of the Mongols they shared with the Han majority. So they hated them as much as the Han did and considered them barbarians.

>>1840302
most of that information is factually in correct. jianzhou jurchens started farming heavily only in the 15th century. it's recorded by ming dynasty historians. before they lived by hunting

if the manchus weren't so close to mongols, they wouldn't have borrowed names, customs, religion from them. nurhaci even said mans and mongs were more similar to each other like hans and gooks were to each other

lrn2read you clueless american-born southern chinese. my grandfather was actually half-man, you rice eating vietnamese

>>1840347
also manchu started to die off in the 19th century, not 18th. you're off by a whole century

>>1840355
It started to die off by the time Yongzheng made a slip of the tongue and called his realm China.

Also
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_people#Origins_and_early_history
> Nurhaci said to the Mongols that "the languages of the Chinese and Koreans are different, but their clothing and way of life is the same. It is the same with us Manchus (Jušen) and Mongols. Our languages are different, but our clothing and way of life is the same." Later Nurhaci indicated that the bond with the Mongols was not based in any real shared culture. It was for pragmatic reasons of "mutual opportunism," since Nurhaci said to the Mongols: "You Mongols raise livestock, eat meat, and wear pelts. My people till the fields and live on grain. We two are not one country and we have different languages."
Pointing out the similarities between Manchus and Mongols was just to silence the Mongs while they invaded China. The Manchus sure as hell dropped the act when they started working on the Mongolians.

Also, I am German.

>>1840382
China wasn't- and still isn't- and ethnocentric term. While Chineseness is understood as subscribing to Han culture, it wasn't ethnocentric. It was merely the name of the realm. In addition the Mancus weren't out to create some Mongol Empire style "Khanate & Chinese Dynasty" state anyway.

Manchus started calling themselves Han by the 19th century, as >>1840355 has said.

>>1831395
this lmfao

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>>1840382
fine, somehwere between the 18th and 19th century, but closer to 19th

the original jurchens were closest to khitans then mongols, then goryeo and then china based on linguistic influence

original tungusic (represented by the xibo and hezhen on this graph) and mongolic peoples are so close, they cluster together than either to chinese or korean. (actually they cluster closer to the chinese than koreans)

han chinese later qing dynasty plebs records that manchus were more foreogn than japanese, that when japanese delegates visited peking, they felt culturally closer to them than to the jurchens/manchus. if jurchens did not feel any connections to chinese and koreans, they naturally gravitated to mongols, which was the case.

in the beginning they preferred to intermarry with mongols and some northern and western jurchen tribes were so heavily mongolized, southern jurchens called them mongols

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>>1840519
bigger photo. dibo should be daur

>>1839647
A word is a word anon, and words can and do describe things before, during, and after the time of their inception. Bacteria did not suddenly come into existence once people came up with a word for it.