Is control of mentality the highest form of power? Nobody can

Yeah

Rhetorical questions don't deserve their own thread

deleet

>>1816552

The best way to have power is just to make people happy. Nobody rebels when they are content.

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>>1816552
>cultural marxism on my /his/

>>1816552
If you don't know that you are oppressed, how can you say that you are?

>>1817123
>>1817155
This is some 1984 tier mentality. Typical leftist scum.

>>1817155
Marx predicted that the working class will spontaneously revolt and overthrow capitalism. When Marxists realized the workers don't give a flying fuck about Marxism they started inventing crackpot theories like this.

>>1817123
>>1817155
Love is easily forgotten, awe keep obedience. It is best to have both, but rather hard. It takes more effort to get the love of the people, and it is much more easily forgotten. However one must show restraint in fear and awe, for if the people see you as their enemy they will turn their back on you.

I think that's what Machiavelli said, i've read the prince like 5 years ago. I'm pretty sure it's somewhere along those line, something about public executions, but not too often for the prince to be considered a tyrant.

>>1816552
I'm sorry, you were right all along

>>1817123
This, honestly.

People tolerate capitalism because they believe it's the best option for them. Workers in Bangladesh think "40 cents a day might be rough, but if I complain I might get 0 cents a day."

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Gramsci and Sorel are based as fuck.

>>1817127
Posers.

>>1817197
Nope, he believed the progressing forces of capitalism would cause the proletarians to pursue their own interests

>>1817127
>cultural marxism

The more you bitch about cultural marxism the cooler it sounds

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>>1817127
>actually believing in culture marxism

"Cultural Marxism" has improved society for the better. Unironically.

>>1818231
First, explain what you mean by that term. Second, explain how cultural marxism under your definition has improved society.

>>1818277
>First, explain what you mean by that term

Something as real as dragons and broad as your mother's cunt

>Second, explain how cultural marxism under your definition has improved society

Under your definition? The elimination of racial divide, more free sexuality than there's mostly ever been, more free love, more empathy, considering solutions that aren't mass violence

Honestly? Your definition of cultural marxism in the west seems pretty mad rad if I don't say so myself senpai.

>>1817127
Gramsci is marxism-marxism you nog

>>1818277
Cultural Marxism is a buzzword for people who are not rich straight white men being able enjoy lives nearly as fulfilling as rich straight white men

>>1816552

>DUDE GOVERNMENTS MAKE PROPAGANDA TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEM LMAO!

Wow, great insight Gramsci! Fucking amazing!

>>1818222

>it doesnt exist because I dont call it that!

>>1818591

It literally hasn't existed since the early 20th century and the most you could call it was a group of philosophical mental masturbaters.

In fact you'd agree with them more than you'd disagree with them, and Marxists distance themselves because they were mostly clueless.

But you don't read fucking anything at all so why should anyone bother with you

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>>1818328
>Cultural Marxism is a buzzword

>a philosophy born out of critical theory and based on the writings of Theodore Adorno, Antonio Gramsci, and Herbert Marcuse, specifically Marcuses "Repressive Tolerance", and is exemplified perfectly in the modern online annoyance of SJWs

>"buzzword"

>but the "alt-right" a vague general term modern liberals use which essentially just means "someone who doesnt agree with me" is a real thing and a real thread

really forces one to ponder

>>1818600
Cultural Marxism originated from the Frankfurt School which was increadibly short lived.

People, mostly clueless who bought into Cold War propaganda, saw their ideas and immediately linked them to Hollywood for no specific reason, perhaps other than McCarthy being batshit insane and doing exactly what the Soviet Union was doing.

So all in all you're a retard and you're never going to go to a university because you're the potent mix of stupidity and political pride.

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>>1818598
>It literally hasn't existed since the early 20th century

what do you think retards like pic related come from?

You faggots dont even know what it is and just get triggered because your gods name Marx is attached to it. You also exhibit the exact behavior of it and get butthurt for no reason over someone simply mentioning it.

Greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn't exist

>>1818607
>what do you think retards like pic related come from?

social networks

>You faggots dont even know what it is and just get triggered because your gods name Marx is attached to it.

My God Lord Marx has been insulted, I must defend his honor

>You also exhibit the exact behavior of it and get butthurt for no reason over someone simply mentioning it.

I am so fucking triggered right now, my knees are weak, please stop. You're hurting me.

>Greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn't exist

Now this is some deep shit

>>1818603

Literally none of this is an actual response. Are you actually still fucking crying about Joe McCarthy for BTFOing commieboo faggots in hollywood? lol

>So all in all you're a retard and you're never going to go to a university because you're the potent mix of stupidity and political pride.

Nice righteous indignation and name calling, but still not an argument sweet heart. I bet you wrote on your social media sites about what a meany Columbus was on Columbus day, didnt you? Gotta virtue signal to get those brownie points!

>>1818607
That's the synthesis of liberalism and socialism.

Following 19th century ideologies is a mistake.

>>1818613
>Literally none of this is an actual response

I know.

>Are you actually still fucking crying about Joe McCarthy for BTFOing commieboo faggots in hollywood? lol

Sobbing

>Nice righteous indignation and name calling

I'm sorry ;_;

>I bet you wrote on your social media sites about what a meany Columbus was on Columbus day, didnt you?

Tens of millions of post today alone

>Gotta virtue signal to get those brownie points!

Isn't using virtue signalling as an accusation in of itself virtue signalling

>>1818611

not one part of this is a counter argument. Being all pissy and passive aggressive doesnt help your case at all

you can read it all here btw

http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm

play book for SJW and pinko faggots like yourself

>>1818620
>not one part of this is a counter argument

I know.

>Being all pissy and passive aggressive doesnt help your case at all

I know.

>you can read it all here btw

Not reading

>play book for SJW and pinko faggots like yourself

I read books, I don't play with them....

>>1818618

>lose argument

>shitpost

ok

>>1818625
My plan is foiled, my argument in ruins

>>1818621
>Not reading

>I read books

ok

>>1818627

ok

>>1818629
I read books that are worth my time. I don't read books that aren't worth my time.

For example, Twelve Days of Sodom is a more pleasant read than whatever whore manuscript you just sent me, so I'm not really in the mood to read it.

>>1818631
I've become so numb

>>1818633

so you read shitty meme books instead of looking at Repressive Tolerance simply because you know it proves you wrong and youre too proud to admit it?

ok

>control of mentality
It is impossible. People have free will that cannot be under control.

>>1818639
>so you read shitty meme books instead of looking at Repressive Tolerance simply because you know it proves you wrong and youre too proud to admit it?

There is more depth in that meme book than anything someone from the political aisle of 4chan sends you in an argument.

I could do the same thing, and send you that one 100 page rambling of that one guy who shot up some place and it was because Martians who looked like bigfoot but were amphibians controlled his brain and the brains of all to sin, but I really don't want to.

Actually I do want to, I'm sure it would be filled with more facts than whatever bullshit you just sent me.

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>>1818647
>People have free will

>>1818651

Repressive tolerance was written by Herbert Marcuse, not some mall shooter you retard lol.

Its funny how you have a knee jerk reaction to say cultural marxism isnt real when you have NO clue what it is and just act like a petulant child with your petty dick measuring shit

>I-I read books!

Wow, arent you special.

You're out of your element and lost the argument. run back to /lit/ and lick your wounds faggot

>>1818651
That's pretty anti-intellectual desu

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>cultural marxism doesnt exist!

>>1818103
Its the best option, that 40 cent will be higher with coming generations, it wasnt long ago bangladesh lived on 0 cents, now its coming out of poverty, thanks too... Yeah gabitalizm

>>1818704
This is why you can't have socialism until capitalism has spread until it really can't spread any more. People who say Marx was wrong because capitalism didn't turn into socialism are retarded. Capitalism isn't even fully developed.

>>1818713
>cant have socialism til capitalism has automated everything
Marx writings are sci-fi, dude saw industry and thought that shit would eventually create itself, namsayin'
Then de dude wrote communist manifesto which led to netflix and death

I wish Cultural Marxism existed.

Then these annoying fucks would disappear eventually.

>>1818752
He said you can't have communism until socialism has automated everything. Socialism won't work if there are still places capitalism is mutually beneficial and not exploitative.

>>1818298

>Something as real as dragons and broad as your mother's cunt

ngl I actually laughed

frankfurt school are mostly cool dudes, though Adorno can be a cheeky reactionary at times

>>1818600

from wiki

'Cultural Marxism' in modern political parlance refers to a conspiracy theory which sees the Frankfurt School as part of a movement to take over and destroy Western society.[52][53][54] Originally the term had a niche academic usage within Cultural Studies where it described The Frankfurt School's objections to forms of culture they saw as having been mass-produced and imposed by a top-down Culture Industry, which they claimed was able to cause the reification of identity, alienating individuals away from developing an authentic sense of self, culture and class interests.[55][56][57] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a more working class "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and de-localization of culture, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American movie industry. [58]

However, since the 1990s the term "Cultural Marxism" has been appropriated by paleoconservatives as part of an ongoing Culture War in which it is claimed that the very same theorists who were objecting to the "massification" and mass control via commercialization of culture were in fact staging their own attack on Western society, using 1960s counter culture, multiculturalism, progressive politics and political correctness as their methods.[53][59][60] This conspiracy theory version of the term is associated with American religious paleoconservatives such as William S. Lind, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Weyrich but also holds currency among alt-right/white nationalist groups and the neo-reactionary movement.[60][54][61]

>>1816552
You know it friend.

>>1818704
Nope. Race o the bottom Bangladesh will have to compete with the rest of Asia, China and Africa.

>>1817123
Comfort does not equal happiness

>>1818833
>from wiki

kill yourself

>>1816552
Nope

>>1818600
But SJWs are classcucked liberals who think socialism is too white

>>1819817

Cultural marxism is an offshoot of marxism though

>>1820278
The shit you're talking about isn't really descended from Marxism. There's some slight influence from Marcuse, but the SJW new left is all about rejecting Marxism and workers' movements in favor of identity politics and social democracy.

>>1819758
Just call it globalism if you're going to be so autistic. I honestly don't understand why you would deny a concept that is so prevalent in the western world that anyone can describe it without using the term "cultural marxism".

>>1820982
>rejecting Marxism and workers' movements in favor of identity politics and social democracy.

Mensheviks under another name anon coming from a different angle.

>>1821001
No, it's fucking cultural Marxism because it shares the same ideas and tactics Marcuse wrote about

>>1821019
I'm not disagreeing anon, I'm just stating that for the autistic Marxist sympathizers itt that we should call it globalism- one key method it is spreading IS rampant trendy consumerism.

>>1821006
But the entire point of the Menshevik movement was the creation of a democratic economy

>>1821019
It's not fucking Marxism. The SJW left are just very zealous liberals who think capitalism is grand as long as the ruling class is 12% black and half female

>>1821855
You have it backwards, they were going to move from a socialist, democratic economy to a centralized communist. The Bolsheviks simply did not care to wait and deemed violence necessary.

>>1822227
decentralized communist

Bolshies wanted centralization

>>1817123
There's this book. I can't remeber the name, but it's 19834 but ruling with this instead of fear.

The book itself isn't as good as 1984, but the premise is an interesting idea

>>1822256
BNW?

>>1821862
I agree that it is no longer Marxism, but it's how it started

>>1822269
Marxism started with capitalism.

>>1822227
Centralized communism is impossible, communism is stateless

Mensheviks wanted a transition from capitalism to some sort of socialism. Bolsheviks wanted to overthrow capitalism and replace it with state socialism.

>>1822537
Mensheviks wanted a strong democratic element in their socialism. Bolsheviks wanted a strong autocratic element in their socialism.

>>1822233
Publicly stated intent =/=actual intent
>>1822537
Decentralized communism is the great lie intended to entice with faux-altruism, communism was created by self-deemed intellectuals who wanted the intellectual "class" to supplant the working class in democracy, the monarchy, and the indusltrialists, you can find other examples of the same mentality in the Fabian society, albeit instead of total control the Fabians wanted to be the societal guiding force.

>>1822595
>baseless assertions =/= actual facts

>>1822615
>facts

The Mensheviks were successful in founding a state and implementing their policies?

>>1822626
No, so you don't have any grounds to contradict what they said and claim they secretly wanted evil centralized communism, just only after spreading democracy because they felt like doing it for the heck of it.

>>1822650
Nor do you have any grounds to believe them.

>>1822669
>they said things and acts in a certain way, but theyre all commie niggers jews so they all secretly want communist dictatorship and you have no grounds to believe otherwise since im going to completely ignore their words and actions and therefore im right
No really, you're retarded

>>1822693
Please, half of the Mesheviks would leave to join the Bolsheviks including Trotsky.
The Mensheviks only "supported" democracy because they wanted to retain bourgeois support for continuing the war, which was the only real difference between them and the bolsheviks.

>>1822713
Half the Mensheviks joined the Bolsheviks because the Bolshevks exiled and purged Mensheviks.

>>1822745
I know, but my point is they obviously weren't as principled as that anon assumes.
Trotsky would have a hand in making the Cheka, I seriously do not buy the supposed good intentions of the Mensheviks.

>>1822816
>I know, but my point is they obviously weren't as principled as that anon assumes.
If your choices are
1) Not achieve democracy and be exiled and have no say in state communism
2) Not achieve democracy and not be exiled and have a little say in state communism

Which one do you think is the better choice? Why should they be "principled" to no effect? Your purity test is retarded, and many of them were communists first and Mensheviks second. That doesn't mean they didn't prefer Menshevism over Bolshevism. It means they made a compromise. Do you know what that word means? Have you ever had to make a hard choice in your life?

>Trotsky would have a hand in making the Cheka, I seriously do not buy the supposed good intentions of the Mensheviks.
This doesn't even make sense. Are you trying to judge all Mensheviks based on Trotsky?

>>1822849
>The Mensheviks wanted democracy
>even the half who left to join the Bolsheviks
>but the ones who did leave to join the Bolsheviks and committed crimes against the people weren't true Mensheviks

Why is this all so familiar?

>>1822942
>The Mensheviks wanted democracy
Yes, generally speaking.
>even the half who left to join the Bolsheviks
They wanted other things more than democracy and gave up Menshevism
>but the ones who did leave to join the Bolsheviks and committed crimes against the people weren't true Mensheviks
That's entirely up to you to define what a "true" Menshevik is. If being a Menshevik is a requirement of being a true Menshevik, then they stopped being Mensheviks after they became Bolsheviks. That doesn't negate that Mensheviks wanted democracy.

>>1822816
The creation of the Cheka was completely justified to protect the revolution