Why were Incas able to control more land than the Mexicas?

They sacrificed more children

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They had really, really good roads (the Inca were master stonemasons), sturdy pack animals to transport stuff for miles around, a competent bureaucracy that could tabulate crop yields and population data through magic fucking knots, messengers that could relay a message from Quito to Cuzco in a few days, and a network of local storehouses-cum-garrisons to accumulate food, collect tribute, house soldiers, and withstand disasters. They uprooted rebellious people groups under them and deported them to far flung corners of their empire (where they would eventually grow to depend on the Inca). They extracted tribute in the form of food, textiles, or conscripted labor (to build their roads and storehouses) from their subjects. They also forced vassals to send their children and heirs to the capital at Cuzco to be educated in Inca ways (and also act as hostages). They probably would have put up a greater fight against the Spanish if they didn't get decimated by diseases, literally hand over their government and emperor to the Spanish, and didn't have a bloody civil war just when Cortes plopped on their shores.

Pic related. Once a puppet of the Spaniards, Manco Inca led an army during the civil war in Spanish Peru that consisted of cavalry, arquebusiers, and disgruntled conquistadors.

>>1815519
Ah shit. Pizarro not Cortes. Whoops. That's a whole different country.

>>1815519
I would first just like to state that I completely agree with your analysis, as what you stated is the general consensus among those who have studied the Inca, but I would stress (which you point out somewhat) the HIGHLY centralized nature of the Inca for their uniqueness in the Americas. They were THE Stalinists of the early colonial period.


>They probably would have put up a greater fight against the Spanish if they didn't get decimated by diseases, literally hand over their government and emperor to the Spanish, and didn't have a bloody civil war just when Cortes plopped on their shores.

One big problem the Inca had, going back to their centralized system of governance, was the imperial bureaucracy was non-functional without the Inca emperor, making their loss of the emperor at the hand of the Spaniards all that more destructive. In comparison, the Aztecs were far more resilient on that front than the Inca.

Glad to see a non-retarded post on the Inca for once.

>>1816188
Don't forget the bit where dead emperors retain their property and remain politically important even after death, rather than their allies joining up with the new emperor, which made civil wars a hell of a lot more likely.

It's a lot easier to control mountains with everyone bunched up really high or really low than thick jungle with everyone everywhere

>>1815425
>>1815519
/pol/ vs /his/

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>>1815419
All the male children of Cuzco had to learn how to use the axe and the sling, the state even sent inspectors to see if parents were teaching them properly. Military service was mandatory for every male citizen of the empire.
They were good at making roads, and made hundreds of bridges to shorten the distance between provinces, most of them were permanently guarded by the army. The rope bridges were rebuilt every 2 years and the wood ones every 8 years, they also had stone bridges, floating bridges for rivers and lakes and ropeways known as oroyas or huaros. In addition they had inns and warehouses along the roads. All of this allowed a quickly mobilization of the army.
They also had very good messengers runners known as chasquis, selected at the age of 7-9 in racing competitions, key for the communication of the army and the empire, the spaniards wanted to keep them, since the messages arrived faster than in horses, but they didn't pay them enough and the chasquis eventually vanished.
They were good at assimilating foreign technology, for example after the conquest of the Chimu kingdom, the chimu artisans probably the best metalworkers of the americas at the time were taken to Cuzco to teach the inca metalworkers. Something similar happened with horses and firearms after the arrival of the spaniards, Manco Inca quickly adopted these new technologies to his army.

>>1815519
Manco Inca was a badass, he led an Inca cavalry and had spanish blacksmiths working for him, he even stole many spanish black slaves. Is a pity that his neo-inca state only lasted 35 years.

>>1816757
Humans faster than horses, seems impossible.

>>1817980
Horses can't go up steps, so you have to use switchbacks.

>>1815419
>ERAMOS

>>1815519
This guy is right. Based Capaq Ñam (sacred roads).

They were basically like the persian empire mixed with Stalin.

>Submit or I kill all of you
>if you submit then we will respect your culture and religion but you MUST worship the sun because fuck you
>if not you get wiped out
>constant forced settlement of people when shit got real (Tupac Stalin)
>sent quechua (actual incan population) to colonise other lands and spread their culture
>muh roads
>good bureacracy
>limited land distribution (gommunism, Mariategui anybody?)
>state prostitutes (lel)
>some state slaves because they are always helpful, though no massified slavery
>had Tucuy Ricuys who were inspectors, somewhat like secret police
>good logistics
>learn from other cultures and improve it (note every time though, Chavin stone masonry was way better)

Also, remember the Mexicas was some sort of strange imperial alliance with funny shit like Guerras Floridas while the Incas didn't.
>>1816757
>The rope bridges were rebuilt every 2 years and the wood ones every 8 years

Do you have the source?

>>1815419
Why didn't Spain expand more into North?
In the South they had the Mapuche but the North?

>>1818017
No gold in the North. They were busy extracting and stealing gold from the mexicas and incas.

>>1818020
Silver actually.They took the gold from New Granada.

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>>1817980
Horses weren't fast in the inca road, and they often had to be blindfolded when they passed over bridges or near cliffs.

>hella roads
>running water
>standarized military service

were the Incas the only civilization that could have gotten places in the new world?

>>1817980
Horses don't do well in high altitudes

>>1818000
I thought Incas frowned upon prostitution?

nice trips btw

>>1815519
>sturdy pack animals to transport stuff for miles around
You shouldn't call humans pack animals.

>>1819703
Llamas anon. Llamas.

>>1819709
>Manco Inca
Llamas are awful pack animals though. They are just good for wool. Humans did most of the hauling.

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>>1819717
Ignore the green text.

>>1818000
>>1816757
>>1816188
>>1815519
Interesting lads, thanks. Not OP by the way.
>>1819709
Does anybody know why it is written with two times l? (think I will look it up anyway)

>>1819680
Yfw Humans can literally survive anywhere on earth.

>>1819731
Also humans can run marathons faster than horses.

>>1819736
Don't you mean human endurance is better as horses instead of talking of speed? That was the (usual) way we hunted: persistence hunting.

>>1819744
I mean humans can run marathons faster than horses. Marathons are tests of endurance. Horses can't maintain a gallop over such long distances.

>>1815419
Because

>>1819750
Can horses trot at 15 mph for 2 hours?

>>1815419
There are some great posts ITT, to which I would like to add that Mexicas had better foes. Tlaxcala and the Mayans in Yucatán were far stronger than anything that Incas could find in South America.

>>1822792
Idk Mapuches were pretty tough. They successfully resisted the Spaniards too.

>>1822814
>Idk Mapuches were pretty tough. They successfully resisted the Spaniards too.
They were though indeed, but some of them were conquered by the Inca Empire. At that point I guess the Empire was overstretching. The civil war must have been a consequence of this.

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>>1819717
Llamas were bred to be pack animals (even so they are shit pack animals), alpacas are the ones breed for wool. And yeah humans did the hard work like carrying big stones.