Phoenicians: Histories Greatest Explorers

>>1812843
Pseudo historic bullshit just like those "Minoan" ingots in the US, pure bullshit supported by uneducated sensationalists

>>1812858
Wow I didn't know Osama bin Laden posts on /his/!

>>1812843
>abreviated version of the Ten Commandments
sure thing pham

>>1812843
Same bullshit in Rio. As real as Perpetuum mobile

>>1812873
What?

>>1813023
It's near the bottom of the article, the author says if bin Laden ever saw the article he would call the author a fraud.

>>1812843
Phoenicians were known as red-heads back then, so were Hebrews.....

and old Mayan/Aztec prophecies foretold of the return of the redheads...


American explorer found in Amazonas, Peru, a series of figures inscribed on the wall of an ancient tomb. High up in the Andes, in the region of the legendary Chachapoyas, one of the glyphs, the largest and most imposing, resembled a figure he knew to be of Middle Eastern origin. He translated the glyph to say "Ophir," the biblical name of a secret land, where Hiram's Phoenician sailors loaded their ships with gold and precious stones from King Solomon's mines to adorn, in Jerusalem, the walls of Solomon's Temple.
There is archaeological evidence, in fact, that the fleets of Solomon and Hiram of Tyre circumnavigated the globe, sailing from Ezion-geber, a port at tne terminus of the Red Sea, near modern Aqaba or Eliat! Hebrew customs, discovered by the early English settlers in the Americas, were found among some of the Indian tribes, including the wearing of phylacteries! Minoan and Phoenician coins have been found, and inscriptions of ancient Phoenician and Minoan scripts, in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, and the Star of David was even found in an ancient ruin of the Pueblo Indians in New Mexico! In the middle of the second millennium, B.C., and down to the time of Solomon, circa 1000 B.C., oceanic travel by maritime powers in the Middle East seems to have been fairly common.

>>1814344
Source??

>>1814344
Going to need some serious sourcing on all of this, especially given that all "evidence" about a Phoenician discovery of America fails to note that Phoenician ships were incapable, logistically and physically, of crossing the Atlantic.

>>1814438
>>1814415
Prof Google is ur pal

INKARI: The Sacred Prophecy of the Inca Kings
https://books.google.ca/books?id=RXBVAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT130


In the land of the Aztecs, it was the year of the snake, namely the feathered serpent. That was the animal of a special god in the pantheon of Aztec worship, namely Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was said to return to liberate and restore the old ways. Quetzalcoatl was to return from the east, and he had some other special physical features:

Quetzalcoatl was to be light skinned
Quetzalcoatl was to have hair of fire


Cortez was paler and did have hair of fire, namely red hair.

Cortez aka Quetzalcoatl was immediately praised and worshipped by the natives upon his arrival. What he liked most was the gifts of gold and other precious gifts.

Cortez did have hair of fire, namely red hair.

http://www.westmifflinmoritz.com/Honors_Basic_Fall_of_the_Aztecs_How_the_Aztecs_Lost.html


PHOENICIANS IN BRAZIL
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/biados/texts/brazilph.htm


Phoenician Colonization
http://phoenicia.org/brazil.html


King David & Solomon was also famous for his red-hair
and the Jews were also identified by their red-hair


"The Phoenicians, generally, were tall men with red hair and blue eyes–not a Mediterranean people.
Phoenician was not the name they called themselves. Rather, it was a nickname because the word ‘Phoenician’ means ‘red-headed men.’"1

http://www.uhcg.org/Lost-10-Tribes/walt3a-Phonecia.html

>>1814443
>>1814438
>>1814415

Now in The Bible we have a Redhead in Esau ( as in the brother of Jacob) and King David is reputed to have had red hair. The Berbers, for some tribes, along the north cost of Africa have an incidence of Redheads about the same as the Irish, and I’ve had it asserted that the Phoenicians were Redheads…

So I’m starting to get this picture of 2000 BC with a whole lot of European Redhead type folks running around North Africa and the Mediterranean including Egypt

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/ramesses-the-red/


SOLOMON'S FLEET MYSTERY
Evidence of Phoenician voyages into the South Pacific

Here, says Maori legend, the Turehu people, light-skinned, with reddish hair, made their last stand
http://www.beforeus.com/email/article/art2_solfleet.html


The Phoenicians were famed for their red hair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APhoenicia/Archive_2


Phoenicians Inscriptions from Around the World
http://www.british-israel.ca/Phoenician.htm


The Saga of Ancient Phoenician Explorers
http://hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm


Connections Between the Inca and Egyptian Cultures
http://humansarefree.com/2013/12/the-amazing-connections-between-inaca.html

>>1814443
>>1814452
Portraits of Cortes show him with black hair, and the Cortes' account of the Aztecs wroshipping him as a god has typically been disputed anyways.
Regardless, your argument hinges on red hair and is decidedly weak because of it. Red hair is found largely in Europe, yes, but also occurs naturally in Asia and Oceania as well. Even so, in the most abundantly red haired places, the red hair trait still makes up a severely low percent of hair color. Regardless, the Phoenicians were not known as Phoenicians for their hair color anyways, but their dye production. The Phoenix is the Greek word for Crimson/ Purple, both of which were dyes produced in mass quantities by the Phoenicians, and mentioned frequently by Homer and others.
Im not even going to remark on some of your sources, because they start with a basis of regarding Atlantis as not only historical fact but asserting that it was a super continent in the Atlantic.
As for inscriptions, coins, etc I know what artifacts you refer to, and most have been translated a dozen times in different ways, none convincingly, not to mention that most are fakes. The coin argument is probably the best imho, but still is based around a rocky assumption with little other evidence.
Regardless, all small pieces of circumstantial evidence aside, nowhere is it mentioned in any of your sources a plausible theory as to how the Phoenicians ever would have made such a voyage possible. Naval and logistical technologies simply were not good enough to work that way.

>>1814511
>he hasnt heard of the Chachapoya

The Carthaginian’s were of a seafaring Phoenician origin, and it was well documented in the ancient world that the Phoenicians had discovered a great “island” to the west of the Pillars of Hercules. Aside from extensive parallels between Chachapoya and the Old World in art work, cultural similarities still exist. is the dramatic similarity of the sling in both Chachapoya and the Balearic Islands

he hints about European looking Chachapoya: the red- and blond haired “Gringuitos” in remote villages, and reports of early Spanish chroniclers. Dr. Giffhorn was informed by local scientists that the research on the origins of the Chachapoya culture, extinct now for 500 years, had been stuck in a blind alley for many years, and that it was obvious that at least some important parts of the Chachapoya culture must have developed in a distant region.

an immigration from the Old World took place not after 10 CE, but probably at some time in the 1st Century BCE, and that the immigrants found a new home in the Andes of northeastern Peru, at the crossroads of an ancient trade-route, which connects the Brazilian Atlantic-Coast with the northern Andes (the “Chachapoya-region”), and mixed with the native population. There is evidence that at 10 CE the typical tradition of constructing dwellings had appeared in the Chachapoya region – suddenly out of nowhere

>>1814545
http://www.academia.edu/18447243/Chachapoya_Was_America_Discovered_in_Ancient_Times

Chachapoyas in Inca legends. Other pre-hispanic groups referred to the Cloud People as “White Gods” due to their height, blonde hair and blue eyes.

http://www.therightperspective.org/2008/12/05/the-legenday-white-skinned-cloud-people-of-peru/


The women of the Chachapoya were much prized by the Incas as they were tall and fair skinned. The Chronicler Pedro Cieza de León offers wrote of the Chachapoyas.

"They are the whitest and most handsome of all the people that I have seen in Indies, and their wives were so beautiful that because of their gentleness, many of them deserved to be the Incas' wives and to also be taken to the Sun Temple.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/peru/3545998/Lost-city-of-cloud-people-found-in-Peru.html


http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/pbs-chachapoya-of-peru-are-probably-carthaginians-and-celts-who-fled-from-rome-in-146-bce

>>1814545
The cited island past the Pillars of Heracles is a few days voyage from the aforementioned.
South America is months. Not to mention that a voyage to the African coast is entirely plausible, given that a ship can trace the coast and end up in West Africa. Obviously you cant do this with the Americas, and getting to them requires an impossibly long trek through an impossible ocean. As stated, it was physically possible at the time.
But, assuming that for some reason isnt an issue, what is is the false equivalencies being promoted about the Chachapoya. Mysterious does not equate to Phoenician/ European. Yes, they were recorded as white, but then so were the rest of Incans by other famous explorers. None were recorded as Blonde or Red haired, except by misquoting racial theorists from the 17/18/19th centuries seeking to impose racial constraints on cultures.
Archaeological evidence of examined bodies of the Chachapoya find them consistent with others from the region and time period.

>>1814579
>polynesians from taiwan on shitty canoes made it to madagascar, easter island and the americas
>polynesians crossed an ocean 1000x bigger than the distance from western Africa to the Americas
>requires an impossibly long trek through an impossible ocean

western Africa, especially mauritania, senegal, liberia, cape verde islands, is incredibly close to tropical America (Paraiba Brazil) and requires a short and quick canoe voyage. the distance to canoe between these two points in africa and americas would be similar to a voyage from Gibraltar to Italy, trully an impossibly long trek

>>1814579
>impossibly long trek through an impossible ocean. As stated, it was physically possible at the time.

eurocentric inferior thought process

surprisingly this euroasiatic thought process does not yet have monopoly on humanity and is not the dominant form, since atleast the POLYNESIANS were not limited by intellect, strength, courage, and INSTINCT

>>1814623
The distance from Africa to S. America is at least twice that of the pillars to Italy. Regardless, you fail to realize the issue is not one of distance but one of seaworthiness. Mediterranean vessels were not built for long and harsh voyages. They arent built to carry lots of supplies, and they certainly arent built for the rough waters of the Atlantic. A voyage that far from land is a death sentence. Mediterranean ships were built to ride the coasts and stop in towns very often for supplies.
Not to mention, by the way, that a crew sailing into the open ocean like that is essentially sailing into the void and expecting to disappear.
We know that Iceland was discovered because sailors were blown off course from the Faroe Islands. On the other hand, there are little to no islands in between Africa and S. America, with the few in between being both south of the intended crossing point and uninhabited.

>>1814344
>Phoenicians were known as red-heads back then,

They weren't, they were kniwn by the purple color of the mollusk they used to dye their clothes

>American explorer found in Amazonas, Peru, a series of figures inscribed on the wall of an ancient tomb. High up in the Andes, in the region of the legendary Chachapoyas, one of the glyphs, the largest and most imposing, resembled a figure he knew to be of Middle Eastern origin. He translated the glyph to say "Ophir," the biblical name of a secret land, where Hiram's Phoenician sailors loaded their ships with gold and precious stones from King Solomon's mines to adorn, in Jerusalem, the walls of Solomon's Temple.

All this is not accepted by anyone in the academic world, those writings are fake.

>Minoan and Phoenician coins have been found

Minoans didn't use coins

>oceanic travel by maritime powers in the Middle East seems to have been fairly common.

Not only it wasn't common, Middle Easterners such as Phoenicians didn't even reach the Western Mediterranean untill 900-800 bc, before that only Greeks (Myceneans) and Cypriots (maybe some syrians with them) ventured in the Western Med