This is absolute blasphemy.

What is the point of this thread?

>>1810984
Whoever has that idea should be brought to stand before a firing squad

>>1810984
some heretic claimed that iconic white marble sculptures of classical western antiquity were painted like pic related -- death is too good for him tbqh

>>1810960
Is it really so hard to imagine that just like there were sculptors so good they could make perfectly lifelike statues, there also were painters so good they could colour them lifelike too?

>>1810996
What idea? That classical statues were painted? They were, that's a fact. They probably didn't look like that, because those are only base colours without any artistic nuance, but they were painted.

>>1810960
They might've been painted, sure. But the problem here is that retarded historians only picked up the base layer of paint and reproduced that.
Fuckers ignored the concept of layering different coats of paint aswell as shading.

>>1811007
>retarded historians
Don't group ignorant clickbait "journalists" with the historians who studied Octavian's statue. Those poor academics never claimed the statue's colouring to have been perfectly reproduced.

Speaking of Roman statues, weren't the absolute most of them made out of bronze? The marble statues being simply copies made later?

>>1811022
no they were made out of a mixture of copper and tin

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>>1810960
Literally nothing weird about painted statues you retard

>>1811022
Greek marble statues and other Roman works were replicated sometimes using bronze (or maybe as anon here said >>1811139). The problem with this is that the metal can be recast, and often it was when having someone's statue wasn't fashionable.

You can't do that with marble, which I feel gives it a peculiar uniqueness of its own.

>>1811190
Though I can't figure what else would be bronze than copper+tin. Is there a more specific metallurgical classification?

>>1811022
Early on there wasnt a good way to get marble in Italy like in Greece. Most statues of the day wouldve been terra cotta or bronze, probably some other materials too.
Later is a different story, when they start actually using marble both from domestic and imported sources.

>>1811197
yes copper and tin

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Probably something more akin to this

>>1811473
That's not even based on pigment reconstruction, they just colored it like they wanted. They made like half a dozen versions with different colours.

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>>1811558
Well I mean think about it, if an artist was going to paint a statue don't you think it would look like that? I mean this is from the second century ad, cmon man just use reasoning

A good point to remember is that the colored one was reconstructed with modern pigments. Pigments back then would likely have been less vibrant and durable, making the original less garish.

>>1811598
>if an artist was going to paint a statue don't you think it would look like that
No. They had scuptors good enough to detail the difference between fold types, I refuse to believe the painters were so shabby in comparison.
The original paintwork would surely have been as brilliant as the sculpture.

>>1811159
notice the shading though?

>>1812006
You do realise it's only base paint on the statue of Augustus, right?

>>1811005
that's an entirely scientific reconstruction doe, the color particles are fucking there, the white parts had no color so it was absolutely not life-like in its painting

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>>1812166
>that's an entirely scientific reconstruction
..Of the base layer. Do you know how many layers of paint are caked on before a painting is done?
You must think pic related is how humans look, afterall you can find muscle cells attached to the bones.

>>1812410
how do you explain the white marbel then?

>>1810960
Yes it is, Augustus was black.

>>1811003
That's not a claim faggot it's a proven fact. We can use light to determine the fact that they were actually painted.

Unfortunately we can only tell the base layers as any other layers wouldn't have been on the marble but on the other paint layers and peeled off.

But the colors displayed are the base coats with no nuance. It's just a rudimentary idea on how they would've looked.

>>1813489
Marble isn't as white or opaque as the plaster that they used in the colored reconstruction.

>>1811003
>>1810996
It is scientifically proven by examining traces of paint on the actual statues that they were in fact colored.
They also had metal weapons, armor, trinkets on them.

tl;dr you are a dumbass.

Negrocentric leftypol cuckolds BTFO

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>>1812166
>the white parts had no color
You sure it's not white because of a white primer?
Because every other statue reproductions i've seen seem coloured.

>>1815085
Alternative is it had metal on it. We wouldn't get traces of that, and it seems many statues had actual armor on it, for example.

>>1815091
Nah armor was sculpted out of the bronze or marble. The weapons and props were added pieces. You see it a lot in museums.

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Sculptures in the middle ages had been painted.
Sculptures in ancient Egypt had been coloured as well.

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>tfw every historical movie with bare white marble will always hism your tism

>>1815383

I'm going to marry Nefertiti!

>>1815383
>ancient egyptian paint stays intact
>roman paint doesn't

hmm

>>1815085
ancient marble statues confirmed for anime of their time

>>1815892
This

REEEEEEE

MUH au/his/tism

>>1810960
People like colors. They've always liked colors.

>>1815920
the greek and roman statues were often intentionaly'cleaned' of their paint by victorians who thought it was ugly, they created the fashionable tidy white marble image of greece and rome

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>>1815892
Based Rome.

One aspect of the garish colour to consider has to be the cost....it was probobly a statement of wealth and power if you could throw around a lot of solid bright colour, especialy when some of the pigments came from precisious stones and rare minirals(from distant places like segypt, india and afganistan)

its like garish trump-esqe decoration, its not meant to just be astheticly pleasing, its meant to send a message and be propoganda of a sort

>>1812024
So they didn't thin their paints?

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>>1816526
>34 A.D.
>Not thinning your paints

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>>1810960
Pic related is in the British Museum.

I honestly find it fascinating. It's like watching historians debate the interior colors of houses in Williamsburg, VA.

>>1810960
Hijacking this thread to ask for a suggestion on a good history textbook about history of Rome preferably with tons of graphic materials.

>>1810960
I know, Augustus was blonde

>>1813702
>>1815030

Do you guys regularly have trouble reading?

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>>1810960
>>1810996
There is literally nothing wrong with painted statues.
So what if they don't match up with the mythical and legendary image in your head of ancient Rome or Greece? You should be studying them as distant and historic societies that play some vague influences on your current world - not as some deified precursors to the European destiny or whatever.

>>1816751
>not as some deified precursors to the European destiny or whatever.

But that is what European identity is built upon - the dream to return to the cultural glory of the Roman Empire. Why do you think so many people sperged out trying to be the new "Roman Emperor" hundreds of years after Rome fell?

>>1810960
Aren't repainting restorations largely based off speculation?

>>1816766
>European identity is based on teleological pride

good luck with that guys

>>1816821

It worked out pretty well so far, unless you're willing to argue that Europe is culturally worse than any other continent on the planet.

>>1816836
>culturally worse
?
???

>>1816836
There have been millennia and centuries where Europe did not matter or was far from a center of civilization. The rise of the West changed this of course, but the idea that this was "meant to be" is stupid.

Your mythical perception of European history is just plain wrong. This isn't something thats uncommon, ethnocentrism can be found all over the place, but being realistic about the past is more admirable.

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>>1810996
This

>>1816844

Culture refers to more than just Art, anon. Humanitarian principles, ideas regarding law and justice. Of course, if we're to consider the Artistic side, a lot of Architecture throughout Europe has its roots in ancient Rome- even places that were never conquered by Rome. Neoclassicism is a great example of trying to capture the supposed greatness of Greco-Roman culture.

>>1816878

>the idea that this was "meant to be" is stupid.

I agree? My point was that Europe has always been at least partially driven by the desire to achieve the greatness of the Roman Empire.

Just imagine rome in full colours, how beautiful.

>>1816951
If European culture is the rule of law and justice, then the Roman Empire wasn't European.

>>1815920
It's also drier in Egypt, the pigments are less likely to be affected by the elements

>>1815920
Same reason we have tons of wooden stuff in Egyptian museums

>>1811139
>copper and tin
that's bronze you mongoloid

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>>1810960
Blasphemy? This is heresy!

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>>1810960
Made me think of that-
Base colors only.

even if it was colored Romans/Greeks probably were as good at coloring as they were at sculpting so it would look more natural

First they took the horns off the Viking helmets, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not some neo-pagan faggot.

Then they turned the T. rex into an oversized chicken, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a dino nerd.

Then they painted the marble statues, and I did not speak out—
Because I wasn't LARPing Romans.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

>>1810960
Ugly

>>1816155
Victorian historiography is worse. Ruined medieval europe too.

>>1819525
THIN YER PAINTS

ayy

>>1811022
Greece melted most of their statues to buy goats circa 300 AD, so there's pretty much nothing left except what was lost to sea and found later.

>>1810960
Shit just got real

>>1810960
>This is absolute blasphemy.

For you!

>>1815920
WE WUZ PAINTERS N SHIT

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>>1815987
>Pygmalion was a talented Greek sculptor from Cyprus. After becoming disgusted by some local prostitutes, he lost all interest in women and avoided their company completely.
Pygmalion saw women as flawed creatures and vowed never to waste any moment of his life with them. He dedicated himself to his work and soon created Galatea, a beautiful stature of a woman out of ivory. Ironically, the masterpiece of his life was this statue of a woman. Perhaps he sought to correct in marble the flaws he saw in women of flesh and blood.
>Whatever the case, Pygmalion worked so long and with such inspiration on the statue of Galatea, that it became more beautiful than any woman that had ever lived or been carved in stone. As he finished the statue’s features, they became exquisitely lovely, and he found himself applying the strokes of hammer and chisel with increasing affection. When his chisel finally stopped ringing, there stood before him a woman of such perfection that Pygmalion, who had professed his disdain of all females, fell deeply in love. He would bring it gifts, caress it, kiss it and talk to it every day. He brought it gifts he thought women would enjoy, such as pretty seashells, beads, songbirds, baubles and flowers. He would dress the statue in fine clothing, and put rings on her fingers, necklaces around her neck and even earrings. However, what irony that he who had scorned women should fall in love with a woman who could never love him in return!

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>>1824965
>>Such a passion could not go unnoticed by the goddess of love, Aphrodite. She took pity on the young man and, when Pygmalion went to her temple to sacrifice a bull, Aphrodite gave him a sign. As the offering burned on the temple, the flames shot up one, two, three times. Pygmalion went home, wondering what to make of the manifestation he had seen. When he entered his studio, however, and saw the statue, all other thoughts were banished from his mind. He ran to his statue and embraced it. Did she seem warm to his touch, or was it just residual heat form the sunset that had warmed the stone? He kissed her. Did the statue’s lips seem soft? He stood back and regarded her. Did there appear the glow of life from within the marble form? Was he imagining it? No. Aphrodite had given life to the statue, whose name was Galatea.

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>>1824981
>Pygmalion’s mind oscillated between doubt and joy. Fearing he may be mistaken, again and again with a lover’s ardor he touches the object of his hopes. It was indeed alive! The veins when pressed yielded to the finger and again resumed their roundness. Slowly it dawned on Pygmalion that the animation of his sculpture was the result of his prayer to Goddess Aphrodite who knew his desire. At last, the votary of Aphrodite found words to thank the goddess. Pygmalion humbled himself at the Goddess’ feet. Soon Pygmalion and Galatea were wed, and Pygmalion never forgot to thank Aphrodite for the gift she had given him. Aphrodite blessed the nuptials she had formed, and this union between Pygmalion and Galatea produced a son named Paphos, from whom the city of Paphos in Cyprus (this city was sacred to Aphrodite), received its name. Pygmalion and Galatea brought gifts to her temple throughout their life and Aphrodite blessed them with happiness and love in return. The unusual love that blossomed between Pygmalion and Galatea enthralls all. Falling in love with one’s creation and then getting the desired object as wife- perhaps this was destined for Pygmalion. Even to this day, countless people and young lovers are mesmerized by this exceptional love that existed between two persons at a time when civilization was in its infancy.

>>1824994
>>1824981
>>1824965
Honestly one of the only positive myths of ancient greece

>>1824965

Is he "our guy"?

>>1825071

Odyssey ends well.

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>>1824965
>>1824981
>>1824994
>The very first waifufag

>>1825097
That nigga got home after like 10 years of running around and kills a bunch of dudes in his home.

I mean Yeah it's good but he had a lot of shit to deal with. I meant it like Pygmalion just kinda had a simple myth with not much negative stuff. All in all in was a positive myth

>>1816720
anything written by alberto angela

>>1824994
>>1824981
>>1824965

Truly an inspiration.

>>1810960
I like it actually.
The painted version is like the contemporary Roman representation, glorious in its own way but definitely of its time.
As it aged and became more like what we see today it symbolizes how this statue of what was just a man had evolved into a symbol of the sheer power and authority of Rome.

>>1825097
That's because Homer's epics are the only ones preserved. There's, for example, Telegony, in two books, that describes how Odysseus' son that he made during his journeys visits Ithaca and accidentally kills Odysseus.

>>1816658
isn't that early roman terracotta?

>>1810960
>white
>red hair
Muh Ancestors
Contemporary Mediterraneans blown out. Northern European migration confirmed.

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>>1824965
>>1824981
>>1824994

>>1816895
You do realize that Greco-Roman statues were painted originally right?

>>1815051
Wut

>>1825098
Kek

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>tfw there's fuck all large-scale sickass incredibly detailed and well made statues of great people today
>All tributes to events/places/people are either plaques, big random monuments or some abstract modern art fuckery
>There will never be statues commissioned of renowned scientists, politicians or soldiers
again
>Your town will never have a large beautifully sculpted piece in the town dedicated to a the birth of a great person there
>Now you're either on a plaque if you're dead or in a magazine if you're alive

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>>1826789
>your town has a statue of a malformed zaku instead

>>1826789
so are you going to become a sculptor and make realistic figures of your idols, or are you just gonna complain on 4chan like a faggot?
wait I guess I already know the answer to that question

>>1826885
I don't have the skills, time, or resources.

My issue that those who do use them fucking dreadfully for the sake of being different.

Now go neck yourself for your fucktarded "IF YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO FIX IT YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING EVER" argument

>>1826789
which public figure from the past 20 years deserves a statue?

>>1826920
20 years I'm not so sure, but here in Ireland there's been call for a statue commemorating the Irish UN soldiers involved in the Siege of Jadotville, especially now that a movie has been made about the ordeal.

>>1826059
looks more Etruscan

>>1826920
Franjo Tuđman

>>1811139
/his/ the post

>>1817096

What.

Res Publica?
Corpus Iuris Civilis?

>>1817111

On the other hand, there has to be plenty of Hellenic and Roman statues lying around in Egypt as well. Could it be that the Romans enjoyed unpainted statues and painted ones?

>>1811598
Dat ass on the dude on the right

>>1824994

I can't stop associating Pygmalion with a weeb and his real doll.

>>1826789
We get new ones every now and again in england and other places in europe do as well
>>1826920
Arnold

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>>1826813
Are you saying that you don't respect the robot?

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>>1829942

>>1811003
They were painted, traces of paint have been found on many statues. Problem is that they don't get good artists for these recreations, and they just make the colours too vibrant and unblended so they look gaudy.

>>1830081
Then we need no more senpai

>>1811022
No the Greek statues were mostly bronze, and most of the marbles we have are recreations by Roman artists of Greek bronzes

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>>1819592

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>>1811598
what the fuck is that baby doing to the goat in the bottom left?

>>1816658
Would fuck

>>1830159
legit question

>>1824965
>>1824981
>>1824994
This will never happen to your waifu

>>1830159
Son of herakles. Herakles did it with a priestess who was all about Athena and being a Virgin. So when the baby was born it was put out to die on a mountain and a deer nursed it

>>1826789
>There will never be statues commissioned of renowned scientists, politicians or soldiers
What makes you think that?

This isn't the only period in history where statues and monuments weren't being commissioned, and no cultural status quo lasts longer than a few centuries

>>1810960
>REEEEEE, only what I learned as a kid is true! Evidence be damned!

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>>1830183
VR is good enough for me.

Soon (TM), soon.

>>1811197
Copper and zinc for bronze.

>>1831692
thats brass