Which nation is most to blame for WW1?

>>1807203
>Was the war inevitable?
Yes.

>Which nation is most to blame for WW1?
Serbia (and Greece) for creating instability in the Balkans after the Balkan wars.

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>Which nation is most to blame for WW1?
Qajar Persia

>>1807203
Technically the Serb(s) fired the first shot so it's their fault. Just the Balkans in general though are to blame.

This thread gets started at such a quantity that at this point everyone should just have their copypasta at the ready in which they give their POV, because I'm tired of reiterating my arguments every other day of the week.

>>1807203
>Was the war inevitable?

No.

>Which nation is most to blame for WW1?

Serbia.

>>1807250
>>1807240
>>1807219
Weren't the Austrians eager to kick Serbia's shit in though?

>>1807203

Germans. Schlieffen plan was dying to be used to expand Germany.

And yes.

It makes me wish that Germany had won the First World War, then we wouldn't have seen the rise of Hitler or maybe even Stalin.

Less human life wasted too, and there wouldn't be any of that genocide or racialism etc.

>>1807263
True. Although I believe that Serbia supported the organization that the person who killed Archduke Ferdinand belonged to.

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>>1807203
Germany

>>1807240
>Technically the Serb(s) fired the first shot so it's their fault.

An individual doesnt represent a nation
If an American nutjob killed a Russian official, would Russia be justified in invading the US?

>>1807203
Austria for the war.
Germany for blowing the war out of proportions.
I would say that Russia had more to do with it than historical evidence would have us believe.

>>1807219
>>1807240
Did a war happen when the beloved Empress of Austria was offed by some Italian?
But a war happened when some bloke who no one in the aristocracy cared about who became the heir to the throne after the heir hung himself, get assassinated on a visit to a hostile province.

>>1807291
Modern warfare 2 seems to think so.

>>1807291
Yes

>>1807294
The heir to the Austrian throne was killed by a Serbian.

>>1807305
Yes, by a group that had members of all ethno-religious background in Bosnia. I know more about it than you do.

>>1807274
Yeah the black hand was led by a bloke high up in the Serbia army, how had also helped overthrow the Serbia king at one point.

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>>1807298
Amerifats in general think so
In their minds, they invaded Iraq because a Saudi terrorist blown the WTC up and they were justified in doing so

>>1807317
And was later shot for trying to kill the Serbian king again in 1917

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>>1807203
>Which nation is most to blame for WW1?
>Was it the Austrians and Germans?
Yes.
>Was the war inevitable?
No, unless you subscribe to particular philosophies, worldviews or religions claiming that everything is set in stone.

>>1807317
He straight up butchered him and threw him off the palace balcony (to be fair, someone dropped the queen, so he threw the king as well to make it seem intentional).

Did Serbia actually think they could win a war against Austria?

>>1807291
>An individual doesnt represent a nation
They do if they work for that nation's government. If the CIA hired a guy who killed Prince Charles...
No wait scratch that, if the CIA hired a guy who killed a royal family member people actually like, that would be considered an act of war.

>>1807372
They thought their big daddy Russia would bail them out, same with all Serbian wars.

>>1807372
Read the Serbian response to the Austrian ultimatum.

>>1807380
Bad exemple anyway
The US air force could carpet bomb a British city that the UK still wouldnt have the guts to declare war

>>1807263

Yes but they didn't. Had the Austrians unilaterally attacked Serbia then the Austrians would deserve the blame for ww1, but they didn't so the Serbs do.

>>1807429
Isn't it the Serbs fault also for not cracking down on these terrorist organisations?

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>people actually blaming serbia for world war one

jesus murphy you morons.

>>1807450
The Black hand and it's leader, Dragutin Dimitrijevic Apis were a secret organization within the Serbian military, who murdered the King of Serbia in 1903, which lead to a dynastic change, as Serbia was operating pretty much as an Austrian satellite from 1881 till the assassination (tho the murdered king was a manchild who didn't always comply like his father did). The new dynasty was pro Russian.
The Black hand was accused of an assassination attempt on several Serbian officials in 1917, and was also accused on having plans to assassinate 3 more European monarchs, tho this charge was never clarified. They got a swift and not very lawful trial and were executed.

I personally believe he was a Russian agent. Further evident that he was only taken out after the fall of the Tsarist government.
Also, there is no reliable evidence that he attempted to kill the Serbian prince Regent/high command in spring 1917. Perhaps the swift trial was a way to get rid of him and his organization while their backer was out of the picture.

>>1807203
>Was it the Austrians and Germans?
Nope, it was everyone's fault. System of alliances, bruv. If you want to be pedantic, then it's Franz Ferdiand's driver's fault for making a wrong turn.

>Was the war inevitable
Yes. Both sides were itching to fight each other for that sweet colonial clay and for glory, but none of them expected it to be as shit as it was going to be.

>>1807298
Kek

Austrians started it, pushed by Germany. The German race is a plague, obsessed with destroying Europe and anything good in this world.

>>1807524
>Both sides were itching to fight each other

Which is why the French withdrew their troops ten miles from the border, amirite.

And don't get me started about that flagrant Belgian aggression.

>>1807524
>Nope, it was everyone's fault

High schooler/High school teacher detected

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>>1807538
/thread

>>1807203
The Ottoman Empire, for not integrating and then falling apart. This created sudden fresh territories to be influenced or turned into colonies.

The war was inevitable but it would have been fought differently if any of the belligerents had acquired experience from defending against modern weapons in some brush-wars.

>>1807265
And the Germans for botching the start. The Kaiser promised troops to Austria and then went of vacation at some lake, taking himself out of the loop.
The Schlieffen plan was also botched. All or nothing, Belgium, Paris, now. No hedging your bets against a counter-attack. No massing up anywhere near Antwerp upsetting Britain. They got to the edge of Paris but didn't have enough troops to overwhelm the city.

>>1807203

You dumbfucks really show how ignorant you are when you actually think that Serbia thought that Russia would help them in the Word War, when specifically during the Balkan Wars which preceded World Wars, Russia refused to help Serbia and even objected to Serbia taking any new territories, especially ones opening up into the Adriatic sea.

>>1807203
Can someone post more detailed paintings of ww1?

>>1807417
War would be an absurd decision in that situation. The Americans carpet bombing a British city would also be an absurd decision though, so...

>>1807203
I'm not sure if it was inevitable, there would have to have been some point at which the German military staff would admit the ship had sailed if they waited too long with the war(allowing Russia to continue its meteoric economic rise it was having)and that there was no way they were going to be able to change the status quo in Europe by force.

>>1807203
Germany of course

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Germany. It wouldn't have taken a genius to recognize that Europe was heading towards another large scale continental war (Though obviously "large scale" to them wouldn't have looked anything like what WW1 became). They had failed to keep France diplomatically isolated, their key ally Austria-Hungary was nowhere near their equal, and Russia, the colossus to their east was *very* slowly and painfully lumbering towards modernizing their military. If Germany believed that a war was inevitable, it would also be clear to see that they were slowly being backed into a corner. Better to strike sooner rather than later.

That's just my view based on the little I've studied, but I really think it played a major role in why the German Empire wrote the "blank check" for Austria-Hungary.

>>1808194
I should add that I also think the fact that Wilhelm II was a complete idiot played into it just a bit.

It was Germanys fault if they just let Austria, Serbia. And Russia fight it out nothing would jave happened further. They were itching for a fight and knew if they wantes to expand they had to go before Russia was combat ready. The Germans wanted war and got it they had every opportunity to do nothing.

Austria-Hungary. WW1 was justified because it removed Austria-Hungary from the face of the earth forever. Fuck the Habsburgs.

Jews

And Jews started WW2 as well

World War 1 was just a continuation of the proud tradition of Habsburgs starting wars and then the German people turning them into unholy clusterfuck bloodbaths that involve most of the continent.

>>1808259
Jews didn't start the war, they just picked apart the L3E out of hatred for the Tsar so that everything was set up for one.

does it fucking matter?

and yes it was, you can thank the french revolution for that one

>>1807203
Russia for supporting terrorists and playing Imperial games in the Balkans when Austria was in a national crisis and France for backing them.

Austria had all right in the world to act as they did and Germany rightfully supported them.

>>1807203
Britain. No it wasn't inevitable. The city couldn't deal with the Reich expanding its influence into the Middle East thus endangering "Britain's" oil wells

>>1809646
Guten tag, Hans

>>1807324
9/11 was not the reason for the invasion of iraq.

It was because of the UN with WMD searches, links to terrorism, and human rights violations.

Now justification comes into question with the Downing Streem Memo, only finding loose blue prints of WMDs but no real developement facilities. The 2003 call to invade iraq however was more of a political move because of UN pressure and then Bush had to sell said info to the public. Ended up a "Great Success" on the go ahead.

Does not take much to actually finding the actual Cases Belli for Iraq War 2.0 but I have a feeling my fellow Americans are not that much into being curious about subject and take what is spoon fed to them.

the british empire for shitting its pants when germans wanted their place under the sun

>>1807219
>Serbia
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>>1807481
Yeah, Christopher Clark sure is a moron.

>>1807203
>Which nation is most to blame for WW1?
Serbia, naturally, for allowing terrorist groups to exist, even promote them, and for not punishing them and letting the austrians investigate them after their prince was assassinated.
>Was it the Austrians and Germans?
The austrians would have civil war if they didn't push for their own police to investigate the matter and purge terrorist groups.
The germans made an attempt to solve the matter diplomatically, and a pretty good drama novel can be written about the telegraphs and mail traveling the globe from their central, especially in Russia.
>Was the war inevitable?
A war was inevitable, a world war not so much. Greece broke their treaty with Serbia. Italy broke their treaty with Germany. Neutrality of multiple states was violated, as were war conventions and trade deals.
So it was obvious that states can break these, and it was thus possible that this remained a regional conflict between a major player and one of their satellite states. Serbia was very much Austrian domain, and it wouldn't be strange for Russia to let them handle the matter.

>>1807672
>They got to the edge of Paris but didn't have enough troops to overwhelm the city.
... thirty miles from paris is not "the edge of paris"
they also had the allied armies in front of them

>>1810055
>The germans made an attempt to solve the matter diplomatically
you mean by literally issuing ultimatums complete with two sets of answers prepared in advance which - regardless of the response to the ultimatum - both meant war?

>>1810076
>what is the Willy-Nicky correspondence
>what is the Kaiser's pledge plan
>what are the Bethmann telegrams

Like, read a telegram, nigga.

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>>1810083
>Willy-Nicky correspondence
I know that this was supposed to be the effort between Russia and Germany to calm the fuck down but seriously that fucking name
I can't fucking breathe when I say that out loud.

>>1810096
Dear Nicky,
I am sympathetic to your concerns about our correspondence's title, but I've seen it mentioned under that name in academic works, its official.

t. Big Willy

>>1810104
Dear Big Willy,

I see that you mention academic works, but I believe that academically I have no place to go but Tannenberg, then Berlin.

t. Dicky Nicky

>>1807203
I would say that Germany is most responsible for being so shit at building alliances, allowing through other nations to feel comfortable enough to go to war with it. Secondly I would say it wasn't inevitable, but the situationew prior to the warm was extremely unstable and alot of things could have set it off

>>1810109
Dear Dicky Nicky Ficky Quicky,

I must remind you of your proud kraut roots, and that despite being emperor to the Russians you are a German yourself, and have duty towards the Fatherland.
I thus propose its reasonable that you surrender and let the Kaiserreich annex all of the Russias until the Ural Mountains to the east, and I will give you a high office in our government. Let the socialists rule Asian Russia.

t. Big Willy

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>>1810119
>Let the socialists rule Asian Russia.
Delet this.

t. Triggered Tsar

>>1807291
State sanctioned murder is an act of war.

>>1808223
>lol it's Germany's fault
>if they had just abandoned their only ally so they could be carved up at the ententes convenience it would have been okay
Yeah, nah.