Japan has the largest communist party in the world, very old

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because the gommies fear the samurai

Japan has always been a strange exception to many things.

>>1806317
RYUJIN NO KEN WO KURAEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If Japan goes communist does this mean I can finally marry a Japanese qt that will love me forever?

Is there any alternative history book or something in which Japan goes communist?

Haven't you ever heard about the Japanese Red Army.
Brats tarnished the reputation of communism of communism to such an extent that the government never had to step in to discard communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Red_Army

>>1806393
You can find alt-his of north communist Japan. But I've yet to find something of great quality.

>>1806308
>Japan has the largest communist party in the world

Implying any communist party can be bigger than the Chinese one.

>>1806308
CPJ is pretty nice. They weren't following Moscow's line since 1956 Revolution in Hungary. Their ideology is close to eurocommunism.

In some districts they field the only opposition candidates to LDP.

>>1806370
No, they will all be given to the Han. Sino-Japanese unification - or rather Japanese subjugation - has always been the goal of Communism in Japan. More generally it's always been the goal of Communism in Asia but we're more specifically talking about Japan.

>>1806308
Because Japanese commies are very disorganized, and the government keeps it that way.

>>1806493
Eh, no? That's just not true. CPJ just wants to pursue more independent foreign policy than what Japan has no, but they certainly aren't loyal to CCP.

>>1806370

Just settle for a Chinese qt and you're odds of success are orders of magnitude better

Is Japanese communism nationalistic?

>>1806493
I'm incredibly skeptical of that. Communist movements in Japan predate their Chinese equivalents by decades.

Japan's communist party rose in size and power in the early days of the American occupation of Japan following WWII. Communist party members were released from jail and the U.S. actively encouraged left-ist ideals brought by New Dealers in order to counter the conservative elite who had controlled Japan during the war. US propaganda and the shock of loss caused the Japanese communist party to be mostly pasifisct, despite the Soviet Union encouraging them robbed more militant. All looked extremely favorable for the communists and they won a sizable portion of the seats inthe Diet.

However events outside of Japan, the communist rise in China and the fast approaching Korean War, caused the US to fear the growing communist party and they enacted what is commonly referred to as the "Reverse Course". The U.S quickly switched many of their policies to encourage more conservative ideals. The Zaibatsu breaking and land reforming was reduced and censor policies switched. The US used the aggressive policies suggested by the soviets to the communist party as a chance to enact a Red Purge and many party leaders went underground. The communist party eventually did commit acts of terrosim during the Korean War and this made them lose a lot of public support.

The U.S gave the reigns of Japan back to the conservatives and the same people who fought against the US during the war in order to stop communism. This led to the creation of the JSDF and the general side stepping of the "anti-war" clause of the constitution. The Korean War proceeded to save the Japanese economy and the conservative power was cemented.

Although it is valid to criticize the US for upsetting politics and changing their mind so quickly it did prevent Japan from becoming a communist country. And embracing the conservatives allowed Japan to profit off the war and fix their broken economy. Oh and it probably helped create Anime.

>>1806726
/his/ needs more people like you. Thanks.

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>>1806676
>"nationalistic" communism

>>1806820
>implying this isn't every communist government that's actually existed in real life

BUT THAT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM

>>1806308
>How did this come to be?
Because the Japanese Communist Party was the only institution not compromised by the war effort.By 1945 it became clear that everyone else in Japanese Politics was deeply complicit in what was literally the stupidest thing anyone in Japan had ever done.

Then a couple factors combined to make the Communist Party not stupid like everyone else's.

1) The Soviets had broken off contact with them out of fear of Japanese spies/inflaming contact with Japan, shaking of the strict control most communist parties subscribed to at the time. The soviets completely blew up any influence they had by demanding the JCP work to obstruct the Korean War.

2) A mass influx of reasonable people into the Communist Party, who quickly outnumbered the hardliners and steered the party to Japan's specific need.

3) Taking advantage of SCAP's initial enthusiasm for Labor Unions before the Red Scare, they quickly established themselves some gigantically powerful trade unions. The presence of the American Occupation meant that overthrow of the government became impossible, so the Unions had to turn Fordist, giving the JCP a strong interest in the continued functioning and growth of the communist party.

>>1806820

Where does this meme that communists can't be nationalistic comes from?

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>>1806976
idk I laff everytiem

>>1806820
I think you mean nationalistic "communism"

>>1806976
It comes from the fact that Marx and the other founding fathers of communism promoted the idea of a worldwide stateless communist society and that ideas like nationality and countries were just tools used by the bourgeoisie to divide and distract the proletariat. The truth is however that those ideas collapsed upon first contact with reality and communist leaders found promoting nationalism to be an excellent means of cementing their power. Witness how quickly the Soviets switched from talk of Universal Brotherhood to "Defending the Motherland" when under attack during WWII. See also how in China the Cultural Revolution was abandoned in favor of the current party line of "5000 years of unbroken Han Chinese Glory!" It really depends upon whether or not you think the systems used by countries proclaiming to be communist are to different from how its founders created it to be considered "true" communism.

>>1806493
[Citation needed]

>>1806726
Japan never was going to become communist dumbass.

>>1807156
>See also how in China the Cultural Revolution was abandoned in favor of the current party line of "5000 years of unbroken Han Chinese Glory!"

Thank god

>>1806726
>Oh and it probably helped create Anime.

That's the most important part. I wonder if in some alternate history there was another country with something that could rival the otaku culture in Japan?

>>1806807

Thanks! The American occupation is an extremely interesting time period in Japanese history. The first foreign country to ever occupy Japan decided all the rules, controlled the media, and shaped the country into the Japan we know now. The successes and failures of the occupation still have a huge effect on Japan. The constitution of Japan was a document written without any Japanese input and with minor changes still exists as the body of law today.

If anyone is interested in reading on the subject I highly recommend "Embracing Defeat" by John Dower.

>>1807379
more interesting question would be what kind of modern cultural product will china produce if it doesn't hindered by communism, aside from kungfu stuff, they don't have the cultural equivalent of japan anime or korean kpop culture, while taiwan seems to be mix of boths

>>1807379
Ouiaboos.

>>1806726
And what evidence shows that the communists would have taken over without US intervention?

>>1807320

Of course the US was never going to allow Japan to become communist, but had it not been for the US the communist party would have gained lots of power and support within the country in the post-war turmoil that made a perfect scene for a communist revolution.

>>1807451
English people and Russians ate French food and learned French for centuries

>>1807463

The communist party was the only party that had opposed the war prior to it. The turmoil, starvation, and emotional state of the country made it a perfect place for communism to take root. The communist party won 10% of the seats in the Diet and was set to achieve much higher gains the following years if the US hadn't stopped them. Here's a quote from Wikipedia, "due to domestic inflation, the growth of poverty, and the expansion leftist parties, Japan seemed ripe for communism to both the Japanese government and the leaders of the occupation—especially to the leader of the occupation, Douglas MacArthur."

Even if communism specifically hadn't taken over the country leftist ideals were extremely popular and were definabtly on the rise. The US stopped communism but also prevented leftist parties and ideals from taking root. The extremely conservative Japan that we have today probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for the US efforts to stop communism.

>>1807804
Funnily enough, frogs are the biggest weaboos

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>>1806820

>>1806726
>Oh and it probably helped create Anime.
Explain?

>>1806308
>Japan has the largest communist party in the world
You retarded nigger, the Chinese communist party has 80+ million members. What are you even talking about?

>>1808566
*in the first world

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>>1808571
>communism
>anything but a meme in the first world
Communism is the first world is a paradox because according to Marx the first world can't exist. He thought all the workers would be starving to death at the hands of their evil capitalist slavemasters. The first world is proof he was totally wrong which is why his ideology is only a meme for edgy college students.

>>1808599

If communism is only a meme in the first world, then why are so many people becoming reactionary towards the 'elites' and their free trade capitalism system and supporting populists like Trump?

Marx didn't say it was self identified communists that will lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat. Maybe right wing populists are the first step towards communism?

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>>1808633
>yfw Comrade SUPREME Commissar Donald Trump will usher in an era of international socialism via his legendary deal making skills

>>1808599
Fuck?

Marx believed proletarian revolution would begin in the first world, as it was the most developed and had the proper economic base to sustain socialism.

>>1808652
During Marx's time there was not "first world" only industrializing hellholes and unindustrialized hellholes. What is the "first world" now had working conditions similar to shitty Asian child sweatshops in his day.

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>>1808633
>mfw commies finally realize that rightwing populism is the only true way to oppose global capitalism

>>1808552

I mean the occupation in general helped create Anime. Animation is Japan was affected a lot by the amount of American "culture" that came with the occupation. Women started smoking like American women, kids started pretending to be GIs when playing games, and Japanese people began watching Disney movies. Early Japanese animation was mostly an attempt to imitate the early Disney style. Anime today has a lot of features that look like Disney animation.

Actually I kinda have a random theory about why anime still looks so much like early Disney work when Disney stopped making the same sort of animation a long time ago. I believe that Japanese culture puts more emphasis on the perfection of existing methods and less on innovation. I mean at a national level and in all things not just anime. The battleship Yamato was an attempt to improve the battleship to its zenith even if the battleship had already been made outdated by the aircraft carrier. The Japanese still extensively use non-pivoting scissors even when the Europeans who originally invented them stopped using them long ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E7ZYmBYLUg). And Anime continues to attempt to perfect the style of animation originally pioneered by Disney. Even when using the latest technology in animation to create anime, such as 3D CGI, they try and use this technology to look like "normal" anime. The US on the other hand likes to focus on big leaps in innovation but oftentimes not fully perfecting it. This is all my own conjecture however.

>>1807156

>"Defending the Motherland"

And by that they mean the Soviet Union and Socialism. Not Russia, Ukraine, Armenia and etc. In fact the policy was very much to deactivate any nationalistic feels by mixing or resettling entire populations into another republic or in Siberia.

A set of dealings based on power and money worked very well to keep the communists from gaining power and from being able to organise properly.

The US worked alongside the Liberal Party and the many conglomerates which dominate Japanese life in order to:
1) make sure that unions were completely stamped out and thus communists could not organise
2) make sure that huge amounts of donations and votes were put towards Shigeru Yoshida and his LDP

The big fear for most political entities are protests which combine students and workers (this occurred at Tienanmen- and the CCP never allows that happen anymore) and so tactics were put in place to make sure that whilst students were capable of regularly protesting in Japan (and they did, often) that workers could never organise and protest alongside them.

So whilst the Communists were huge, they were never capable of gaining power due to structural prevention by a number of forces in the Japanese elite.

>>1809110
Interesting perspective. Wish the topic of culture and national characteristics wasn't so controversial because I wholly believe the phenomenon exists.

>>1809760

I think the issue people have with national culture and characteristics is that it can very potentially lead to prejudice. Obviously just because the country as a whole may have a certain emotion or direction that they seem to be headed doesn't mean that every individual is going to feel that way.

For example, many middle eastern countries clearly have a problem with their population's view on religion and it has gotten to the point of violence. Not every man and woman from that country feels the same way about Islam or is a radical islamist. However if the countries and region are viewed as a whole there is evidently something wrong with their national character.

>>1806493
t. murrifat

>>1809110
good post